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packboozie
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So that Hockman fumble pretty much sums up him. Great hustle just can't finish.

11/28/2020 12:53:54 PM

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Cuse looks really bad.

Yet we’re losing.

So that’s not good.

Let’s establish the run and I think We’ll be fine.

11/28/2020 1:18:15 PM

packboozie
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Up 14-13 and it feels like we are down 2 TDs lol

11/28/2020 1:26:04 PM

justinh524
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LMAO I'm so glad it's basketball season now.

Hockman is so dumb.

11/28/2020 1:38:16 PM

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Hockman can’t handle pressure well at all.

Knight had no reason to take the ball out of the end zone. And that field position directly led to the safety.

But also. Just run the fucking ball. Our RBs average over 5 ypc today. Cuse run defense isn’t great. Just do the simple thing.

11/28/2020 1:39:32 PM

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Hockman is capable of making some throws. But he has to know his limitations. And so do the coaches.

He’s attempted 12 passes, taken 3 sacks, and has 3 other non-sack carries. Not sure how many of those carries were designed (maybe just the 1 he fumbled on). But that’s way too many called pass plays. That’s about 17 pass plays to (maybe) 9 called run plays. I’m going off the CBS Sports box score so that could be wrong.

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 1:49 PM. Reason : These stats ain’t right. CBS gives Bam Knight 0 carries. So nvm. ]

Ok new stats.

15 rushes by players not named Hockman.
15 passes + 7 rushes by Hockman (includes sacks). So that’s roughly 22 pass plays to 15 runs. And that last drive featured 4 pass plays but in 2 minute drill I don’t really count that, since it’s obviously a passing situation. So play calling has been more 50/50. But no reason it shouldn’t be 60/40 in a game like this. We can run. We can’t pass protect today. Cuse doesn’t have a good run defense. So we should run more imo.

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 1:54 PM. Reason : H]

11/28/2020 1:45:30 PM

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How bad is Ty Evans? He's third string behind these guys. But then again Leary was third behind McKay/Hockman somehow.

It's such a telling sign when our fanbase knows we shouldn't be playing the QB over and over.

11/28/2020 1:56:07 PM

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I don’t think Ben Finley is the answer either. Hockman’s taking too many sacks and that was an absolutely atrocious decision on the safety. But I haven’t seen anything from Finley to think he’s the answer. He’s a true freshman that showed questionable decision making vs UNC. And I’m assuming evans is either hurt or just really sucks. Hockman has earned the starter position. But this is a brutal game.

INT wasn’t Hockman’s fault. The fumble was nearly a TD, fluky play but it’s hard to fault him there. The safety was atrocious. Taking sacks is atrocious. But maybe we should play to our strengths by running the ball. And also maybe don’t give up a 60 yard bomb for a TD and KO return for TD.

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 2:07 PM. Reason : A]

11/28/2020 2:06:08 PM

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Hockman has 5 tumbles in the last 3 halves

Line has also been bad today

11/28/2020 2:17:49 PM

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Why is such a huge deal being made about the throw out of the end zone? He was going to get sacked for the safety either way, looked to me like he tried to get rid of it forward (a little to late) and got turned around. But they keep talking like the backwards throw was the most important part of the safety. What am I missing?

11/28/2020 2:18:13 PM

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Fuck that touchback rule. Its by far the worst rule in all of sports. Its worse than the electoral college.

11/28/2020 2:18:40 PM

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Yeah gotta run short, quick passing stuff with the pass protection looking this poor. First two pass plays of the half appear to have made that adjustment at least

11/28/2020 2:19:01 PM

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No no no, long throws when youre about to get pasted or obv the answer!!

11/28/2020 2:20:24 PM

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Refs might have given Hock forward progress at the 1. Maybe. Hard to say. But it’s more about situational awareness. Knowing where you are on the field and reacting to pressure accordingly. Also, backwards throw could’ve resulted in a Cuse TD if they fell on it in bounds.

11/28/2020 2:20:52 PM

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Quote :
" No no no, long throws when youre about to get pasted or obv the answer!!"


Like I said. Throw deep for a TD every time. Contrary to what they say, you actually can get it all back with one play.

11/28/2020 2:21:44 PM

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Babers hates having timeouts left

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 2:22 PM. Reason : E]

11/28/2020 2:22:06 PM

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Well there goes the run game.

11/28/2020 2:30:23 PM

rwoody
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So I just thought, a state player has had the ball by the end zone 5 times today (not counting person), 3 of those times they've fumbled

11/28/2020 2:32:22 PM

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Trash

11/28/2020 2:37:42 PM

bdmazur
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I'm surprised Syracuse didn't just go for 2.

11/28/2020 2:39:58 PM

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Mediocre teams can’t afford to have an off game even against a shitty opponent. We’re mediocre. Cuse is shitty. But you give them good field position, give them free points, and don’t create turnovers...yeah that’s not a winning recipe.

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 2:44 PM. Reason : Give me a CFB analyst job...That’s deep insight ]

11/28/2020 2:40:37 PM

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"INT wasn’t Hockman’s fault"


It was though. A poorly placed ball led to Riley getting absolutely crushed. He made him turn his back into the defender in order to catch a ball that was behind him on a crossing route. Can't do that.

And that pass out of the back of the end zone likely wouldn't have been a safety if he had just taken the sack as the contact started before he was in the end zone. If that ball had gone the other way, it's much more likely to have been intercepted or intentional grounding than have been either complete or incomplete. Throwing in that situation is always a terrible idea.

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 2:47 PM. Reason : .]

11/28/2020 2:44:43 PM

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Run the ball....with Hockman, and throw to Thayer. The recipe

^whose fault was the safety?

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 2:46 PM. Reason : E]

11/28/2020 2:45:06 PM

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It wasn’t a good pass. You gotta make that catch though. I’m not trying to be the Hockman apologist. OL needs to shoulder some blame. Special teams. Plenty of blame to go around.

Also. Cuse is getting away with some obvious holds lol

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 2:48 PM. Reason : A]

11/28/2020 2:47:27 PM

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"^whose fault was the safety?"

Hockman. He threw it out the back of the endzone instead of getting rid of the ball quickly.

Getting any pressure at all on hockman turns him into a chicken with it's head cut off.

11/28/2020 2:52:06 PM

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I wanna be clear before I make this observation. Hockman has had some reallllllly bad plays today.

But it’s kinda funny to me that he’s 19/22 passing with 3 TDs. And we all are (rightfully) complaining.

11/28/2020 2:52:52 PM

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We take a shot on 1st down. It misses. So 2nd and 10. We pass again. Now it’s 3rd and long. I don’t mind taking a shot. But we need to stay ahead of the chains. Cant keep trusting hock to pick up 3rd and longs.

Fuck. I type all that out and we convert. Whatever.

11/28/2020 2:54:56 PM

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^^^not knight for putting them in the position? Not the line for letting rushers free?

Hockman has had many issues today but not everything is his fault

A qbs job is to put the ball in the hands of a receiver on his team, the defender made a great hit and Riley couldn't hold on

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 2:56 PM. Reason : E]

11/28/2020 2:55:53 PM

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Yeah well the safety pass doesn't count because it was backwards.

But also we're playing against the worst team in the conference and he has 3 giveaways, 2 of which directly gave them points or took points off the board for us.

^it's the qbs job to recognize a blitz and if someone will be coming free and get the ball out quickly if that happens. Hockman just tried to spin out of tackles instead of throwing to a checkdown or throwing out away. You can't expect the OL to block 6 guys.

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 3:02 PM. Reason : .]

11/28/2020 2:59:03 PM

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We gotta work on our 2 point conversion plays.

Hockman’s stat line is gonna be hilariously deceiving. 4 TDs. Closing in on 300 yards. 78% completion.

He’s made some good throws and come up big on 3rd downs.

11/28/2020 3:01:55 PM

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Yes, this is one of those games where people will see the line and he like wow he had a great game. But no, no he did not.

11/28/2020 3:03:09 PM

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^^^then the D should just rush 6 every play I guess if the best case is expected to be a checkdown

I mean he has three turnovers on his stat line (plus a fumbled snap), people will just ignore that?

The 4 tds were all pretty great throws too though

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 3:05 PM. Reason : E]

11/28/2020 3:04:09 PM

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Hockman has been really good this half y'all

11/28/2020 3:07:11 PM

bdmazur
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I really wish we hadn't gone for two the first time, then we wouldn't have needed to the second time.

11/28/2020 3:07:12 PM

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Hock has made some big throws so that shouldn’t go unnoticed. But definitely has made mistakes, mostly in the first half.

We need to look get the takeaway bone out imo

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 3:07 PM. Reason : ^^yes a much much better 2nd half ]

11/28/2020 3:07:27 PM

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Btw just rewatched the safety, they rushed 5 and ikey just whiffed on a block of a Fr LB with one other sack on the year

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 3:11 PM. Reason : Why are we even dropping back from the 8]

11/28/2020 3:11:07 PM

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3 and out. 3 pass plays. Not sure I get that.

11/28/2020 3:13:16 PM

rwoody
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I think Cuse has tried that shovel pass 4 times and it's worked 0 times

11/28/2020 3:16:25 PM

packboozie
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Thinking about that CJ Riley play, does he even have 5 catches on the year? I remember when everyone was so excited he got another year.

11/28/2020 3:18:56 PM

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Yeah Riley has not been good this year. Dunno if he’s just not 100% back to his old self. But he’s been pretty absent all year

11/28/2020 3:21:02 PM

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This game might last 4 hours

11/28/2020 3:32:45 PM

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Wow fantastic clock management by Babers

11/28/2020 3:35:35 PM

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Easiest 4th down conversion ever

11/28/2020 3:38:53 PM

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You have to be joking with that timeout

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 3:43 PM. Reason : What a coaching shitshow]

11/28/2020 3:43:27 PM

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45 seconds. 0 TOs. Why is Cuse running the ball!

And we bailed them out with a TO.

11/28/2020 3:43:48 PM

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Hahahahahhahahahahhahhhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahah

Fitting end to this game

11/28/2020 3:45:11 PM

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Culpepper with Hockman-like awareness at the end. Ahahahaha. Takes a sack. And then spikes it anyways.

Also. I’m dying laughing at the mic picking up “oh thank god. Holy shit” hahahahaha

11/28/2020 3:46:06 PM

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The funniest thing about the 4th down spike is that they snapped it at 1 so it would've been awful even if it was 3rd down and they were down by 3.

11/28/2020 3:46:21 PM

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Absolutely hilarious

11/28/2020 3:46:46 PM

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^^even wrong on sports gg

[Edited on November 28, 2020 at 3:47 PM. Reason : E]

11/28/2020 3:47:10 PM

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