^^^ No kidding!

10 hours after the shot, the entire upper-half of my side that received the shot felt like someone had repeatedly punched me.

After 14 hours, that entire half of my body, down to my feet, felt the same way; I had a fever, possibly the worst chills that I remember ever having, and I was drenched in sweat. I think I may have gotten four hours of sleep that night.

The next day, I had a painful headache and spent most of the day catching up on the sleep that I missed the night before; Tylenol seemed to help with the headache. I was able to eat, but I didn't have much of an appetite.

36 hours after the initial shot, I seemed to be feeling better, and feeling better seemed to coincide with the return of my appetite. Today, I feel like I'm back to normal.

5/8/2021 10:35:03 AM

I had a bad headache ~12 hours post-shot #2. That also coincided with not being able to sleep. Other than that? Nothing.

5/8/2021 11:48:54 AM

I got shot #2 of Pfizer yesterday at noon and my arm is sore and I’m fatigued, but other than that no fever, chills, headaches

5/8/2021 2:15:20 PM

My wife has had both Pfizer shots and she didn't have a single issue with either dose.

5/13/2021 1:37:29 PM

Information on mixing and matching vaccine flavors:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57075503

5/14/2021 7:50:47 AM

Are you throwing away your 20 giant masks now? Did your girlfriend get her “shots”?

5/14/2021 9:02:04 AM

You may not have noticed, but this is generally a serious thread, not one of your knee-slapper originals.

5/14/2021 9:26:00 AM

Thank you for admitting I am funny

5/14/2021 9:40:26 AM

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

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"Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 12,313 reports of death (0.0036%)"

So now we've had blood clots in women, myocarditis, some permanent disabled, deaths and whatever unknowns still lurk in the shadows. The main reason given for being vaccinated here ITT, stopping transmission, doesn't seem to work. [1]

The VAERS system can be reported by anyone, however it is a federal crime to do so if fraudulent. They report any death in theory, even ones not contributed to vax. Old age for example. Even still they now have double the reports for covid 19 vax as all vaccines in the last 30 years in history.

There was some talk in Soapbox but figured better here.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-side-effects-hospitalization-kids-11626706868

[1] https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-have-been-double-jabbed-says-vallance-12359317



[Edited on July 21, 2021 at 9:11 AM. Reason : A ]

7/21/2021 9:04:48 AM

this very next part that you left out seems relevant

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"A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths."

7/21/2021 12:02:37 PM

^^

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"The main reason given for being vaccinated here ITT, stopping transmission, doesn't seem to work. [1] [1] https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-have-been-double-jabbed-says-vallance-12359317 "

Wait, did you click the link rather than just read the URL? The URL has what they reported first, but they corrected it to the opposite of what they said first:

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"COVID-19: Vallance corrects mistake to say 60% of people being admitted to hospital with coronavirus are unvaccinated Earlier, Sir Patrick Vallance told a news conference 60% of coronavirus-related hospital admissions were double-jabbed people - but he later corrected himself."

7/21/2021 12:39:21 PM

^^^ why are you, an American, linking to a right-wing British tabloid piece about vaccine efficacy that includes a vaccine that you, as an American, are unable to get in the US?

7/21/2021 12:48:28 PM

^^ He corrected it down to 40%.

^ there are plenty of stories of people contracting covid here as well. The narrative here is still 97% vaccinated in the hospital--which makes perfect sense if you include it from the beginning of the pandemic!

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"this very next part that you left out seems relevant "

We will see. Most of the official statements contradict their own numbers.

[Edited on July 21, 2021 at 1:05 PM. Reason : a]

7/21/2021 1:02:55 PM

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"there are plenty of stories of people contracting covid here as well. The narrative here is still 97% vaccinated in the hospital--which makes perfect sense if you include it from the beginning of the pandemic!"

The numbers being reported are based on actual data. Do you think it's being fabricated?

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

As of July 12 (among vaccinated people):
Hospitalizations - 5,189
Deaths - 1,063

[Edited on July 21, 2021 at 1:16 PM. Reason : .]

7/21/2021 1:15:18 PM

I really have trouble following this guy's arguments. He frequently posts from questionable sources, quotes statemens/stats out of contex, leaves out pertinent info from his quotes, and makes conclusions that often aren't backed-up by what he's posting.

7/21/2021 1:21:07 PM

It's all by design

7/21/2021 1:26:16 PM

^^ My main argument in regards to the vaccine is there is fuck all way to know if there are going to be long term side effects. Anyone telling you otherwise is lying to sell something.

7/21/2021 1:43:06 PM

I got both rounds of the Pfizer vaccine back in April. Last night I started feeling like pure shit. Was up all night with a chills/fever and sweating like an 18 year old girl at a rave on molly for the first time. It was pure misery. I just tested positive with 2 separate rapid tests that I got at Walgreens, and my girl tested negative. I have already turned a corner, but with my experience, you can still get Covid, it's going to be a miserable 48 hours and then it's gone. This is in comparison to my unvaccinated friends who felt the way I felt for 5-8 days. I still think the media is pushing the wrong narrative, because last night my fever was almost at 102, I had uncontrollable shaking/chills, bad diarrhea, and I did consider driving to the hospital at one point. Also, FUCK feeling like that for more than 12 hours. Vaccine - worth it.

[Edited on July 21, 2021 at 2:02 PM. Reason : .]

7/21/2021 1:57:00 PM

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"there is fuck all way to know if there are going to be long term side effects"

interesting. sounds kind of similar to a novel virus and not knowing long term side effects of the virus, aside from all the heart, lung, liver, etc damage that we already know about.

7/21/2021 2:02:02 PM

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"Anyone telling you otherwise is lying to sell something."

LOL. This is what is called a conspiracy theory. While this may be true for a select few, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of epidemiologists and other health care workers that are recommending the vaccine aren't selling (or getting) anything in return.

7/21/2021 2:31:32 PM

Big Brained Truth Tellers are both hilarious and sad at the same time

this dude is so bad at it

7/21/2021 3:13:16 PM

^^ I'm not saying selling in terms of monetary gain could just be the narrative.

@tree I've said I agree with that. What is novel about the virus? Coronas have been around forever. People under 40 have an even money decision to make. And with avoidance you don't have to get corona.

[Edited on July 21, 2021 at 4:42 PM. Reason : A ]

7/21/2021 4:41:20 PM

7/21/2021 4:56:48 PM

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"^^ I'm not saying selling in terms of monetary gain could just be the narrative. "

And I'm saying it's silly (and a conspiracy theory) to think this about the vast majority of epidemiologists and other health-care workers. They have no incentive to "sell a narrative". They're recommending what they think is the right thing to do for individuals and society.

7/21/2021 4:57:15 PM

but cael believes himself to be a member of a class of people with such high intelligence that expertise is obsolete

he is able to do his own research using whatever flimsy source he pleases because his superior intellect helps him detect the truth

7/21/2021 5:44:39 PM

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"I used to teach Bayes theorem and its results still surprise me! Here’s the type of diagram that usually helps it all make sense for me: https://t.co/A6toIcr5xe"

[Edited on July 21, 2021 at 5:51 PM. Reason : E]

7/21/2021 5:50:59 PM

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"but cael believes himself to be a member of a class of people with such high intelligence that expertise is obsolete "

More my past experience with risk and watching people maimed/killed when rushing out to try new to the market toys. Anything made by humans have bugs.

7/21/2021 6:47:51 PM

^^

...and that's why I don't wear a seatbelt.

7/21/2021 6:52:03 PM

lmao

7/21/2021 7:27:27 PM

This web page was provided to me by a family member who's using it to justify not getting vaccinated:

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/a-last-word-of-caution-to-all-those-pretending-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-toning-down

The author seems to argue that, since current vaccinations allow for breakthrough infections in the vaccinated population, we should end all mass vaccination efforts so that a more deadly vaccine-resistant virus doesn't develop.

I feel like this is weak justification for not getting vaccinated, since anyone in the vaccinated population who becomes infected likely becomes infected through close contact with someone in the unvaccinated population.

7/28/2021 8:52:31 AM

Thats like a military not increasing technology bc the enemy would respond by also increasing technology

This is a bad analogy but still

7/28/2021 9:36:09 AM

If this is true, it would definitely cause me to reassess my priors.

https://twitter.com/yabutaleb7/status/1420050096079712262

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"The game-changer was data officials reviewed yesterday showing that vaxxed ppl infected with delta have the same viral load as unvaxxed. Vaccinated are still far less likely to get seriously sick, but the data suggests they can transmit delta."

However, if my understanding is correct, higher viral load doesn't necessarily equate to higher viral shed.

[Edited on July 28, 2021 at 4:44 PM. Reason : ]

7/28/2021 4:32:17 PM

FDA needs to just approve the damn thing so stupid antivaxxers can stop calling it experimental. I get the strategy to use carrots before sticks, but it's time to drop the hammer and make life completely miserable/difficult for people too stupid to follow facts/science.

7/28/2021 4:55:27 PM

thats not convince the anti-vaxxers. it won't shut them up. they'll cling to whatever bullshit talking point they want regardless of logic or truth

[Edited on July 28, 2021 at 5:23 PM. Reason : being fda approved, i mean.]

7/28/2021 5:22:40 PM

^ yes.

These last couple years, with the help of social media, have shown me that there are a lot more selfish/ignorant/arrogant assholes out there than I really fathomed. And a lot of them are a lot dumber than I realized. It's actually been pretty disheartening, especially after I learned that this applies to some of my family/acquaintances. I mean, I knew some of them weren't the brightest, and I realized that many were jerks, but I really didn't grasp the extent of it.

7/28/2021 5:33:27 PM

it may not convince the hardcore anti-vaxxers, but it would certainly stop those who don’t consider themselves anti-vaxxers from being able to use it not being FDA-approved as an excuse

7/28/2021 5:40:04 PM

It would certainly be easier to mandate as well

7/28/2021 5:42:02 PM

Good read about why we should jump straight to authorization

https://www.slowboring.com/p/vaccine-fda-approve

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" After all, when you step back and think about it, the FDA approach to medications is at least a little bit odd. In many cases it’s perfectly legal to sell things that have no scientifically demonstrated medical benefits — that’s the whole world of unregulated supplements. And of course you can sell people things like beer, M&Ms, and cigars that everyone knows are harmful and have no offsetting medical benefits. Selling medicine is subject to a special, unusually high bar because we are trying to safeguard the public interest from a particular class of scam. For example, a company might come along with a $56,000 Alzheimer’s pill that doesn’t have any clear evidence of efficacy. If you want to try to sell a $56,000 dietary supplement, then that’s between you and your sucker customers. But there is a general presumption that programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and subsidized private insurance plans will cover authorized prescription medications. So there is a real opportunity to damage the public interest with scammy products here. And we need the FDA to protect us. Now as it happens in the case of this drug, the FDA isn’t protecting us. But that’s its function; that’s why we need a fussy scientific agency with a high bar for approval. But then in a crisis, you maybe want to be less fussy. Hence the FDA, rightly, was handing out EUAs like candy for various Covid treatments all throughout 2020. In the crisis, we don’t really worry that we might be wasting money on convalescent plasma. We don’t have rigorous evidence that it works, but there are some general medical science reasons to think that it might work. And if a patient and his doctor want to try it, it seems counterproductive to block them. If nothing else, letting the treatment move forward is a good way to gather more data. But the FDA rightly emphasizes that it is not actually endorsing convalescent plasma, just as the FDA does not endorse dietary supplements. They are saying that in light of the emergency, and given that there’s no widely available and clearly superior treatment, they’re not going to stop you from trying the experimental therapy. But that is not what doctors, scientists, and public officials say or believe about the vaccine. Everyone wants people to get the vaccine "

[Edited on July 28, 2021 at 6:38 PM. Reason : .]

7/28/2021 6:34:16 PM

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"These last couple years, with the help of social media, have shown me that there are a lot more selfish/ignorant/arrogant assholes out there than I really fathomed. And a lot of them are a lot dumber than I realized. It's actually been pretty disheartening, especially after I learned that this applies to some of my family/acquaintances. I mean, I knew some of them weren't the brightest, and I realized that many were jerks, but I really didn't grasp the extent of it."

Yep.

7/28/2021 7:08:44 PM

Update

I ended up transmitting the delta variant to my girl. She was out of town over the weekend, I got her from the airport Sunday night and she was sick Wednesday night after I was on Tuesday night. The incubation period seems to be very short with this variant. She finally turned a corner today, I started feeling better over the weekend. Fortunately neither of us had to be hospitalized, but it was pretty rough. So if you’re vaccinated, you can definitely get and contract the virus.

7/28/2021 7:14:38 PM

^ glad you're OK

And yes, people can still get COVID even if they're fully vaccinated, as you unfortunately learned firsthand. Still, breakthrough infections are relatively rare, and deaths/hospitalizations are even rarer.

The problem with trotting out a 94% vax efficacy for the alpha variant is that people round up to 100%, assuming there's zero chance they'll catch it. 6% isn't zero, though. Aside from that, the Delta variant isn't the same thing as what people were vaccinated against. It's likely that the vaccine prevented you from dying/being hospitalized, but unfortunately we'll never be able to know for sure, so again, glad you're OK and warning others to get vaccinated.

7/28/2021 8:15:08 PM

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"it may not convince the hardcore anti-vaxxers, but it would certainly stop those who don’t consider themselves anti-vaxxers from being able to use it not being FDA-approved as an excuse"

i hope you're right. i just think people that use the lack of FDA approval as an excuse are unlikely to change their mind after its approved. they'll find another BS narrative to support their anti-vax opinions. i'm painting with a broad brush and i'd like to be wrong.

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"It would certainly be easier to mandate as well"

that's a good point

7/29/2021 6:45:55 AM

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"The author seems to argue that, since current vaccinations allow for breakthrough infections in the vaccinated population, we should end all mass vaccination efforts so that a more deadly vaccine-resistant virus doesn't develop."

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1421093265210806272

Far-right conspiracy CNN arguing that as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/

Another conspiracy site catching up to data that was apparent 2 months ago.

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"One of the slides states that there is a higher risk among older age groups for hospitalization and death relative to younger people, regardless of vaccination status. Another estimates that there are 35,000 symptomatic infections per week among 162 million vaccinated Americans."

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"The document makes clear that vaccination provides substantial protection against the virus. But it also states that the CDC must “improve communications around individual risk among [the] vaccinated” because that risk depends on a host of factors, including age and whether someone has a compromised immune system."

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" I get the strategy to use carrots before sticks, but it's time to drop the hammer and make life completely miserable/difficult for people too stupid to follow facts/science."

Lets mandate things that don't work for populations not at risk--whats next pills that have heart disease risk to combat obesity in people not obese? At least we know who would man the fucking ovens. Do you hear yourself? Science is a process involving testing and updating with new data. Following science == waiting for clinical trials to end unless you're in a high risk group. Now it even seems like horseshit to the high risk population.

Maybe after the 4th or 5th booster you will feel safe. Pfizer execs can't have enough yachts with helicopters or too little accountability. Fucking industry kills more people than guns and cars combined.

7/30/2021 5:02:04 PM

when we have another shut down this winter solely because of stubborn people not getting vaccinated, who you will you blame instead?

7/30/2021 5:08:06 PM

TIL obesity is contagious

7/30/2021 5:08:41 PM

^^ It's transmitting at the same rate with vax and unvaxxed. It doesn't stop you transmitting or catching covid. That's been known at least a month. The argument was whether you should get the vax to save yourself and the hospitals from being overrun. If the vax doesn't stop you from transmitting it or stop serious complications and has some added minor risk (and who knows unknown risk). WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU GET IT or FORCE IT?

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"One of the slides states that there is a higher risk among older age groups for hospitalization and death relative to younger people, regardless of vaccination status. "

That has been apparent from Israel's data and the UK. The confusion was when Biden ran his ad campaign headlong into the brick wall of reality saying 99% of the cases are unvaccinated. That was only true if you included all cases this year, prior to the vax being widely available.


https://www.newsweek.com/leaky-vaccines-may-create-stronger-viruses-357575

News week article on leaky vaccines from 2015. Same reason you finish your antibiotics: to unsure all are killed. If you plate bacteria with a low solution of antibiotics and continue to replate the survivors they will be immune to the antibiotic in just a few generations. Seems like the same thing happens with virus particles.

[Edited on July 30, 2021 at 5:32 PM. Reason : a]

7/30/2021 5:24:03 PM

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"If the vax doesn't stop you from transmitting it or stop serious complications "

It obviously stops serious complications, what are you talking about? The majority of the people currently hospitalized for COVID are unvaccinated people

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" It's transmitting at the same rate with vax and unvaxxed. "

source? this might be the case for the delta variant, which is only thriving because we never stopped the original virus thanks to certain people


[Edited on July 30, 2021 at 5:48 PM. Reason : .]

7/30/2021 5:35:10 PM

Look through the CDC presentation linked in the Wapo article. Even some of the news articles reference that the vulnerable are being hospitalized and dying at the same rate. I quoted it above. The 99% unvaccinated hospitalized is only true if you include all people with covid prior to the vax being widely available.

Delta came from India and subsided in India with a 7% vax rate. Like will happen here, hopefully before they mandate a seventh anal booster to see a Marvel movie.

7/30/2021 5:59:53 PM

it's weird though, that the rate of new cases, hospitalizations, deaths, etc all significantly lowered over the last few months as millions of people got vaccinated. but now that we hit a wall with vaccination progress thanks to "muh freedoms" types, cases are surging again. hmm, what is the common variable in all of this.

7/30/2021 6:12:37 PM

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"It's transmitting at the same rate with vax and unvaxxed."

My understanding is that vaccinated people with breakthrough infections transmit at the same rate as unvaccinated people; however, since the number of breakthrough infections in vaccinated people is low, vaccinated people transmit at a much lower rate overall.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/health/covid-cdc-delta-masks.html

[Edited on July 30, 2021 at 6:30 PM. Reason : ]

7/30/2021 6:29:27 PM