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1/9/2021 11:16:23 PM

moron
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Tanzarian and Marko were the closest from page 1

1/9/2021 11:54:11 PM

A Tanzarian
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yay?

1/10/2021 2:06:55 AM

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"The fact that he's not even been impeached already just goes to show you how glacially slow/inefficient Congress is. They could literally copy/paste the work they had from LAST January and have the articles filed without having to do ANY new research."


Not even remotely a statement grounded in reality (no offense).

1/10/2021 6:58:50 PM

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What about:

Loses the election (assuming we have one): undisputed loss, but refuses to vacate office, violence carried out by combo of police/ICE/Homeland Security/Sympathetic military personnel/Rightwing-militias against protestors. Increasing violence blamed on a growing left. Opportunistic General or Defense Secretary orchestrates a military coup to restore order and protect private property. Installs "interim government." Democracy officially dead, but capitalism ultimately saved.

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I said this back in June, and I was half joking, half sincere. But it's actually not out of the realm of possibilities. The more we learn about the events that took place, it becomes increasingly clear (to me, at least) that this was an autogolpe attempt. One branch of government (the leader of the executive) branch intentionally sent armed insurgents to execute members of the another (legislative) branch of government. That is a self-coup aimed at consolidating power. In the moment, I classified it as an insurrection (which it partly was). But as more details come to light, it appears that there was a more coordinated effort to send insurgents in to carry out executions of political opponents in the senate on live TV with the help of sympathetic members of a militarized law enforcement. The details of how lax security was leads me to believe that there were enough loyalists in command who allowed this breach to occur.

So here's where we are: The leader of the executive branch of government has

1) Stacked the judiciary to his benefit
2) Accused the legislative branch of being corrupt and convinced a large percentage of the population to have open disdain for the democratic process.
3) Publicly orchestrated an armed insurrection and likely embedded insurgents with the intent of carrying out hostages/executions of political enemies as well as the ENTIRE PRESIDENTIAL LINE OF SUCCESSION. on live TV.
4) Is currently making tours across the country to visit other law enforcement agencies (border patrol, last I heard)

This is a naked power grab, and there is currently plenty of indication that these right-wing militias intend to carry out further acts of violence with the aim of grabbing power within the coming days. While it's tempting to dismiss them for their buffoonery (yes, lolol it's funny that one of the guys tazed himself in the ballsack and died, and lolol at literally carrying a "don't tread on me" flag while being literally trampled to death. That shit is a little too on the nose). But the actions are still being carried out regardless, and our militarized law enforcement is simultaneously sympathetic to the cause and ill prepared to prevent it, which is a major problem.

We have also now entered an era of expected acts of political violence, currently being carried out by an expanding right-wing. Make no mistake about it, the right-wing just scored a major propaganda victory on the 6th. If they can successfully "both-sides" this public perception of who is to be considered dangerous, then there will be a growing appetite among the public to restore "order" even at the expense of democratic self rule. Obviously a lot of chips have to fall in the right order for this to happen, but we are closer to that result than we were just a month ago, and that's upsetting, to say the least. These next few weeks will really set the course for the future of the country, and I can't say I have that much confidence in our political leadership to course-correct in time. If there are not immediate ramifications to those who aided and abetted this action (up to and including members of congress and the president), then the signal will be sent that these actions are acceptable. We will not be able to just white-knuckle this thing to the 20th and hope for it to die down. This is a growing movement




[Edited on January 11, 2021 at 4:45 PM. Reason : Also, I guess this site is back up?]

1/11/2021 4:35:38 PM

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1. Murkowsky v
2. Sasse ?
3. Romney ?
4. Collins !?!?!
5. Loeffler/Perdue? (LOL since they both conceded, let's assume they're pissed)
6. Graham?
7. Mitch?"


Screw Ben Sasse. He didn't have a bad thing to say about Trump or Trumpism until he knew he didn't have a legit challenger and didn't need Trump's favor in order to win.

1/11/2021 6:07:33 PM

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NYT reporting McConnell is on board with impeachment

1/12/2021 5:02:21 PM

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Would there be a duty to announce that the 25th had been used, or could they quietly strip him of power and ride out the last week without risking MAGA riots?

1/12/2021 5:24:34 PM

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"But it's actually not out of the realm of possibilities"


Yes, it probably is. Sounds like fan fic/fear porn, and a lot of your doom and gloom predictions about the actual election (let alone primary!) didn't pan out, so maybe take an edible and chill out.

I'm not saying that pockets of violence/domestic terrorism can't/won't be flaring up in the next few days/weeks/month/etc, but calm down.

1/12/2021 5:37:07 PM

A Tanzarian
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^^ If the cabinet invokes the 25th amendment, they're required to transmit that fact to Congress. I doubt it would stay quiet (nor should it).

1/12/2021 5:47:13 PM

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Yes, it probably is. Sounds like fan fic/fear porn, and a lot of your doom and gloom predictions about the actual election (let alone primary!) didn't pan out"


Most of my election predictions were made pre-pandemic. I still think Trump could have won had covid not thrashed him. But that's a counterfactual, so we'll never know.

But if you want to come in here and take a victory lap about your primary/election predictions after we just witnessed a literal right-wing armed insurrection at the behest of a president who is attempting an autogolpe, then go off, I guess.

I've consistently warned of the emergence of a fascistic right wing growing more militant and hostile to the very concept of democracy. But you guessed Mayor Pete correctly or whatever, so good for you. Really got your eye on the prize, don'tcha.

1/12/2021 6:42:40 PM

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"I'm not saying that pockets of violence/domestic terrorism can't/won't be flaring up in the next few days/weeks/month/etc, but calm down."


What an odd sentence to type out in earnest

1/12/2021 7:27:30 PM

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Welcome back! Took you a while to figure out that TWW is up/running again, but here's a refresher:

https://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=648215&page=96#16587299

You were basically wrong about everything, but do take your time and re-read carefully.

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Most of my election predictions were made pre-pandemic. I still think Trump could have won had covid not thrashed him. But that's a counterfactual, so we'll never know."


Sure, Jan


Also:

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"It's not spin, it's just another typical result of Trump's complete inaction on COVID. The entire thing to him was nothing but an inconvenience and even though he almost DIED from it, he came out learning absolutely nothing, showing ZERO remorse.

I gotta tell ya, if we wanted to get into a cherry picking contest of predictions that ended up becoming "truth bombs" from this thread:

https://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=648215

I'd be I’d be walking out with at least 3/4ths of a bushel.

dtownral, and to a way lesser extent, JesusHChrist, would both be coming back with sour grapes instead of cherries.

YOU, on the other hand, would still be in the tool shed huffing paint thinner, while simultaneously recording yourself on TikTok, watching YouTube tutorials that explain how to tie a maraschino cherry stem into a knot with your tongue. FFS dude, you're STILL part of the problem. "


Keep the fear porn coming though. It's super helpful/productive



[Edited on January 12, 2021 at 8:50 PM. Reason : at least Earl is banned, and dtownral is too much of a coward to come back. :elbowbump:]

1/12/2021 8:44:08 PM

JesusHChrist
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Are you okay?

1/12/2021 9:00:34 PM

UJustWait84
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Me? I'm certainly concerned/worried about my country, but I haven't gone off the deep end (yet) because I trust that experts are making the right moves behind the scenes to mitigate the potential damage Trump could potentially do, instead of coming back and trying to sow even more fear/division because I somehow figured out TWW was live again.

1/12/2021 9:05:18 PM

JesusHChrist
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Oh. So it's just blind optimism, then.

Okay, got it

1/12/2021 9:07:36 PM

UJustWait84
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Hardly

Go back and re-read that entire thread-- word for word. I certainly wasn't right about everything, but you look/sound only slightly smarter/more informed than earl and dtownral, so there's that.

I actually prefer to call myself a realist, yet given the choice, I do choose to remain far more optimistic than dismal, but that's mostly because I have deal with truth/facts for work, and I tend to base my opinions on facts/science/expert opinion as opposed to...whatever it is you rely on to form your own dumb/debunked opinions/predictions.

But yeah, "CIVIL WAR II: YOU HEARD IT FIRST TWW!!!1" has already been done since before you "noticed" TWW was back, and it's not driving any TWW traffic

[Edited on January 12, 2021 at 9:20 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2021 9:18:21 PM

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I'm honestly stumped about the predictions ujw keeps referencing, but I have zero desire to research

1/12/2021 9:31:43 PM

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Ok.....I genuinely don't know what you're gloating about or why you feel so strongly about me having discredited myself somehow. I'll admit that I often get the horse-race portion of politics wrong, but I feel far more confident in my ability to assess long term trends in the ideological landscape. The current landscape looks bleak. It's looked bleak for years now. There's nothing wrong with admitting that.

But I think it's unwise to feel comforted by institutions when those institutions are actively being undermined and threatened. I don't think a civil war is coming. I do however, think an era of right-wing terrorism is being mainstreamed, and most governments inevitably have to resort to extreme measures to reestablish legitimacy. How that shakes out, I don't know. But I'm not looking forward to it.

And dude, you just used linked me to a thread where you referenced another thread where you were having an argument with a totally different person and inexplicably dragged me into it in order to calm yourself down. I think you might want to pick up that journal.

1/12/2021 9:33:07 PM

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^^

took me like 2 mins to find, but here's where he gets going:

https://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=648215&page=89#16566808

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"The shift to the center that you noticed more closely follows financial upward mobility. It's not magically divined from gained wisdom with age. Upward mobility has been declining, and the people who tack to the right with age vote because they have the means and time to dedicate to electoral politics. The ones who age without upward mobility don't disappear, they just stop voting because they can't afford to, hence the embarrassing low voter participation in this country.

Your theory of generational politics is dogshit and it's been debunked a.million times."



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"The youth aren't showing up to support Democrats.


That's a party wide problem, not an individual candidates problem. Alarm bells should be ringing, but instead Biden supporters are taking an ill advised victory lap."


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"Depends...will you blame those same people when they absolutely won't show up I November?

Funny how it's his fault in the primary, and it will be their fault in the general."


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"If you think a historically conservative candidate is going to suddenly run to the left AFTER securing the primary nomination and heading into the general, then you don't understand politics.

Just look at any poll that shows voting breakdown demographics by age. The Democratic Party has just flipped a giant middle finger to anyone under the age of 40 and first time voters. If you think those same voters are going to suddenly show up in November to support Biden then you are out of your mind. Whether or not the DNC has irreparably damaged the party remains to be seen, but it doesn't look good.

Instead of talking about Medicare for all, free college education, or minimum wages, we're going to hear about Russia and Ukraine, and be asked to decide which candidates son sucks harder. This will turn off so many voters, and this helps the incumbent in November. "





[Edited on January 12, 2021 at 9:41 PM. Reason : guess he forgot that black people/youth DO vote when they feel like it ]

1/12/2021 9:35:57 PM

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Ohhh...are you referencing my observation that Biden did better in the primaries with older voters and couldn't capture the youth vote?

That post was made in early March.....



.....pretty sure something significant happened like two weeks later that completely changed everything in the year 2020. But whatever, this petty victory seems important to you so have at it.

1/12/2021 9:39:56 PM

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You were WRONG about the primary AND the general.

Sorry, but your radical left/Bernie Bro ideology doesn't sit well with most Americans.

1/12/2021 9:43:01 PM

JesusHChrist
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perhaps you would like to go storm the capitol with your buddies and make sure of that

1/12/2021 9:43:59 PM

UJustWait84
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Dude, it SUCKS to be wrong. The sooner you own up to your mistakes, the easier life gets.

-America

[Edited on January 12, 2021 at 9:48 PM. Reason : https://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=650542&page=5 for "blind optimism"]

1/12/2021 9:46:23 PM

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Just the other day I flipped a coin and somebody swore it would be heads. It came up tails so shows how much he knows about coins!

1/12/2021 10:01:16 PM

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I can't stress this enough, but you are hanging your hat on electoral norms against a Republican party that is actively breaking down every layer of the democratic process, using every tool at their disposal, up to and including inciting an insurrection against the US government.

Why you are fixated on this is beyond me. There is a much larger, far more urgent, and far more pressing issue immediately staring you in the face, and you'd rather punch to the left even as armed fascists are planning to carry out coordinated nation wide acts of violence to prevent your candidate from ever taking office. And your response to that seems to be, "I'm sure it'll be fine."

I mean....maybe. But fixating on the primaries seems an odd hill to die on.

But yeah, Biden beat Bernie, I'm not denying that. Maybe it's because Biden is incredibly popular and people like his platform more than Bernie's. And then he beat Trump, I don't deny that either.

Or maybe it's because they wanted to cast a negative vote against a president who oversaw 300,000 American deaths to a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic, massive social unrest, a looming economic recession/depression, and who is willing to literally assassinate members of congress to stay in power.

I guess we'll never know. Let's go with your assumption.

1/12/2021 10:04:08 PM

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:laughs in smug progressive:

1/12/2021 10:07:08 PM

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I was more bored than I thought
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FL, PA, MI, NC, WI, AZ are "toss ups", but I'm not convinced Biden will carry ANY of these, let alone a winning combo of them in addition to whatever bright blue states he MUST win. "

1/12/2021 10:13:04 PM

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rwoody refuses to read PERIOD, and JesusHChrist and I actually pretty much on the same team, aside from him being a Bernie Bro and me preferring Warren/the truth, but anywhoo, I have pondered deeply why Pence is so adamant on refusing the 25th...

A surprising number of people think Pence is far more intelligent/capable than he actually is. If you read up on the dude, he sounds more like total hayseed that lucked into the VP pick than some political mastermind, but my guess is that he would rather let it go to impeachment so he can join in and stab Trump in the back himself, than to be the one to pull the 25A trigger.

Still don't see removal happening, but it's cute to see all these "republicans" pledge to vote in favor of impeachment when it literally couldn't matter any less.

[Edited on January 12, 2021 at 10:19 PM. Reason : ya got me! I was PESSIMISTIC about the EC outcome!]

1/12/2021 10:18:58 PM

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You're bragging about predictions that's the only one I found

Seems like everyone's prediction was "this is gonna be close". Without a pandemic could've been close the other way

1/12/2021 10:28:21 PM

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sigh

https://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=648215&page=19#16532185

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"Pretty apt characterization of all three of them.

Warren= great policies, terrible at politics

Klobuchar= abrasive/bitchy, even if she's honest

Buttigieg= absolutely full of shit and insufferably smug


Biden/Harris. BOOK IT."


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"either way, it’s A) my subjective opinion (not worth shit), B) a common knock on Warren, C) cause for concern, given her missteps.

I’ve been a fan/supporter or hers for a long, long time, and in an ideal world, charisma/charm/whatever wouldn’t matter nearly as much as it does. It would be wonderful if she wins the nom by evolving into a candidate that is as beloved as Jacinda Arden. I’m just nowhere near that optimistic, simply because America is in shambles.

She [Warren] may be the candidate America deserves, but I would prepare to be disappointed and be ready to roll with cringey/creepy Joe. And since the Dems are pretty bad at winning presidential elections (see EC), I could see Harris as the VP to pander to POC.

[Edited on April 26, 2019 at 11:45 AM. Reason : Damn, I’m bleak ]
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1/12/2021 10:43:47 PM

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^^^he may also just be scared as fuck. People were already down to hang him, if he pulled the trigger on the 25th he would probably have a shitload more people coming after him even harder, literally trying to murder him.

[Edited on January 12, 2021 at 10:45 PM. Reason : $$$]

1/12/2021 10:45:03 PM

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Eh, he's SUPER religious so I think he's motivated far more by delusion (I can run in 2024 since I stood up to Trump!) than anything else.

Seriously, it's an open secret how stupid the man actually is.

1/12/2021 10:52:15 PM

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Also, since I know rwoody won't read unless I copy/pasta for him, I definitely predicted the completely predictable Bernie Bro response when he flamed out against Biden:

1. Warren is a snake!
2. DNC expertly rigs elections

1/12/2021 10:55:35 PM

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Bragging about picking Biden in the primary is worse than bragging about picking Biden in the general.

[Edited on January 12, 2021 at 11:01 PM. Reason : Calls someone else smug]

1/12/2021 11:00:32 PM

UJustWait84
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You brag about Harden and his ZERO rings, homie. We can do this all night

1/12/2021 11:01:43 PM

rwoody
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What does that even mean

1/12/2021 11:17:09 PM

UJustWait84
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I'm not even sure anymore, man.

I'm happy that earl is gone and semi-glad that JesusHChrist is back. Let THAT sink in...

1/12/2021 11:20:17 PM

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1/13/2021 11:22:55 AM

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