Should we be scared?



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10/23/2018 9:56:03 AM

it is going to turn into a shit show (if it isn't already) once they get to our border

no matter how it ends, no one wins


if they get in this country, they just showed the world that strength in numbers is the key

if the army opens fire, fuck

if they all get put in camps, we have to pay for them

if they get sent back to the dictatorship that wants to kill them, well shit


the only winning move is not to play (but the game has already started)

10/23/2018 10:09:05 AM

I think that it is unsustainable to move in a group that large. Eventually, food and water will run out, and relying on the kindness of strangers along the way will prove impossible for thousands of people. The caravan will break apart before it gets to the US border.

10/23/2018 10:35:31 AM

According to Rush, they're being fed by Soros.

10/23/2018 10:53:27 AM

so....mexico is good with it?

10/23/2018 11:02:11 AM

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"According to Rush, they're being fed by Soros."

you still listen to rush limbaugh?

10/23/2018 11:03:36 AM

It’s a story that is being reported in the news. I knew Rush said this and I haven’t tuned to AM radio in a decade.

Also they have a long way to walk. I cant imagine they make it.

[Edited on October 23, 2018 at 11:28 AM. Reason : Distances ]

10/23/2018 11:27:54 AM

If only America knew how to Dodge Caravan...

10/23/2018 2:25:14 PM

I read a Yahoo! story about this a couple days ago. The comments were filled with snarky remarks about how the migrants' clothes were so new and clean.

To be clear, I'm down for the caravan, not opposed at all...but seriously, why are their clothes so clean? Like, we're talking baseball caps with zero sweat stains:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/caravan-challenges-integrity-us-borders/573691/

?

I don't think these folks are being funded in some sort of conspiracy, but it's clear that somebody is at least buying them clothes, right?

What's the deal, guys?

10/23/2018 5:37:48 PM

I listen to them all from time to time. I also check Drudge, WaPo, The Guardian, etc. Just because I don't agree with them doesn't mean I don't have to listen to them.

10/23/2018 7:16:46 PM

Plays right into the "we're being invaded" narrative. I don't care what your position is on immigration, roving bands of immigrants isn't a good thing.

If they actually make it all the way through Mexico (it's, uhh...a really long walk...), I could see Trump actually sending out the national guard or something like that.

10/23/2018 7:39:11 PM

Tell me more about why immigrants are bad

10/23/2018 7:47:13 PM

If they make it to our border....intentions and funding aside....it would end up being a huge humanitarian crisis if we don't do something.

I don't know what we could do, except maybe to erect a tent city on our side of the border and try to sort them out

I don't see how this caravan makes it through Mexico without a number of them ending up as drug mules (not saying that this is the purpose at all, but I bet cartels will try to take advantage). Also, the drug mule thing isn't an argument against the immigrants at all - I don't want anyone to think I'm trying to parrot Trump's "all immigrants are criminals" trope. I'm just saying I bet the cartels will try to take advantage somehow. And if they get stalled on the south side of the border, Lord knows what kind of assistance they will get.

10/23/2018 8:01:53 PM

10/23/2018 8:03:20 PM

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"intentions and funding aside...."

go on...

10/23/2018 8:36:38 PM

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"Tell me more about why immigrants are bad"

I didn't say immigrants are bad, I said roving bands of immigrants are bad. Roving bands of anything are bad, but when the roving band specifically is going somewhere to break the law, that doesn't really speak to their overall respect for law and order.

As far as why immigrants, in general, may be bad, I'm not sure! Ask your average liberal why they refuse to live in the same neighborhood as fresh-off-the-caravan Hondurans and maybe you'll have an answer.

10/23/2018 8:42:49 PM

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"Plays right into the "we're being invaded" narrative. I don't care what your position is on immigration, roving bands of immigrants isn't a good thing. If they actually make it all the way through Mexico (it's, uhh...a really long walk...), I could see Trump actually sending out the national guard or something like that."

Agreed! The democrats are going to use this to call Trump a racist and the Republicans are going to cry keep them out. Honestly, pretty much every country in the world sucks more than the USA. That is why people want to come here and not go to another country in south, or central America. We have to keep all of these people out. If we don't then that sets the standard that we have open borders and it's a free for all.

10/23/2018 9:05:41 PM

Huge chunks of this country are rotting from the inside out bc of opioid addition. There are people whi haven’t traveled outside of their state or even county doing nothing bc the the factory jobs left.


There are thousands of people trekking across multiple countries trying to escape corruption, gang violenve and lack of work. Why wouldn’t we want them??

Seem like go getters.

10/23/2018 10:55:42 PM

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"According to Rush, they're being fed by Soros."

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"I listen to them all from time to time. I also check Drudge, WaPo, The Guardian"

Dude, browsing WaPo and Guardian articles from time to time isn't the same thing as strapping yourself into the Rush Limbaugh echo crazy chamber for however long you might listen. And I'm being generous by leaving Drudge out of the conversation, but it's all the same sport.

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"I don't see how this caravan makes it through Mexico without a number of them ending up as drug mules "

smdh, it's too late for this dude. at least do some fucking research before saying dumb shit like this.

10/23/2018 11:00:09 PM

So this "caravan" is months away from being anywhere close to the US.

Also, it's not illegal to cross a border to seek asylum, so calling them illegal immigrants is completely false. Do people think this group of thousands of people being followed every step by news organizations are trying to sneak into America unnoticed?

10/23/2018 11:02:59 PM

Well we are still waiting for the caravan from the 2016 election -- they move really slow

10/24/2018 6:55:32 AM

Patiently awaiting our “Taco Truck on Every Corner” utopia.

10/24/2018 7:39:11 AM

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"Ask your average liberal why they refuse to live in the same neighborhood as fresh-off-the-caravan Hondurans and maybe you'll have an answer."

lol What liberals wouldn't want to live in the same neighborhood as Honduran immigrants?

If a charitable organization were to place a group of asylum-seeking Honduran immigrants in a vacant house in my neighborhood, why would I care?

[Edited on October 24, 2018 at 8:36 AM. Reason : ]

10/24/2018 8:31:59 AM

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"Ask your average liberal why they refuse to live in the same neighborhood as fresh-off-the-caravan Hondurans and maybe you'll have an answer."

in your head where this happens, what do you think their answer is?

10/24/2018 8:51:17 AM

I just don't get it. It seems like in one breath, some people want you to believe that these Mexicans and south Americans are lazy criminals that won't work

Then in the next breath, want you to believe that they will work and take your job if they're let into the country.

10/24/2018 9:05:56 AM

Calrence Thomas's (Supreme Court Justice) wife posted a pic (from 2012) and associated it with the CARAVAN!!!

10/24/2018 9:42:17 AM

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"Ask your average liberal why they refuse to live in the same neighborhood as fresh-off-the-caravan Hondurans and maybe you'll have an answer.""

While obvious, wanted to point out the opposite is happening. Most cities are rapidity gentrifying bc large amounts of white people are moving into inner city immigrant neighborhoods.

10/24/2018 9:44:31 AM

^ out of necessarity. Take the city I live in, Los Angeles, the house I rent would be $1.4 million and it's a small 1000 sq ft two bedroom on what you'd consider a tiny lot.

In Inglewood you can get more of a full sized house for $1 million in the gentrifying areas and $700K in the not yet gentrified.

Commuting 1.5 hours in heavy traffic or risk crime is the choice.

[Edited on October 24, 2018 at 10:27 AM. Reason : A]

10/24/2018 10:27:01 AM

Renters are less of a problem than NIMBY owners and developers. Nothing wrong with picking the best area for you that is affordable.

[Edited on October 24, 2018 at 10:41 AM. Reason : .]

10/24/2018 10:33:46 AM

I'm just stating the price distribution is $700K to $1.4 million. Most working people that have high paying jobs can't afford a basic house close to where the jobs are, so they find other options either by "up and coming neighborhoods" or moving farther away and commuting an hour.

10/24/2018 10:47:13 AM

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"Ask your average liberal why they refuse to live in the same neighborhood as fresh-off-the-caravan Hondurans and maybe you'll have an answer"

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"lol What liberals wouldn't want to live in the same neighborhood as Honduran immigrants?"

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"UJustWait84: And now that a Caravan is-a-coming to CA, I’m strongly considering a move to New Zealand. You were warned."

[Edited on October 24, 2018 at 10:52 AM. Reason : ^ yeah i don't think most gentrifiers seek out those neighborhoods because of who there neighbors would be...]

10/24/2018 10:50:56 AM

White people are still moving to these area at a rapid rate. Everyone lives in areas they can afford regardless of class or skin color. If no white people were moving to these areas the initial statement would be true. But it’s false.

10/24/2018 10:55:40 AM

It's framed simplistically to try to prove some kind of point about a people with a wide array of circumstances. You should get a job in journalism.

10/24/2018 11:10:10 AM

Lol wtf are you saying. The original statement was about "liberals". Young people choose to live in cool neighborhoods that are up and coming bc they have....cool shit in them! They dont want to live in Pasadena or the valley or where ever your 1.4 million dollar house is.

10/24/2018 11:26:20 AM

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"Young people choose to live in cool neighborhoods that are up and coming bc they have....cool shit in them!"

To his point, that's not the only reason they want to live in those neighborhoods.

10/24/2018 11:57:45 AM

Westside. Plenty of happening places here. I've never even been to Pasadena. $1.4 million in the valley gets a huge house, twice as big as what I'm in. I optimize for low commute.

I'm talking mid thirties or forties people. Those people are mostly liberal too and want places to live and raise kids. No one in their twenties is going to buy real estate in a major metro unless they are already rich. Even if you make $400K or more it takes time to save the money for a modest down payment. The cost is more a barrier than preference.

10/24/2018 11:59:08 AM

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"While obvious, wanted to point out the opposite is happening. Most cities are rapidity gentrifying bc large amounts of white people are moving into inner city immigrant neighborhoods."

The only reason they're moving in is that they think the poor people are about to be forced out. When the wave of gentrification comes, you want to be buying.

My comment about libs refusing to live with Hondurans was kind of snarky, and it actually applies to conservatives too, but I'm really just talking about NIMBYs. Everyone says they want more affordable housing, but even your most credentialed progressive activist will be pissed if section 8 housing is to be installed across from a property they own. Everyone wants more housing for poor people, but they don't want to live near poor people because they know poor people are way more likely to bring crime to the neighborhood and lower property prices.

This may be less of an issue in places like San Francisco where people routinely make 6 figures while living 5 to a house and passing human feces and heroin needles on their way to work. But the lifestyle!

10/24/2018 12:06:19 PM

^ it's a beautiful city.

10/24/2018 12:27:11 PM

There are certainly many layers to this and even if the comment was partially snarky, its still false.

When people complain about "LIBERALS" they think of several types of people. The young " sex positive intersectional feminists" nerds are actively moving into shitty areas and the "old crunchy hippies" already live there. The run of the mill centrist democrat with 2 kids is not normally someone we're talking about in these conversations.

I dont live in LA but the people I do know who live there are all buying houses in Highland Park (kinda nice), Mendocino heights (eh) or El Sereno (not nice). It looks like mad max to me but they like the vibe or whatever.

And this caravan, all 3k of them could move into Jackson Heights or Sunset Park tomorrow and no one would bat an eye. The trains would still suck.

10/24/2018 12:27:39 PM

whats this about a caravan, cant you see that this topic is about urban development?

10/24/2018 12:29:55 PM

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"The only reason they're moving in is that they think the poor people are about to be forced out. When the wave of gentrification comes, you want to be buying."

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"The run of the mill centrist democrat with 2 kids is not normally someone we're talking about in these conversations. "

He's talking about the NPR-liberal types who move into an area because they think it's "getting nicer", who call the police because the hispanics are being too loud at their BBQ & promote legislation that prices out long-time inhabitants.

So there is a point there, but he's definitely got it backwards.

10/24/2018 12:47:27 PM

Person St and Blount St have nothing "cool" on them. Yet every time a house there goes up for sale, it is bulldozed and nice swanky bungalows (or post-modern) houses are going up. The people buying those houses are definitely not buying them for their neighbors. It appears that the opposite is happening...those people are pushing the current inhabitants out for choice location close to downtown.

10/24/2018 12:47:41 PM

Person and Blount are downtown. There are plenty of "cool" restaurants/bars/shops near them.

10/24/2018 12:57:16 PM

This motherfucker really just said there's nothing cool on Blount Street. Fuckin' Brewery Bhavana, Fox Liquor Bar, and Watts & Ward on the same fucking block.

10/24/2018 1:28:33 PM

10/24/2018 1:45:41 PM

When I say Blount St., I'm not talking about the Blount St. under those spiffy condos or whatever. I'm talking about the Blount St as you approach Raleigh from Garner. The Blount St where all the OG are being pushed out.

10/24/2018 1:48:06 PM

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"Yet every time a house there goes up for sale, it is bulldozed and nice swanky bungalows (or post-modern) houses are going up. The people buying those houses are definitely not buying them for their neighbors. It appears that the opposite is happening...those people are pushing the current inhabitants out for choice location close to downtown."

This is literally what gentrification is.

10/24/2018 2:04:55 PM

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"The Blount St where all the OG are being pushed out"

just say black people, man

10/24/2018 2:09:06 PM

Migrant Caravan is my favorite Moody Blues album.

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