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thegoodlife3
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curious to know who wrote that

trades aren’t based solely on 3 point %

it could end up being a bad trade, but not because of 3 point %

7/30/2021 1:04:36 AM

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Who said trades are "based" on 3pt percentage? The writer is pointing out that the team just made one of their weaknesses worse. Russell Westbrook is the worst volume shooter in the nba and has been for years so it makes sense that analysis of trades would focus on that.

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"Out of 70 NBA players that have tried at least 2,000 jump shots over the past 5 seasons, Russell Westbrook ranks last in efficiency with an eFG% of just 41.8 on 4,226 attempts.
Anthony Davis ranks 69th. The Lakers are now desperate for shooting."

7/30/2021 7:04:31 AM

thegoodlife3
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they have plenty of time to get more shooting

7/30/2021 10:35:19 AM

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I mean to be fair they only have like 4 players now. So they have plenty of roster spots for shooting.

7/30/2021 11:42:19 AM

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Well in the suns series, it seemed like KCP was damn near afraid to take an open 3. You definitely won't have that problem with Westbrook . I know there is plenty of time to get shooting and maybe they get a few over the hill vets to play at league minimum, but they don't have the $$ flexibility to get any good ones. Westbrook is like the third highest paid player in the league. A buddy hield package would have been a much better fit than Russ IMO.

I can already imagine the stinkeye that Lebron is going to be shooting Westbrook every time he jacks a shitty 3 early in the shotclock.

I really hate this trade for the Lakers.

7/30/2021 12:30:02 PM

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The Rockets had to design a new way to play with Westbrook on the team. When AD and Westbrook are on the floor together that lane will be packed.

7/30/2021 1:16:51 PM

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Lebron has given me no reason to doubt his ability to make it work with players you’d assume it not working with

until we see what it looks like on the court, it’s an incomplete. especially with the roster moves they’re going to make in the coming weeks

7/30/2021 1:36:19 PM

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They could certainly do a strategy just like the Rockets, limit the minutes when AD and Westbrook share the court. Westbrook will help in the reg season if/when AD and LeBron miss games. The Rockets thought they had it figured out, RW was excellent for a few months when they convinced him to attack rather than shoot, but in the playoffs he reverted. The Rockets obviously didn't have LeBron but also didn't have someone like AD that had to get minutes but shares a weakness with RW.

The "wait and see" criticism is unfair, this is sport talk we talk about breaking news and our opinions of how it will work out. This board would be deader then it already was if we couldn't discuss anything until it's done.

7/30/2021 2:29:25 PM

thegoodlife3
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think the argument could pretty easily be made that waiting and seeing in many aspects of life would make things a lot better

7/30/2021 2:39:22 PM

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Not in this case though. Talking and arguing about sports is (usually) fun.

7/30/2021 3:52:57 PM

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lol those Lakers trade hot takes are not going to age well

7/30/2021 4:17:28 PM

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I'm not sure the take is that hot, seems pretty common.

But what events would qualify as the take not aging well? Lakers winning championship? Lakers getting 1 seed?making playoffs? Improving shooting? Singing shooters? Westbrook improving shooting?

7/30/2021 4:43:41 PM

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^^^ I’m assuming the person you originally quoted is paid for a take like that, which cool, at least they get paid for it

I just don’t get the incentive for someone who isn’t paid for such a hot take to try and make

better to sit back and form a hypothesis based on better information than to trip over yourself to make a hot take on a message board, unless that’s the kind of thing you’re really into

[Edited on July 30, 2021 at 4:46 PM. Reason : which is why it’s an incomplete until we see how the rest of their roster gets filled out]

7/30/2021 4:45:28 PM

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Trip over myself? What are the penalties if I'm wrong?

I mean we won't have compete information until the finals are over and even then it will be an argument for the affect Westbrook had, win or lose.



I understand arguing over whether the take is true or false but it's crazy I'm getting flack for having an opinion at all. They should try that on pardon the interruption, every question just say we'll it's really too early to say

[Edited on July 30, 2021 at 5:00 PM. Reason : E]

7/30/2021 4:56:35 PM

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"This trade makes zero sense" after adding a recent MVP winner isn't a hot take? I know you're scorned as a Rockets fan but come on. Jaybee needs to tell you to be objective.

7/30/2021 5:02:10 PM

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^^ the flak from me almost entirely about the original quote you posted

they’re paid handsomely on PTI, and it’s well-earned. it’s the people who aren’t as good as them that I take issue with.

7/30/2021 5:14:31 PM

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^^wait explain why a Rockets fan would feel scorn in relation to Westbrook?

[Edited on July 30, 2021 at 5:21 PM. Reason : "recent mvp" is doing alot of work for a player who appears to be in decline ]

7/30/2021 5:20:07 PM

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because it didn't work out when he came to Houston?

I dunno, maybe you like and respect how he gave it his all, and there is some other reason you're posting hot takes about his trade to the Lakers already being a pointless failure

[Edited on July 30, 2021 at 5:22 PM. Reason : .]

7/30/2021 5:21:07 PM

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they flipped 3 rotation players, 2 of which were unplayable at times, for a top 25 player who will be able to take a lot of the regular season burden off of Lebron

saying the trade makes zero sense based on 3 point % is a glaringly dumb take

7/30/2021 5:25:27 PM

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So I have scorn for him? If anything that's hardens fault for running off paul and forcing the Rockets to bring in Westbrook. Westbrook did work out for awhile he was excellent during s stretch in the middle of the season, but he stopped doing what was working and went back to his old play style in the playoffs. Granted Harden appeared more checked out then usual late in the Lakers series so it hatds to blame him too much.

The tweet makes sense to me, Westbrook isn't mvp Westbrook anymore. He is no longer good enough to justify having around regardless of personnel. The team makeup will have to cater to him to a certain extent to make it work. Also the Lakers had a clear weakness last season, you would think they would want a 3rd star that wouldn't be bad at that same weak area, like Dame.

A trade for someone like Ben Simmons would get a similar response. You already have two superstars, your 3rd guy should be complementary. Westbrook has value running the 2nd unit, but I predict lineups wiht AD and RW will be worse offensively than lineups with just one.


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This is exaggerating even the tweet, but I'd like to reiterate my question about what makes this trade a failure or success in your eyes?

^well hey at least we are taking about the take instead of the timing, progress! I agree Westbrook may help regular season, could even be beneficial in the playoffs, but his salary cap hit is that of a #1 option. And the trade has opportunity cost of not using those pieces to trade for someone who could fit better.

[Edited on July 30, 2021 at 5:36 PM. Reason : E]

7/30/2021 5:29:43 PM

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"the Lakers had a clear weakness last season"


yeah, injuries

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"what makes this trade a failure or success in your eyes?"


barring catastrophic injuries, it pretty much comes down to whether or not they have a 1st round exit again, or make and/or win the Finals

[Edited on July 30, 2021 at 5:47 PM. Reason : .]

7/30/2021 5:37:28 PM

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Ok more than one weakness, two of which Westbrook worsens.

Their odds to win the NBA championship were 2nd before adding. Their odds now are better, but still 2nd. I would have bet on them to make it past the first round before the trade and I still will. I disagree that Westbrook has a significant positive impact on their championship hopes, but I don't think he would cost them one

[Edited on July 30, 2021 at 5:49 PM. Reason : E]

7/30/2021 5:47:38 PM

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" He is no longer good enough to justify having around regardless of personnel."


wat

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" A trade for someone like Ben Simmons would get a similar response."


Ben Simmons has the yips and was afraid to dunk. Westbrook is the exact opposite.

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" agree Westbrook may help regular season, could even be beneficial in the playoffs, but his salary cap hit is that of a #1 option."


you aren’t a Lakers fan, their cap hit means nothing to you, and they’re fine to pay the luxury tax. those benefits you mentioned are justified by the cost.

[Edited on July 31, 2021 at 2:26 AM. Reason : .]

7/31/2021 2:12:59 AM

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The Rockets had to change their entire team AND convince RW to play different to make RW effective, at a star level anyway. Despite that won 10 more games the previous year with CP.

Ben Simmons is a poor shooter scared to shoot, RW is a poor shooter that is never scared to be shoot, both are not great for a team's offense. Simmons has been a more efficient scorer.

Maybe they're fine paying 50-100 mill in luxury tax, if so more power to them.

8/2/2021 9:04:58 AM

thegoodlife3
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Malik Monk to the Lakers might be their best signing yet

also just signed Carmelo

8/3/2021 3:29:11 PM

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It's good when a lottery pick's second contract is for the minimum, right?

8/3/2021 5:10:12 PM

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I'll be very interested to see the starting 5, even more interested to see the playoff last four minutes 5

8/3/2021 5:18:38 PM

thegoodlife3
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^^ haven’t seen it reported otherwise, but I think it’s fair to assume he signed for less because he wanted to play for the Lakers

8/3/2021 5:33:41 PM

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Also because he is shitty

8/3/2021 6:00:52 PM

thegoodlife3
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shitty players don’t get better each season/average ~12 ppg while shooting 40% from 3

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/4/20/22392444/malik-monk-charlotte-hornets-player-development-nba

[Edited on August 3, 2021 at 6:08 PM. Reason : .]

8/3/2021 6:04:44 PM

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Tldr

Monk sucks

8/3/2021 6:10:30 PM

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I agree with rwoody-- Westbrook is gonna cause the Lakers problems.

Anyone thinking the Lakers having him team up with an aging Lebron and and injury prone Anthony Davis are a lock for the #1 seed in the West watches way too much ESPN.

I am, however, delighted to see that the Suns completely overpaid for CP3. Warms my bitter, GSW fair weather fan heart.

8/3/2021 8:19:10 PM

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I still think the RW trade sucks and would have liked to see them do something else. The biggest thing is that there just wasn't a market for Westbrook. So that trade didn't have to be rushed the way it was. That said, the Monk and Bazemore signings are both helpful. Even Ellington could be a nice shooter for them. For the Lakers, the current iteration of Dwight is a better fit than Trez.

It could end up being a decent squad if Lebron can reign in Westbrook a bit. They are old af though.

8/3/2021 9:30:25 PM

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Honestly i kinda hope they win so Melo can get a ring.

8/3/2021 9:33:43 PM

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I kinda hope they have the 8th best record in the West and then lose to the 7th seed in a lame play-in game designed to draw ratings, but then they have to play the 9 seed to get the 8th seed back and lose again.

8/3/2021 9:46:37 PM

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" Anyone thinking the Lakers having him team up with an aging Lebron and and injury prone Anthony Davis are a lock for the #1 seed in the West watches way too much ESPN."


care to post a video from ESPN to back that claim up? their website published columns on why it was a bad trade as their main story (from Zach Lowe) and one of their most recognizable NBA writers (Brian Windhorst) was on the ESPN Daily pod saying he didn’t think it was a great trade, either

I’m sure you read and listened to both, though, knowledgeable fan that you are

8/3/2021 9:51:25 PM

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I actually didn't, but that's pretty hilarious that they think the trade sucks too

8/3/2021 9:52:49 PM

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I don't think they are a lock for #1 but they are easily the betting favorite, before and after the trade

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What have I done

8/3/2021 10:38:07 PM

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Yeah a relatively healthy Lakers team is still the favorite in the west. I'd put them behind a handful of eastern conference teams though, obviously.

8/4/2021 12:20:17 AM

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Dominant 3rd quarter tonight

8/5/2021 1:41:10 AM

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Lets go Slovenia!

8/5/2021 2:47:11 AM

HaLo
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Looking forward to watching “Untold: Malice at the Palace” on Netflix tonight

8/18/2021 12:38:49 PM

HaLo
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Pretty damn good

8/18/2021 10:16:38 PM

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8/20/2021 1:10:52 AM

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