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Ball State (1-2)

 
 

vs

 
 

NC State (2-1)

 Saturday, September 21st, 7:00pm
TV: ESPNU


GO STATE!



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9/20/2019 10:47:12 AM

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We will win.

9/20/2019 11:03:41 AM

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19 point spread. I think we cover. I’ll say 38-14

9/20/2019 11:58:09 AM

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I have a crazy idea! If we jump out to an early lead on the Cardinals, maybe get Hockman in for some reps with the first team. I know it's crazy, but what's the point of tune-up games if players aren't allowed to get some D-1 experience?

9/20/2019 12:44:47 PM

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I think you see Hockman finish this game and start FSU

9/20/2019 12:59:51 PM

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i don't really disagree...but couldn't you argue that those reps are just as important for mckay to improve and gain experience? like, if the coaches are sold on mckay because they've seen in practice he's simply better than hockman or leary, aren't those reps just as valuable to mckay as we head into acc season?

9/20/2019 1:00:29 PM

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I agree, but we need Hockman to at least show he can throw the ball. How long til the boo birdds come out when Matthew cant make a pass or overthrows someone.

i'm still on the fence with changing but I think Hockman needs extended game time against someone other than our shitty defense.

9/20/2019 1:02:46 PM

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I haven’t been overly impressed with McKay, obviously. I guess I just put more faith in the staff, that sees these guys practice and know what they are and are not capable of. But yeah, getting Hockman game reps that isn’t mop up duty isn’t a bad idea.

9/20/2019 1:14:04 PM

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"but we need Hockman to at least show he can throw the ball. "


but what if he can't

9/20/2019 1:56:03 PM

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Then at least we know, and that this is one of those years and pray Finley is good.

9/20/2019 2:12:46 PM

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"i don't really disagree...but couldn't you argue that those reps are just as important for mckay to improve and gain experience? like, if the coaches are sold on mckay because they've seen in practice he's simply better than hockman or leary, aren't those reps just as valuable to mckay as we head into acc season?"

I didn't say it, but it was implied by my post that Hockman could have gotten some reps against WCU. The coaches must see a big difference between the 2 in practice...
It could also be a case of Doeren not wanting to expose the whole playbook until ACC play, thus getting McKay really familiar with the offense, but that's a stretch considering our vanilla play calling.

9/20/2019 2:27:29 PM

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"Then at least we know, and that this is one of those years and pray Finley is good"


But *we* don’t need to know it. The staff is who needs to know it. And they may already know that

9/20/2019 2:52:58 PM

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Guys, McKay has only played 3 college games, and only one meaningful one. He's probably going to get a least a little better.

9/20/2019 2:58:09 PM

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"I didn't say it, but it was implied by my post that Hockman could have gotten some reps against WCU. The coaches must see a big difference between the 2 in practice..."


If it’s really close or even kinda close, then yeah I’m all for letting Hockman or Leary get real game reps. But if the staff is really sure that McKay is the guy best suited to run the O, then it’s better that he get those extra reps. I guess it really comes down to how close the QB competition was or still is.

^yeah I agree. I think its normal to have growing pains when breaking in a new QB...and new OCs.

[Edited on September 20, 2019 at 3:00 PM. Reason : H]

[Edited on September 20, 2019 at 3:00 PM. Reason : J]

9/20/2019 2:59:08 PM

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Doeren has shown no interest in giving backup qbs game reps in his career

McKay had 8 attempts last year, 3 for mclendon the year before, trend continues....

9/20/2019 3:52:38 PM

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" He's probably going to get a least a little better."


Yeah the problem is he has a long way to go to get to even average P5 QB play

He had the worst QBR in the ACC before the West Virginia game

9/20/2019 4:59:22 PM

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Tommy DeVito has a worse rating.

(By every rating metric except ESPN's dumbass total qbr)

9/20/2019 6:10:13 PM

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You are going to win this game, play Hockman and Leary the whole game. See what they've got. McKay is not going to instantly develop touch and accuracy nor is he is going to quickly get better. He also eyes down his receiver and telegraphs passes, these aren't quick fixes. Looking at a 6-6 season if he is the best we got.

[Edited on September 21, 2019 at 9:51 AM. Reason : It's not like he's earned the full time gig]

9/21/2019 9:50:24 AM

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Leary isn't seeing the field this season barring some catastrophic injuries.

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"It's not like he's earned the full time gig"


It's pretty clear the coaches think he has.

9/21/2019 10:39:49 AM

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"You are going to win this game, play Hockman and Leary the whole game. "


I don’t think there’s a football coach in the nation that would agree with that philosophy.

^ yea, McKay is the starter. That doesn’t mean there’s no more competition and nothing is really set in stone. But the coaches see them everyday. If they think it’s McKay’s job and it’s not *that* close...then I trust them. I don’t personally need to see Hockman or Leary.

9/21/2019 11:30:39 AM

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Do nothing but 45 yard bomb passes. The whole game. Until McKay figures them out

9/21/2019 6:54:29 PM

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JSW still out. Assume McCloud is too.

9/21/2019 6:55:49 PM

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Pbbbbbbbtttrhhhhhh

9/21/2019 7:24:46 PM

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anyone got a link? no espn u here.

9/21/2019 7:31:53 PM

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Hockman replaced McKay. Got a first down with his legs, threw a nice pass that wasn't caught by the receiver and ended up in a turnover. Ball State looks like the better team thus far.

9/21/2019 7:55:51 PM

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That was a good throw by Hockman. Wouldn’t have been an INT if McKay was in though because the ball would have landed in Hillsborough

9/21/2019 7:57:44 PM

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^ It was a nice pass, that wasn't on Hockman. Would like to see him get a couple of more series in to pass a verdict.

9/21/2019 7:59:41 PM

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It wasn't a bad throw, wouldn't say it was a good one though.

I've seen enough that I'd like to see more. Ultimately, we're probably talking Matt Moore vs Jimmy Clausen (in a world where you don't get Cam Newton for playing the bad one more), so give me Matt Moore

9/21/2019 8:00:39 PM

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The throw was right on target. What more do you want from the QB?

9/21/2019 8:02:04 PM

tower
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I know the "Thayer Thomas is our best QB" thing was a joke, but he throws a pretty nice ball

[Edited on September 21, 2019 at 8:04 PM. Reason : ^it was behind the receiver, which is how it got popped up. shouldnt be an INT, but not perfect]

9/21/2019 8:02:29 PM

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Guess I didn’t notice it was behind him. I didn’t say it was perfect. Honesty, I’d rather just concede the point than try to qualify every post and statement to avoid arguments over semantics. It was a good throw. Should have been caught. You knew what I meant. Now do you want to talk about the game or nitpick over semantics? Aren’t we all in our 30s now? Goddamn

9/21/2019 8:08:52 PM

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9/21/2019 8:10:28 PM

ncwolfpack
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McKay looked shaaaarp on that drive. Maybe the best 3 min of the season for him so far

[Edited on September 21, 2019 at 8:23 PM. Reason : ]

9/21/2019 8:22:34 PM

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^^ nice clip. What does it have to do with the game?

9/21/2019 8:49:34 PM

yrey
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Thomas returned a punt for 76 yards.

9/21/2019 8:59:30 PM

rwoody
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Need a gif of the block from the TT return where the guy got flipped!

[Edited on September 21, 2019 at 9:07 PM. Reason : ^he also scored a td!! ]

9/21/2019 9:06:52 PM

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Night game. Playing well. 75 degrees. Still empty in the 3rd. Whats the excuse now?

9/21/2019 9:26:41 PM

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"nice clip. What does it have to do with the game?"


the announcers said one of the Ball State players' nicknames was "Sticks"

9/21/2019 9:33:18 PM

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dbl

[Edited on September 21, 2019 at 9:33 PM. Reason : post]

9/21/2019 9:33:18 PM

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Their qb has missed two easy tds

9/21/2019 9:36:46 PM

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Pbbbbbbbbttthhhhhhhh

9/21/2019 9:44:41 PM

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LOL. Thank God the other coach is playing not to win.

9/21/2019 9:48:22 PM

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Lol why didn't they go for 2??

9/21/2019 10:15:32 PM

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3rd tipped int of the game
2 big special teams plays
2 big misses by BS qb


Weird game

9/21/2019 10:19:35 PM

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We're not a good football team

9/21/2019 10:22:11 PM

marko
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Announcers going all in on Toby.

9/21/2019 10:24:23 PM

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Might win a conference game this year. Might.

9/21/2019 10:27:18 PM

horosho
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There is no excuse this time. It is an epidemic. Playing on a neutral field just doesn't compare as a player. Of course you can't finish strong. I want more than two home games per year. A lot of restaurants have a penalty for leaving food on the plate and I would be interested in hearing about something similar for making people watch the whole game.

9/21/2019 10:27:43 PM

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PLEASE PAY ATTN TO ME AND ARGUE ABOUT THIS! lol

9/21/2019 10:29:53 PM

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"Might win a conference game this year. Might."

Louisville is winnable. So is GT.

9/21/2019 10:40:43 PM

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