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Might as well get the hype started!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-college-football-preview-heisman-dark-horses-20180814-story.html
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Finley is no dark horse to NFL scouts, appearing in the first round of many 2019 mock drafts. His 339-pass streak without an interception was second in school history to Russell Wilson’s FBS-record 379. With West Virginia, Clemson and Florida State on the schedule, Finley will have plenty of potential signature games to make voters remember."


https://247sports.com/college/north-carolina-state/Article/Ryan-Finley-named-No-3-Heisman-contender-in-ACC-by-Athlon-120484620/
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"3. Ryan Finley, QB, NC State

[quote]Going into last season, most expected the Wolfpack to ride their defense to wins in the ACC. While that unit wasn’t bad, it was really the offense -- led by Finley -- that was the more consistent side of the ball. This year, with just three returning starters on defense, Finley (above, right) will shoulder even more responsibility and he has the luxury of a top-shelf receiving corps led by Kelvin Harmon."


https://www.tigernet.com/update/Vegas-odds-for-Clemson-winning-CFB-title-Heisman-favorites-30662

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"Ryan Finley (QB NC State) — 200/1 "

8/31/2018 9:32:22 AM

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Still pissed about my Daniel Imhoff thread getting locked.

8/31/2018 9:38:48 AM

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Finley only had 17 passing TDs last year. He’ll need to have quite a bit more than that, along with us winning like 10 games for him to be in the conversation.

8/31/2018 10:48:21 AM

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We would def have to come close to running the table. Winning at Clemson and outplaying Will Grier when WVU comes to town will be two big checkmarks for his campaign. The NFL scouts will be deep for that WVU game so if Finley plays well and his draft stock goes up I think that will get him more in the discussion.

8/31/2018 12:57:25 PM

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Yeah. And I know these Heisman threads are just for fun, so I’m not criticizing the thread at all. But as is always the case, we need to be in the top 15-20 at a minimum for one of our players to have a shot. But like you said, plenty of chances to prove it on a national stage this year. It will be interesting to see how he does now that we’ll lean more heavily on the pass game than ever before with him as QB.

8/31/2018 1:23:18 PM

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Rivers didn't even get invited to NY his senior year, when he had absolutely ridiculous stats. Finley has 0 chance to win/receive Heisman votes.

Here's a quick refresher on how ridiculously good Rivers senior year was:
4491 yds (#1 ACC, #2 NCAA)
34 TD (#1 ACC, #6 NCAA) also only had 7 INT
170.5 QB rating (#1 ACC, #1 NCAA)
72% completion rate (#1 ACC, #1 NCAA)
9.3 yards per attempt (#1 ACC, #4 NCAA)

Those last 2 stats really jump out at you. He was the most accurate QB in the whole country while throwing downfield more than all but 3 other QBs (who all had completion percentages 10+ points less than Rivers.)

NC State will never have a Heisman trophy winner unless we win a national championship (LOL) or have some freak running back who runs for like 3000 yards in one season.

8/31/2018 1:29:09 PM

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Yeah cause that State team was like 7-5. That was my point. Unless you win 10+ games it doesn’t matter what your stats are.

8/31/2018 2:13:05 PM

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And Ryan Finley isn't going to put up numbers like that. It doesn't matter if you win 10 games if you throw for <20 TDs.

Also fun reminder, Rivers had 3 different offensive coordinators, this is Finley's 4th year with Drinkwitz as OC.

8/31/2018 3:54:17 PM

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You mean the exact same thing I said earlier?

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"Finley only had 17 passing TDs last year. He’ll need to have quite a bit more than that, along with us winning like 10 games for him to be in the conversation."

8/31/2018 5:01:20 PM

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8/31/2018 5:47:50 PM

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No, because you say that like Finley will actually put up those numbers.

8/31/2018 6:08:52 PM

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Finley has a better shot of winning the Heisman than Rowan does of winning an NBA MVP

8/31/2018 6:38:10 PM

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"you say that like Finley will actually put up those numbers"


So salty you can't even read words

8/31/2018 8:04:08 PM

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"No, because you say that like Finley will actually put up those numbers.
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No I didn’t.

9/1/2018 7:20:03 AM

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Whatever, I know what you said

9/1/2018 9:04:55 AM

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Lol. It’s there to be read by everybody. I laid out what it would take for Finley to be a Heisman contender without hinting at the likelihood of that happening. What a weird thing to argue.

9/1/2018 12:05:57 PM

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I KNOW WHAT YOU SAID THIS SUMMER

9/1/2018 12:36:42 PM

dmspack
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I no longer know what you’re talking about.

9/1/2018 12:37:19 PM

justinh524
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OH YOU KNOW

9/1/2018 12:42:51 PM

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9/1/2018 12:45:03 PM

justinh524
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Dude is still staring down his target. SMH

9/1/2018 2:05:45 PM

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he should've gotten these bad throws out of the way in the preseason games that don't exist

9/1/2018 2:16:02 PM

justinh524
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Just go ahead and give him the Heisman. He's locked it up.

9/1/2018 2:30:09 PM

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Bttt

10/6/2018 1:21:43 PM

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^you are the most intellectually dishonest ST poster. Are you just a troll? When Finley lights up the scoreboard you’re nowhere to be found. When he has a bad game or isn’t perfect you pile on. That doesn’t make you insightful, it makes you a dumbass and no one is fooled by your ”hot take”. We just think you’re an idiot with a low football IQ.

10/6/2018 1:30:03 PM

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EDIT, wrong thread. Hangover from last night

[Edited on October 6, 2018 at 1:38 PM. Reason : ...]

10/6/2018 1:34:03 PM

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^^ nah we don't

10/6/2018 1:42:28 PM

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Look, I don't think Finley is terrible, but I definitely don't think he's the best QB in the upcoming NFL draft like some people think. He's going to be a terrible bust if he's a first round pick.

And the last two games he's had awful first halves. He gets bailed out a ton by the best WR corp I've ever seen at NC State (and it's not even close.)

10/6/2018 1:47:02 PM

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"When Finley lights up the scoreboard you’re nowhere to be found."

10/6/2018 1:49:33 PM

justinh524
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No, I still talk shit about him then

10/6/2018 1:49:58 PM

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I guess I just couldn’t care less about draft projections. It has nothing to do with the here and now and his being a qb for NC state. Even as I type this, are you watching the game? He’s good. He’s one of the best/most respected qbs in the acc, we’re 4-0, and staring 5-0 right in the face. The way you go on about him makes it seem like you think he’s terrible.

[Edited on October 6, 2018 at 1:50 PM. Reason : ]

10/6/2018 1:50:11 PM

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I have to wonder how much is scheme.. He almost never looks at more than 1 receiver, and when he does it usually isn't a good play.. The last 5 or 6 passes at least (maybe all of them, I was in the car for a while) he's thrown to his first read

10/6/2018 1:53:30 PM

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I am literally at the game right now. And I've seen him throw two awful interceptions. Just like I saw him throw a shit ton of terrible passes last week.

[Edited on October 6, 2018 at 1:54 PM. Reason : These wrs would make Daniel Evans look like Aaron Rodgers]

10/6/2018 1:53:41 PM

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are you watching the game though, or just t-dubbin'

10/6/2018 1:54:56 PM

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Justin who's on your watch list to become your most hated NC State student-athlete next year since Finley will be gone?

10/6/2018 1:55:57 PM

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"He almost never looks at more than 1 receiver,"

I've noticed that a lot this game...hadn't really noticed it in prior games. Wonder if a lot of that is BC's defensive backs not having a prayer against Harmon/Meyers in single coverage and Finley knowing it.

10/6/2018 2:00:30 PM

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To be fair, his first read has often been open this game.

^^^^and being at the game is basically admitting you’re getting a worse look at each play than everyone watching at home in HD

[Edited on October 6, 2018 at 2:10 PM. Reason : ]

10/6/2018 2:07:44 PM

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^^^Blake Harris

10/6/2018 2:21:00 PM

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^^ right, which obviously you have to have the arm strength and accuracy to get it there, but thats why I said I'm not sure how much is just the scheme.. Good receivers get open in a scheme made for them to get open, and Finley doesn't have to do a ton..

10/6/2018 2:26:13 PM

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Wait is Finely complete garbage or just over-hyped Justin?

You're all over the damn place with your saltiness.

10/6/2018 2:41:17 PM

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He isn't Marcus Stone bad. But he's definitely overhyped.

He is usually pretty good at his pre snap reads, but he stares down his intended target post snap. This leads to some really awful throws when his primary target is double covered. His pre snap reads + really fucking good receivers lead to a high completion percentage, but he's not a guy who is going to find the open man on the fly.

10/6/2018 2:49:50 PM

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"but I definitely don't think he's the best QB in the upcoming NFL draft like some people think."


Just seems like you’re pushing back against a sentiment that isn’t pervasive on tww. Like...I feel like most posters here are realistic about finely. He’s good. He’s got great WRs. And I’m not seeing anybody here saying he’s a future pro bowl qb. You’re screaming about him not being the best NFL prospect to a buncha people who aren’t claiming he’s he best NFL prospect.

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"but he's not a guy who is going to find the open man on the fly."


Multiple instances of him moving around in the pocket and finding the open man today. Yes, credit to the OL and WRs. But he definitely bought some time to find the open man on the fly more in the game that just happened. Multiple times on 3rd downs.

[Edited on October 6, 2018 at 4:48 PM. Reason : A]

10/6/2018 4:46:41 PM

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Yeah that's called a strawman. Finley's play has been so good that he's forced Justin into having to throw up dumb strawman arguments about Finley's draft position.

10/7/2018 12:41:15 AM

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Is he a top-5 QB in State history? Definitely top-10. Assuming we don't have a couple upcoming months of bed shutting.

10/7/2018 12:51:15 AM

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Terrible interception in the red zone that cost us 3 points, but other than that a solid game from Finley.

10/7/2018 7:46:43 AM

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Even with the 2 picks, PFF rated him as far and away the best acc qb performance this week.

Now the acc is pretty down on qbs right now, but it's still good.

That first pick seems like an overconfidence mistake. I never saw a good replay of the 2nd

10/8/2018 4:06:18 PM

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2nd pick was pretty bad. Totally didn’t see the defender it appeared.

10/8/2018 4:38:33 PM

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"Is he a top-5 QB in State history? Definitely top-10. Assuming we don't have a couple upcoming months of bed shutting"


you can't put him in front of Phillip Rivers, Russell Wilson, Roman Gabriel, or Mike Glennon at this point. Is he ahead of Jacoby Brissett, Barnette, or Kramer? I never got to watch Kramer play, but I've heard stories about him airing it out. Barnette had the luxury of Torry Holt and Koren Robinson to help him out, but Finley seems to have decent receivers around him as well.

10/8/2018 4:51:36 PM

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I’m not convinced that Glennon is definitely ahead of him. But maybe that’s recently bias on my part. Glennon obviously never had the weapons Finley has had. And I know it’s not Glennon’s fault...but outside of like 2 games, I don’t really look back on those 2 seasons fondly.

10/8/2018 4:55:43 PM

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Justin, do you have any statistical predictions for Finley's rookie season with the Giants next year?

10/12/2018 4:42:25 PM

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