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"They were said they hope Covid is over soon because Bernie Bro’s are intense when they have to go to work, just imagine how intense they’re going to get when they all start working from home."

LOL. We all know Bernie Bros don't work. They're socialists.

3/24/2020 3:18:50 PM

(no one takes you seriously, hack)

3/24/2020 3:27:58 PM

"socialists don't work" is a new one for me

3/24/2020 3:57:39 PM

capitalists don't work

3/24/2020 6:02:23 PM

Bernie somehow managed to add $600/week to everyone's unemployment benefits during the crisis. That's pretty cool. Sounds like a leader to me.

3/25/2020 7:19:31 PM

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"capitalists don't work"

when the government forces the economy to shut down and them out of work.

FTFY

3/26/2020 8:53:32 AM

Everyone gets sick and no one goes to work.

Am I doing this right?

3/26/2020 8:56:18 AM

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"Bernie somehow managed to add $600/week to everyone's unemployment benefits during the crisis. That's pretty cool. Sounds like a leader to me. "

That was actually added by Michael Bennet, but nice try

https://www.bennet.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?id=E52B6523-9C69-4B96-B0EC-7C7C6C9F4EFE

[Edited on March 26, 2020 at 9:20 AM. Reason : a]

3/26/2020 9:10:11 AM

you are right! he's just in the news for it because he threatened to stall the bill unless they kept that provision.

3/26/2020 10:12:57 AM

And all his supporters, like you, are giving him credit for coming up with the thing. That bill was going to pass regardless.

3/26/2020 10:17:43 AM

same type of people who said al gore invented the internet.

3/26/2020 10:23:01 AM

as his constituent, my sincerest congratulations to michael bennett for doing something good for once - albeit in a time where inaction would have severe consequences.

3/26/2020 10:41:51 AM

Bennet has actually done a lot of good, especially when it comes to policy surrounding education.

Do you not realize how hilarious it looks when you thought Sanders introduced it, it was 'OH MY, LOOK AT HOW GREAT OF A LEADER HE IS' and then when knowing it was Bennet, it turns into that shit?

3/26/2020 10:48:55 AM

Literally just said I'm glad he did something good here. It is still unfortunate that outside of catastrophic events, he tends to fight against progressive policy.

Wish people like him could connect the dots and realize that Americans live through trauma on a daily basis.

And yes I made a snarky comment about Bernie being a leader because it's a common talking point against him.

[Edited on March 26, 2020 at 10:55 AM. Reason : .]

3/26/2020 10:52:09 AM

Bernie speech was great and he has done an amazing job fundraising for workers and health organizations. I

3/26/2020 11:37:11 AM

HCH

Capitalists never work by definition. They make money for "having money". They earn wealth off of the backs of others. Sure, a lot of people are living hybrid lives, but the capitalist part of them never works.

3/26/2020 11:54:52 AM

Buy a new dictionary

3/26/2020 1:49:22 PM

Unless you think filling out a form or writing a check is work

[Edited on March 26, 2020 at 1:57 PM. Reason : yikes]

3/26/2020 1:56:35 PM

a smart take:

Quote :

" <whispers> The most progressive aspects of the stimulus bill were a team effort from the likes of Senators Bennet, Baldwin, Markey, Warren, Sanders, et al, and framing it as “one person did it” is actually detrimental for building a working coalition in the future."

http://twitter.com/AWolfeful/status/1243250345385414662

3/26/2020 3:32:42 PM

http://twitter.com/bourgeoisalien/status/1246470235953094657

this has popped up in my timeline a few times and it is extremely dumb

I know she isn’t part of the campaign, but still

4/4/2020 12:22:18 PM

Bye Bernie

4/8/2020 11:24:12 AM

pretty wild that everyone in the race lost to someone who is both a rapist and a murderer. what a grand ole party the democrats are!

https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-says-voting-in-the-wisconsin-primary-is-safe-locals-say-it-could-kill-them

4/8/2020 11:30:05 AM

You'd think after running for 5 years he would have put up more of a fight, but nah.

4/8/2020 11:37:12 AM

And our republic lives for another day!

4/8/2020 12:00:01 PM

I am sorry to see him go and the wealthy elite win again. This is truly a sad day.

4/8/2020 12:01:18 PM

^^
imagine being excited to choose between two rapists who both want to drain the working class to feed the rich

4/8/2020 12:05:05 PM

What was the point of waiting until wisconsin voted but not waiting until the results came out? To me it looks like a sheepdog to me.

4/8/2020 12:56:55 PM

Trying to boost turnout to help the WI Supreme Court seat. Which is commendable and would have worked if not for the Roberts SCOTUS.

Hatred of the Dem party or not surely it doesn’t help leftist policy to continue to cede the courts to rightwing ideologues.

4/8/2020 1:00:44 PM

That excuse doesn't work because there are 7 more of those left in May. It should be clear why wisconsin and not those other states.

4/8/2020 1:14:14 PM

^ Why WI?

4/8/2020 1:48:33 PM

There are 7 more critical state Supreme Court races in May?

4/8/2020 1:53:07 PM

Gonna be interesting watching all of the pundits who have been knocking Bernie for not turning out enough voters in the primary suddenly demand that he has an obligation to get those same voters to turn out in the general.

In their minds, it is simultaneously his fault for not getting enough voters to overcome the institutional roadblocks set forth by Democratic party insiders during the primary, AND it will somehow be his fault for not getting those same voters to overcome additional institutional roadblocks set forth by Republicans in the general. He and he alone, in their minds, is the only person capable of marshaling broad support from the left. Their preferred candidate, a brain-dead, sun-downing old man who has a legitimate rape accusation against him, somehow bears no responsibility of courting those same voters.

Incredible.

4/8/2020 2:28:06 PM

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"^ Why WI?"

Biden had almost no support in certain subgroups and places like the midwest so they had candidates run strong in each primary to get people registered as democrats and voting in the primary so that they could be involved in the process. Then, those candidates each dropout and endorse biden and 85% they brought into the fray end up voting for Biden.

Pete in Iowa and national lgbtq
Warren in mass and national elites
Klobuchar in Minnesota and national white women
Kamala in California and national black women
Beto in Texas and national latinx
Bernie in Michigan and Wisconsin and national leftists

Wisconsin is really the main state where Bernie had a chance to make a difference by bringing leftists into the fray, activating them to vote against Trump then dropping out and sheepdogging them to biden.

Quote :

"Number 3: Advertising Bait and Switch Don’t be fooled by advertisements that offer a handful of vehicles for extremely low prices. Some dishonest dealers will claim that those few cars have been “already sold”, then they will try to sell you other cars at higher prices."

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"Most Common Bait and Switch The most common bait and switch involves pricing cars way below dealer cost. The dealer designates one particular stock number or VIN at that price, and once the vehicle is sold – whether at that price or not – none of the other vehicles on the lot can be purchased for that price. The salespeople at places like this are trained to waltz you around the lot, finally declaring that the advertised vehicle “must have been sold already” and then finding a similar one, vowing to “get as close to that ad price as possible”. Let the games begin."

https://www.carprousa.com/Beware-Of-Bait-and-Switch-Internet-Pricing-Practices/a/463

[Edited on April 8, 2020 at 2:44 PM. Reason : the DNC "got us to the lot"]

4/8/2020 2:42:19 PM

wow

4/8/2020 3:47:30 PM

In earls mind voters are well defined enough to identify as "leftists" or the like but are then too dumb to make an independent decision about Trump vs Biden

Some drooling moron "I voted for Bernie and he lost so now I've been tricked and I'm gung ho for Biden!!"

4/8/2020 3:56:36 PM

He's been preparing for this moment ever since he was active in Marxist circles 40 years ago. Truly playing the long con.

[Edited on April 8, 2020 at 4:26 PM. Reason : MKBERNIE]

4/8/2020 4:26:32 PM

He's not the con, he's the conned.

At no point did I say Bernie or his voters were in on it. Hell, most of these presidential candidates actually thought they could win when they got in but they were all being used. They were being used by the DNC without even knowing it.

Its pretty obvious that Kamala didn't intend on joining Biden when she thatlittlegirlwasme'd him.

Bernie ran much more of an anti-Trump campaign than an anti-Biden campaign. He went out of his way to not trash Biden and talk about how great of a friend he is all while focusing on running against someone he will never actually run against. It shouldn't be a controversial idea that you should campaign against the people on the ballot against you and then run against Trump when/if that time comes.

All of that just to try and prove he's a "real" democrat. Now he's going to be campaigning for Joe Biden and they still will blame it all on his "nastiness" if they lose. Bernie's been had by the DNC...twice

Keep convincing yourself Bernie made all the right moves though.

4/8/2020 5:31:10 PM

you'd be a lot more interesting if you were a true anti-electoralist and not just a contrarian dipshit. fuck off and read some lenin or something.

[Edited on April 8, 2020 at 5:53 PM. Reason : .]

4/8/2020 5:52:48 PM

I don't form values based on how many other people find them "interesting". Thats not how a moral compass is supposed to work. At no point have I been an anti-electoralist, I think more people should start voting and we should have even more of a democracy. You got the wrong person.

[Edited on April 8, 2020 at 6:07 PM. Reason : imagine beliving in things just because other people think they make you "interesting"]

4/8/2020 6:06:16 PM

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"I don't form values based on how many other people find them "interesting"."

lol we know. you form them based on the opposite. you're an embarrassment to the left and your presence on this website and wherever else is a detriment to the values you claim to hold.

4/8/2020 6:10:53 PM

If a person on a message board can be an embarrassment to the left then you don't understand what "the left" actually is.

Tell me about what it does for values when you attack the person delivering critiques instead of actually defending your point. Its literally bigotry.

And this goes for all these democrats on here. If you can't actually defend your positions and can only resort to personal attacks against people who hold "awful views", then what makes you so different than MAGA folks?

[Edited on April 8, 2020 at 6:22 PM. Reason : i come here specifically because its NOT an echo chamber for me. many places are. ]

4/8/2020 6:21:25 PM

Maybe Obama can convince horosho to drop out of this website am I right guys

4/8/2020 6:32:22 PM

Quote :

"Tell me about what it does for values when you attack the person delivering critiques instead of actually defending your point. Its literally bigotry. "

classic

4/8/2020 6:33:50 PM

Quote :

"you'd be a lot more interesting if you were a true anti-electoralist and not just a contrarian dipshit. fuck off and read some lenin or something."

Ok, but on the real, though. Can we begin talking about the function of the state and what purpose it serves with regards to class struggle?

Because I'll be honest with you, I don't think the change that is desperately needed to help working people can reasonably be achieved via electoral reforms. And quite frankly, the Democratic machine has proven very adept at coalescing around its pre-determined candidate and controlling it's propaganda wing (mainly msnbc) in order to snuff out the threat of an insurgent movement, which, in my mind, proves definitively that they would prefer to lose the the hard-right rather than cede an inch to the left.

If the left believes that they need to hold power in order to implement their vision for society, then they need to be serious about how power is achieved, or at the very least, how concessions from those holding power are extracted. And this conversation will need to be centered around organizing labor outside of the electoral arena.

4/8/2020 6:38:13 PM

For the record, I didn't mean that negatively. I meant he would literally be more interesting and relevant if his commentary revolved around a coherent political philosophy. State and Revolution is next on my reading list and I'm open to other suggestions.

4/8/2020 6:42:02 PM

To me, he's one of the few folks on the left that actually makes sense, to me.

4/8/2020 6:45:24 PM

I know you didn't. I took you literally, and I agree. It WOULD be a more interesting conversation.

State and Revolution is an interesting read. I'd also recommend Trotsky's "Fascism: What it is and how to fight it." You could probably knock that one out in about an hour. It gives a pretty coherent theory as to how the failure of liberalism allows fascist ideology to take root, who is likely to join emergent fascist movements (and the role held by members of the petite-bourgeoisie). Take them both with a grain of salt, but the theories presented about revolutionary struggle are worth absorbing.

[Edited on April 8, 2020 at 6:53 PM. Reason : ]

4/8/2020 6:45:56 PM

I'd also be more interesting if I were a Mormon polygamist...but I'm not

Punching down by joining the crowd to disrespect and ostracize the weakest, most vulnerable user may not be revolutionary, but at least it makes you "interesting" and scores social points.

Cool look. Keep it going and maybe the entire party will suddenly find you "interesting" enough to embrace your ideals. The leftists I know debunk misconceptions and put work in to convincing people why their preconceptions may be misguided or flat out problematic. No one gets turned away except nazis. I get treated on this site the way real leftists treat fascists.

[Edited on April 8, 2020 at 6:54 PM. Reason : forcible suppression of opposition]

4/8/2020 6:53:12 PM

The irony of Bernie's campaign both this round and in 2016, is that he ran within the Democratic framework specifically because he didn't want to be labeled the spoiler, a la Ralph Nader vs Gore in 2000.

And in spite of his best efforts, he will still wear this label. He mistakenly thought that he could win over the hearts and minds of the voters (and he came damn close to doing just that) and drag the Democratic establishment across the finish line. The folly in this strategy was thinking that the Democratic establishment would acquiesce to his insurgency. It did not, and it the establishment revealed itself to be more interested in retaining control of the party than winning the general.

4/8/2020 11:50:11 PM

I don't think he ever believed the Democrats would let him win. I think that's dismissive of his history as an activist and a socialist. If not for him, we'd have exactly 0 socialists in federal office (now we have 2 or 3 i think?), policies like M4A and free college would be as marginal as they were 10 years ago, and we wouldn't have a growing left wing opposition.

4/9/2020 12:06:22 AM