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^Thank goodness! It was stupid.

5/3/2019 8:06:04 AM

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i wish they could so something similar to f1 but it wouldn't work for twice as many cars on tracks less than half as long. australian supercars also uses the 3 round qualifying but they also have fewer cars and longer tracks.

5/3/2019 8:46:43 AM

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F1 has always had group qualifying. It used to be an hour-long single session where for the first 20 minutes the only cars that would come out were a couple no-hopers. ("IT COULD RAIN!")

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""NASCAR remains adamantly opposed to a return to single-car qualifying.

“One of the things we wanted to hold true to is not to go back to single-car qualifying,” [NASCAR Senior Vice President of Competition Scott] Miller said. “Single-car qualifying is two things – it’s boring and it’s expensive. It also doesn’t create a good show.”""


I guess in a month they were unable to come up with a good solution that the racers wouldn't just game to do the same thing.

[Edited on May 3, 2019 at 1:10 PM. Reason : /]

5/3/2019 1:08:28 PM

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If they want qualifying to create a good show, make up more fuckass weird rules. Have 2 seater cars where a crew member turns a lap and the driver turns a lap. Or make the crew chief run from one end of pit road to the other with a beer helmet on and the car cant turn a lap till the run and beer is finished. I mean...if its about the show now and not the racing, then lets make it a real fucking show WWE style

5/4/2019 5:14:50 PM

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Saw on Twitter that Tanner Gray won his first k&n east race of the season at South Boston tonight.

5/4/2019 10:48:51 PM

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So two of the cars that were sent to the back for failing inspection finished 1-2 today and were the class of the field.........

5/6/2019 4:17:20 PM

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Did they not pass inspection?

5/6/2019 6:36:04 PM

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^he means failed first attempt

i was off work today and watched dover. was a snoozer



[Edited on May 6, 2019 at 7:05 PM. Reason : s]

5/6/2019 7:04:31 PM

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I know what he meant. It's irrelevant. They passed inspection.

5/7/2019 6:28:17 AM

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Just pointing out how funny that in the last 10 laps the only two cars that could stay within 10 seconds of each other were the 2 that failed inspection before the race

5/7/2019 6:47:52 AM

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I'm just pointing out that they also passed inspection before the race. Folks read into this inspection bullshit too much. Everyone is pushing the limits. If I was a team owner, I would doubt my engineers if my car never failed a pre-race inspection.

I guess I just like the limit-pushing and flat out cheating aspect of motorsports. Everyone else wants to see some IROC lameness.

[Edited on May 7, 2019 at 8:00 AM. Reason : Db]

5/7/2019 7:58:31 AM

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Cooper Webb took 3rd Saturday night in Las Vegas and clinched the Supercross 450 title.

He was at the press conference, and someone asked him if he was concerned about bungling it like the rider in the race before him did. Adam Cianciarulo was the points leader and running 3rd when with a few minutes to go he got sideways off a jump, wrecked, and bent his bike frame to the point he couldn't go fast anymore. Wound up finishing 20th and lost the 250 West title. Webb has always had a brashness to him and replied, "No. He cracked. I didn't."

[Edited on May 7, 2019 at 10:45 AM. Reason : .]

5/7/2019 10:30:01 AM

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No pit road speed limit qualifying tonight!

5/17/2019 11:12:34 AM

Flyin Ryan
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Alonso may have problems qualifying for Indy. He crashed Wednesday, they had to go to the backup, and are struggling for speed.

5/17/2019 2:31:24 PM

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the open was awesome

5/18/2019 8:31:55 PM

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As good as the open was, the actual all star race sucked ass. That package aint it chief.

Also, clint bowyer goin full Michael Waltrip and throwing punches at newman while hes still in the car

5/18/2019 10:22:04 PM

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who was on the pole?

5/18/2019 11:21:20 PM

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^^yeah, that's usually how it goes. Open is exciting and the all star race blows. The last stage put me to sleep.

The cars are nearly impossible to wreck. They really need to work on the aero package and unglue them from the track.

5/19/2019 6:23:10 AM

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^ they made all the tracks worse just to get better restarts on down force tracks

[Edited on May 19, 2019 at 8:53 AM. Reason : g]

5/19/2019 8:53:35 AM

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Restarts are definitely crazy, but it isn't worth it.

5/19/2019 11:08:33 AM

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Was at Indianapolis yesterday.

Alonso, McLaren...just wow.

(The car that bumped him out at the last was a small effort that lost their sponsor a week ago.)

5/20/2019 9:10:19 AM

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LOL at McLaren

No steering wheel, wrong tire sensors, bad metric conversion, wrong gear ratios, just wow

https://apnews.com/a8653967a9714ac7a9a3ba576f712fff

5/20/2019 9:54:20 PM

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^what a bunch of big dummies

RIP Niki Lauda

5/21/2019 3:10:16 AM

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There's my annual reminder why I don't watch F1

5/26/2019 10:57:03 AM

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How long has nascar had digital dashboards?

5/26/2019 7:35:05 PM

beatsunc
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^been a few years

the 500 and 600 were pretty good

5/27/2019 8:28:30 AM

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I thought the 500 was really good but the 600 was way too long and boring

5/27/2019 3:51:48 PM

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pokey hoes should be runnin their roval sunday

5/29/2019 6:42:52 AM

Flyin Ryan
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I'm on a short list of Pocono defenders. Place is so different in a series with so much sameness.

5/29/2019 7:48:03 AM

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We'll have to see how this package is, but I hope it's hot and slick.

5/29/2019 8:22:26 AM

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Pocono is fine. Doesn't deserve 2 dates, though.

5/29/2019 9:49:00 AM

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If we're basing 1 or 2 dates on "what's deserved", should we cut the schedule down to 24? The Roval is pretty much an acknowledgement by Charlotte they shouldn't have 2, let alone the 3 they have now.

5/29/2019 1:06:04 PM

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no, we should replace something like pocono's second date with a good short track like IRP or Iowa

[Edited on May 29, 2019 at 11:34 PM. Reason : although i'm not completely opposed to shortening the season]

5/29/2019 11:33:52 PM

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Race dates are only going to places owned by ISC now NASCAR, and SMI. IRP is owned by the NHRA. I don't think Iowa is owned by either of the 2 big conglomerates.

5/30/2019 9:11:21 AM

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Iowa was bought by NASCAR when it was in financial difficulty in 2013, which agrees with my Unofficial Rules of Auto Racing:

"Any track wanting a NASCAR date must first be sold to ISC or SMI for pennies on the dollar."

5/30/2019 12:27:05 PM

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=39v_2X6enIw

(Starts about halfway)

This rerun was on the other night when IndyCar guys conquered Family Feud.

If you had to pick a NASCAR driver lineup for Family Feud that would have good personalities for it, who would it be?

My guess is Bowyer, Bubba, Larson, Jimmie, and maybe Stenhouse.

5/30/2019 10:54:40 PM

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^add blaney too

ahh man i hope dale jr doesnt get DC solar-ed by gragson's dad after he killed a passenger in his truck in a dui deal

chip lost $5M over that crap

[Edited on June 1, 2019 at 7:54 AM. Reason : s]

6/1/2019 7:53:33 AM

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man that was a boring race. how many non-pit passes for the lead were there?

6/2/2019 5:07:13 PM

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^pocono gonna Pocono

Maybe they could have the roval on Saturday and oval on Sunday next year.

6/2/2019 7:45:50 PM

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I slept through most of the race, looking at recaps I don't feel the need to rewatch.

Such a crap package for that track.

6/2/2019 9:04:05 PM

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even by Pocono standards, that was a terrible race. this package is junk.

6/2/2019 9:48:22 PM

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Some 2020 Silly Season, in the shock of all shocks , Joe Gibbs Racing/Toyota needs to create a ride for Christopher Bell and there are only 4 top flight Toyotas in the Cup field. Perhaps you shouldn't have ran Furniture Row Racing out of business.

https://theathletic.com/1003550/2019/05/31/erik-jones-a-potential-generational-talent-could-fall-victim-to-joe-gibbs-racings-good-problem-to-have/

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"It’s been nearly seven years since Joe Gibbs Racing cut bait on a certain young driver, perceived to be struggling at the NASCAR Cup Series level, in favor of an established name. The replacement with all the accolades, 41-year-old Matt Kenseth, paid immediate dividends — seven victories and a championship bid in his first season with JGR, resulting in a runner-up finish in the standings. But that season was the only one of Kenseth’s tenure in which he finished inside the top four in points.

The young driver freed to make room for the aging former champ was Joey Logano, whose production output for his age ranked among the best in Cup Series history. JGR’s misevaluation was Team Penske’s gain. Logano has finished fourth or better in points three times in the last six seasons, including a championship in 2018.

Since Logano, JGR promoted two young drivers from its development pipeline — Daniel Suárez and Erik Jones. Furniture Row Racing’s closure last season made a free agent of 38-year-old Martin Truex Jr. and JGR was quick to jettison Suárez to make room. The results have been similar to Kenseth’s during his first season; Truex pocketed his third win through 13 races last weekend in Charlotte. The organization’s bet on Truex, at this very moment, is not being questioned.

Now, JGR again finds itself at a crossroads, forced to make room for Christopher Bell, a driver widely considered the No. 1 NASCAR Cup Series prospect.

Bell isn’t a JGR find, per se — he emerged from the dirt tracks of USAC through Toyota’s lavish driver development program, pocketing 11 wins across 52 NASCAR Xfinity Series starts and a NASCAR Truck Series championship in 2017. Toyota, already having helped develop Kyle Larson and William Byron only to see them break into the Cup Series with rival manufacturers, is sweating the next step in Bell’s career with good reason. (Suarez also came through the Toyota development program program, but was not groomed as extensively as Bell and Larson.)

A conservative estimate of Bell’s development is $23 million over the past four years, a hit absorbed by the manufacturer itself or its business partners. Even if that dollar amount is short of the actual number, it’d still make Bell the most expensive development driver in NASCAR history by a wide margin. Toyota’s urgency to get him to the Cup Series is very real and his move away to another manufacturer would be devastating.

Jones appears the most likely casualty, the pick with the most potential to get “Suárez’d” as my colleague Jeff Gluck aptly stated in a live Q&A earlier this week. There may be a glimmer of hope, though, as Jones and JGR have been discussing a contract extension that would lock him down for the foreseeable future.

“We’re working it out,” Jones said of his contract talks during a media availability last weekend at Charlotte Motor Speedway. “I think we’re on the right path for keeping it going.”

But that was before a dead-last finish in Sunday’s 600-mile race, the result of a blown right-front tire, an impediment plaguing five different teams under JGR’s purview across Charlotte’s Cup and Xfinity races. He’s crashed five times through the first 13 races of 2019 — a total to which some are quick to point — but Charlotte represented his first accident-related DNF this season and his per-race crash frequency, 0.38, equals those of Truex and Denny Hamlin, two of his stablemates at JGR.

Still, it may serve as justification to keep the extension in limbo with Bell such an easy replacement. That would be a shame considering Jones’ production and output to this point in his career.

Before replacing Jones, three things should be considered:

1. Erik Jones and Daniel Suárez have much different statistical trajectories
Swapping out Suárez for Truex was a low-risk move for JGR considering Suárez’s age (26 going on 27) and future outlook based on his history. His career PROA — the average production rating compared to the expectation of drivers his age — sat at minus-0.015 before this year, grading out as barely below average. He’ll improve with age as drivers generally do, but he isn’t tracking like a generational talent across the aging curve.

Jones is. Through his first two seasons, his career PROA was a plus-1.035 — not only an above-average mark, but a better career-long production number than Hamlin (plus-0.927), Kenseth (plus-0.883) and Truex (plus-0.459), all drivers JGR believed in enough to heavily invest in within the last decade.

2. Erik Jones is younger and possibly better than Christopher Bell
Despite an obvious, costly fault, Bell is very good. In fact, he won six times and averaged a third-place finish in the 17 races on non-drafting ovals in which he didn’t crash last year. He was an above-par passer on every track type in 2018, a trait that’s carried over to this season. A regression analysis prior to this year indicated he’d be the 15th-most productive Cup Series driver in equal equipment had he been given a promotion.

The same regression analysis projected Jones as the ninth-most productive Cup driver this season, which is precisely where he ranks through 13 races and where he wrapped the 2018 season. Lest we forget, his Xfinity Series bona fides were strong considering his competition; he won six times in his first 59 Xfinity starts in an era when Cup driver participation wasn’t limited as it has been during Bell’s time. Like Bell will, he entered the top level of stock car racing as an above-par passer, ranking first in surplus passing value among full-time drivers.

To wit, Jones accomplished all of this at a younger age — he was born in May 1996 — than Bell, born in December 1994.

3. Erik Jones is already one of the 10 most productive drivers in the NASCAR Cup Series and the second-most productive driver under age 25
As a rookie, Jones ranked 12th among all drivers in production and has been a top-10 fixture ever since, but most important for the future is his standing among those in his age group. Chase Elliott is the only under-25 driver consistently ranking ahead of Jones in production and William Byron is the only one trailing within sniffing distance. Both Elliott and Byron are employed by Hendrick Motorsports, an organization in the midst of a rebuild in hopes of rivaling JGR in the coming years as its drivers grow and improve toward their most likely statistical peak at ages 35 through 40.

The ideal scenario would be for JGR to keep both Jones and Bell in its camp — with an eye toward the future — but the logistics of such a thing are messy. With Truex and Kyle Busch signed to fresh deals, Hamlin is the most realistic other option, and dumping him now would mean cutting ties with the most recent Daytona 500 winner ahead of his age-39 season, the year that, on average, is the most bountiful of a driver’s career.

Too much talent is the proverbial “good problem to have” for JGR, but nothing about this feels like opulence. A productive driver will soon be shortchanged. Regardless of who it is, there’s no guarantee of a landing spot as competitive as the one where he’s now stationed. The wasting of a generational talent looms as a possibility."

6/5/2019 7:45:28 AM

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Are there any options with the 95? I would hate to see DiBurrito lose that ride.

6/5/2019 1:10:52 PM

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^^im a fan of that jones boy

y'all should check out michael waltrip on dale jr's podcast. good stuff

6/5/2019 5:22:10 PM

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Denny is one wreck away from having his Dale Jr. moment and realizing he needs to be out of the car for his own sake. FedEx is driving him staying at JRG, period, otherwise he'd have been released a year ago and they could have kept Suarez or not wasted this year with CBell staying down in xfinity. I could see Hamlin moving to a second LFR car (operated by JGR) to see out his contract, but I don't think they'd want to put CBell in the same situation as Erik just from a developmental standpoint.

6/5/2019 6:30:26 PM

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biffle won texas truck race!

6/8/2019 8:26:06 AM

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that was awesome. glad to see him come back and win.

6/8/2019 1:45:55 PM

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wild finish to the K&N west race. teammate drama and such.

6/9/2019 7:36:48 AM

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^i watch the deegan 38 youtubes, thought it was a great race

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the f1 penalty on VET was some bull crap. looked like just a racin deal

6/9/2019 7:03:27 PM

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I think they gave him the penalty because he got on the gas, but he needed that to keep it pointed in the right direction

6/9/2019 7:29:06 PM

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