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supports changing the filibuster rules to codify Roe v. Wade

extremely credible"


Hell yea. Long way to go but step in the right direction

Look if the republicans get control again they've shown there is no norm they won't violate. Following the rules when there is nobody to enforce them is a recipe for defeat.

6/30/2022 3:29:17 PM

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I'm open to expanding the Supreme Court to have thirteen justices, and the fact that there are thirteen circuits seems like a valid enough reason to do it.

However, there aren't currently enough Democratic senators that are willing to expand the size of the court, and the Supreme Court seems to be poised to prevent that from ever happening.

It appears that the American right has the American left in check, if not in checkmate.

6/30/2022 4:08:39 PM

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"WATCH: Health and Human Services Sec. Xavier Becerra says there’s not a lot the Biden administration can do for abortion rights.

@SecBecerra: “Unless we’re all going to say the word of the Supreme Court will no longer have value, we have to heed the word of the Supreme Court.” https://t.co/yfbp6j7JIO"


I don't know, sounds like kinda enticing!

Also just in general I don't know why administration figures take tv spots of they can't answer better than this. Does this messaging help Biden or the democratic party in any way?

7/3/2022 4:34:44 PM

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If you watch the video, Becerra states that they'll continue to do everything in their power to do to protect women's healthcare. He also has to shoot down an idea of using federal land as abortion clinics, which was realistically a non-starter anyways due to Hyde Amendment and a plethora of other issues.

Becerra is also actively working with DoJ to protect pharmaceutical options.


For the love of god, stop getting your news from twitter.

7/3/2022 5:14:29 PM

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there’s a non-zero chance that he’s gonna get so desperate for approval that he may go to to left to gin up support

which would rule, regardless of how late it is

^ sounds like a great a reason to get rid of the Hyde Amendment

[Edited on July 3, 2022 at 5:15 PM. Reason : .]

7/3/2022 5:14:50 PM

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Agreed, it's up to Congress on that. Biden submitted a budget last year that did not include it, hopefully it goes through this year

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/newsroom/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-releases-its-second-presidential-budget-without-hyde-amendment-includes-critical-domestic-and-global-family-planning-investments

[Edited on July 3, 2022 at 5:17 PM. Reason : a]

7/3/2022 5:17:22 PM

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I did watch the video? They asked about federal lands but he gave a totally mealy mouthed answer and had no plans other than "doing what we can." make a plan, then go on tv.

7/3/2022 6:20:56 PM

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And that's significantly harder to do when AOC/Warren suggest plans with dubious standing like 'immediately open clinics on federal land'

Is that a Hyde Amendment violation?
How do we ensure protection for workers if they aren't federal workers?
How do we ensure protection of patients after they leave the clinic?

It seems like you just hear an idea on twitter and immediately want to see it implemented without considering if it's even possible.

7/3/2022 6:28:37 PM

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My God dude im not even asking for the plan this time just asking what is the value of going on tv with no plan?

He didn't even give a "no" about the federal lands thing, just said "doing what we can", if he wants to shut it down he should say "no" and say why.

7/3/2022 6:31:58 PM

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Just curious, did you actually watch the entire interview or just the easily digestible soundbite on twitter?

7/3/2022 6:38:50 PM

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" Is that a Hyde Amendment violation? "


who gives a fuck?

just finished a great book on the Freedom Summer/Movement of the 60’s. you know how many laws that were on the books that they broke?

all of these “well actually’s” look so fucking bad in the context of what’s at stake

[Edited on July 3, 2022 at 6:43 PM. Reason : .]

7/3/2022 6:41:59 PM

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Alright, if it's that easy, please provide me an actual plan that AOC/Warren has put forth that's more than a sentence of details of how to protect women, employees, and build these clinics.

7/3/2022 6:45:11 PM

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^^^The whole thing, unfortunately


Oh no the entire executive administration and 95% congressional Dems are being bullied by aoc and Warren! Kinda sad that two people can out publicity 100s.

AOC and Warren are not innocent btw. Their "soundbites" are more than anyone else has had though.

[Edited on July 3, 2022 at 6:56 PM. Reason : R]

7/3/2022 6:53:41 PM

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That's patently untrue.

HHS has set up a website to steer people towards their options and resources to get abortions.

HHS is working with DOJ to figure out a comprehensive way to protect access to drugs (mail order and other avenues)

Biden's budget doesn't include the Amendment

Biden said he support codifying and removal of the filibuster to do so.

HHS and Labor are working with insurers to ensure access to contraception/make sure they're following the ACA.

HHS has said they're working to provide travel option to women seeking care.

etc.

Yes, it's not perfect, but it's way more than a soundbite. If AOC and Warren have better plans, THEY NEED TO SHARE THEM. All the details don't need to be fleshed out, but it sure as hell needs to be more than a sentence or two.

7/3/2022 7:01:47 PM

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Here's a personal thought, I'm no wonk so maybe a pipe dream: but congressional leaders and Biden whip 48 members of senate to come out loudly and publicly that if we get 52,they'll vote to overturn the filibuster and codify Roe. Then fundraise on THAT.

7/3/2022 7:02:44 PM

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And again, I don't think you realize how damaging it is for AOC or any Dem figurehead, to say "Biden is historically weak on abortion" and then just give a quick idea that isn't rooted in reality.

It depresses the voter turnout for 2022. Dems need to be absolutely lockstep and attack Republicans on this. AOC/Warren/The governor of a deep blue state doesn't like what Biden is doing? FINE, introduce your own plan, lay out specifics, introduce legislation, do something.

7/3/2022 7:05:00 PM

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can’t hurt the fee fees of elected officials because it’ll turn away voters, even though there’s no data to support that claim

7/3/2022 7:10:44 PM

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Depression is one of the biggest predictors of absenteeism at the polls. If you don't think infighting in the party causes that, I don't know what to tell you.


Also, it's not hurting the feelings of the officials, it's riling up their base against that official despite being on relatively the same side, which again, hurts voter turnout.



[Edited on July 3, 2022 at 7:25 PM. Reason : a]

7/3/2022 7:13:46 PM

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rwoody, since I answer all of your questions, answer this one of mine.

AOC attacking Biden for being weak on abortion (despite it being false) and presenting a soundbite plan that's likely unrealistic does which of the following
A: Increases voter turnout in 2022
B: Depresses voter turnout in 2022
C: Has no impact on voter turnout in 2022 but increases fundraising numbers for AOC
D: Has no impact on voter turnout, no impact on fundraising.

7/3/2022 7:28:14 PM

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I don't think I ask you many questions, I'm usually responding to you lol. TSB would be fairly dead without me posting something and you shitting on it, one benefit of our arguments.

That said, without agreeing in whole with the 'facts' of the question, I think today it would be B or C.

If there are no major steps or promises bw now and November, just B.



^x6? Gotta get dinner but I'll try to come back to the list of 'actions', although I did praise coming out in favor of ditching the filibuster

[Edited on July 3, 2022 at 7:44 PM. Reason : E]

7/3/2022 7:43:32 PM

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And that's the thing, ideas getting mainstream attention like impeachment or abortion clinics on federal land raises expectations, so no matter what Biden does, a lot will see it as not enough and it'll depress turnout.

If Biden had the power or capability to do some of these things, I'd 100% be calling for it, but he doesn't. Too many people just don't have a good understanding of how our government works.

7/4/2022 1:45:53 PM

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In this case I'm only getting my news from Twitter and haven't had a chance to read the details,but towards what bbehe mentioned I suppose. I'll give a preemptive +1 cred until I read more
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"Today I signed an Executive Order to protect the reproductive rights of women in the aftermath of the Supreme Court's extreme decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.

It formalizes the actions I announced right after the decision and will add new measures to protect women's health. https://t.co/cujWTnxKvw
"


[Edited on July 8, 2022 at 3:12 PM. Reason : E]

7/8/2022 3:10:19 PM

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https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1545441526133788673

This must be one of those situations where if you dislike President Biden, you don't hear him say, "let me repeat," but if you like President Biden, you do hear him say, "let me repeat."

Personally, I think that he says it but that he just fumbles saying it. Why would someone put, "Repeat the line," in a teleprompter? They would just put, "Let me repeat," and then repeat the line.

Also, "end of quote," is a fairly common thing that people say.

[Edited on July 8, 2022 at 7:52 PM. Reason : ]

7/8/2022 7:52:01 PM

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well, the inflation report was just spectacular. not saying its his fault or he can do anything about it but...

if this keeps up no amount of abortion or jan6 hearings will change the bloodbath. especially not with the usual progressives bickering and octogenarians doing whatever they do.

EDIT: sorry if this isnt particularly helpful... i just think democrats need to elevate basically everything to "four alarm fire" levels. i am not really getting an urgent vibe here, things are bad, dont give republicans the chance to make them worse.

[Edited on July 13, 2022 at 4:30 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2022 4:28:06 PM

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Remember when Trump demanded the Fed set negative interest rates?

7/13/2022 8:00:27 PM

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"I love the poorly educated!"

7/14/2022 8:27:21 AM

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remember on cinco de mayo when he said trump tower had the best breakfast tacos

7/14/2022 10:50:24 AM

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Is Pupils really trying to explain away Biden's reading of the teleprompter queues?

7/14/2022 11:13:49 AM

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yes but it doesn't really matter does it?

7/14/2022 11:49:19 AM

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You think it makes sense to put "Repeat the line" in the teleprompter and not just have the line appear twice?

I've never read from a teleprompter, so I don't know what the standard protocol is, but I would think that entering cues like that would tend to be avoided for this exact reason.

7/14/2022 2:01:49 PM

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it makes much more since that a man with a history of stuttering would fumble the phrase, “let me repeat the line”

hilarious that our resident teleprompter cop has decided to return to the force

as has been said, this doesn’t matter at all

7/14/2022 2:06:07 PM

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I agree that it doesn't matter. I was mostly intrigued by people's reactions to it.

7/14/2022 2:17:08 PM

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/abc-mexico-pay-15-billion-us-border-security/story

Really can't decide how to feel about this one. First instinct is to laugh at Trump but then the "ah our wonderful dystopia" feelings come back in.

7/15/2022 6:54:40 AM

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Why would you be against border security?

7/15/2022 7:07:06 AM

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^^Link is broken for me.

7/15/2022 7:31:46 AM

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/abc-mexico-pay-15-billion-us-border-security/story?id=86672772

Is the correct one. The tl:dr is Mexico agreed to help contribute to infrastructure modernization to allow for security upgrades, more modern processing stations, etc.

Just because you want a secure border, doesn't mean you're anti-immigration. This isn't a stupid wall that would never have worked.

7/15/2022 7:59:55 AM

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Wait, so you're saying that Trump, in the end, really did get Mexico to pay? Lol.

7/15/2022 10:34:22 AM

rwoody
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No I'm saying Biden did, in a way, what Trump couldn't. Although better spend it before 2024 or it could be going right back to the wall

7/15/2022 11:49:38 AM

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So who here thinks Newsom will primary Biden?

7/15/2022 12:54:43 PM

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I'd still be (somewhat) surprised if Biden is even a candidate. I hope not.

even before this inflation, which I'm not saying is entirely his fault or even that there's too much that he can do about it. But now that it seems it's going to be a huge thing, i really don't see how he could win a re-election, and if he wins the nomination, it's going to result in an easy republican victory

[Edited on July 15, 2022 at 1:52 PM. Reason : ]

7/15/2022 1:31:10 PM

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"When asked by this reporter what his message was to Democrats who do not want him to run again, Biden replied, "They want me to run."

"Read the polls," he responded, fired up and changing direction. "Read the polls, Jack. You guys are all the same. That poll showed that 92% of Democrats, if I ran, would vote for me."

This reporter pointed out that most Democrats surveyed did, in fact, say they wanted someone else to run.

"But 92% said if I did, they'd vote for me," Biden shot back, before walking away.

The president told ABC News in December he plans to run for reelection. "If I'm in the health I'm in now -- from a good health, and, in fact, I would run again," he said then."

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/biden-pressure-party-fires-back-2024-questions-persist/story?id=86824997

7/15/2022 2:05:40 PM

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reminds me of that line in Spaceballs, i think it goes, "evil always wins... because good is dumb."

7/15/2022 3:16:37 PM

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Biden isn't going to make himself a lame duck before the midterms.

7/15/2022 5:02:38 PM

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^

Seriously, it's not a hard concept, the accepted calculus is if there is an announcement, it would be after midterms

7/15/2022 6:27:23 PM

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"So who here thinks Newsom will primary Biden?"


What about Kimberly Guilfoyle and his previous affairs? Seems like a liability. Unless you are Trump, in which case apparently that makes you more popular with a certain class of shit people?

7/15/2022 6:46:42 PM

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It's really hard for me to imagine a serious challenge to Biden since Dem primaries aren't winner take all. For someone like Newsom, it seems like he'd be better waiting for 2028

7/15/2022 7:30:09 PM

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fist bump the crown prince is a good look.

7/15/2022 7:57:48 PM

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Good sentiment, hopefully followed up by like actions

[Edited on July 16, 2022 at 11:42 AM. Reason : E]

7/16/2022 11:42:16 AM

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"fist bump the crown prince is a good look."


I'm going to choose to think of the fist bump like this:

7/16/2022 1:56:17 PM

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[quote] he'd be better waiting for 2028[quote]

By 2028 there won’t be much left.

7/17/2022 10:04:09 AM

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