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12/19/2021 1:55:27 PM

rwoody
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Epitome of the power Dems ethos "what are you gonna do, vote Republican??"

12/19/2021 6:58:33 PM

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"West Virginia is
50th in public health
50th in childcare
48th in employment

They support Build Back Better by a 43 point margin.

This has nothing to do with his constituents. This is about the corruption and self-interest of a coal baron."

-Omar

12/19/2021 7:11:17 PM

The Coz
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I also just learned yesterday that Heather Bresch is his daughter. If the name sounds familiar, she presided over Mylan as CEO during the height of the EpiPen price-gouging scandal. In other words, a real piece of work. . .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mylan

12/20/2021 5:06:28 AM

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Is this really surprising?

12/20/2021 1:07:45 PM

StTexan
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I’m not surprised

12/20/2021 11:17:11 PM

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The coal miners union has come out and said they want him to support the bill, so that may be enough to pressure him to do so.

12/21/2021 2:36:14 PM

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Don't count on it. He's already "done everything humanly possible" and he just can't get there.

12/21/2021 5:20:54 PM

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So that means if he eventually can get there, he's admitting to being non-human.

12/22/2021 11:22:24 AM

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Bttt

7/15/2022 12:40:43 AM

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Republicans: The Democrats are the Party of Elites.


Also Republicans: How dare the Democrats attempt to raise taxes on the über wealthy!

7/15/2022 2:54:26 AM

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This guy sucks.

7/15/2022 6:50:16 PM

The Coz
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He got the COVID.

7/25/2022 12:03:13 PM

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Credible as fuck.

7/28/2022 12:22:40 PM

The Coz
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COVID affected his brain.

7/28/2022 1:58:42 PM

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I only read an article and didn't find a "catch" so I'll give a tentative +1

Id love to know what changed

7/28/2022 3:01:40 PM

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GOP said CHIPS act was dead unless BBB was off the table. Manchin had signaled that BBB was dead, so CHIPS just passed the Senate.

As soon as that happened, Manchin put out a statement saying him and Schumer had worked out the Inflation Reduction Act which is essentially BBB. It includes a bunch of good shit like corporate minimum tax, 360 billion for climate change, more money for IRS enforcement, etc

Assuming Manchin doesn't pull his support of his own bill, he basically pulled one over on McConnell and this is the smartest legislative maneuver the Dems have done in decades.

7/28/2022 3:12:52 PM

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The timing on all this really suggests nothing changed and that it was all theater to fool the Republicans. Which is honestly pretty amazing.

7/28/2022 3:14:48 PM

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Thanks for that explanation

7/28/2022 3:15:47 PM

The Coz
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LOLs!

7/28/2022 4:26:47 PM

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Maaan... I almost don't believe that this was actually a game Dems played on Republicans. I think the timing is coincidental but that's all. Dems just.. ugh.. they just aren't that savvy. I'm way more inclined to believe the coincidence, however eerily timed, rather than Dems had a strong strategic play that worked.

It's just not how they operate, unfortunately.

7/29/2022 11:53:11 AM

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I mean releasing significant legislation the same day as thr votes are in for CHIPs is pretty telling.

7/29/2022 12:39:08 PM

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^^lol yeah

7/29/2022 2:28:13 PM

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^^ I disagree. They could have as easily waited a day or two days before announcing it. Announcing it the same day would serve no purpose other than to rub the agreement into the face of the republicans. I find it more plausible that the democrats didn't even consider the optics (good or bad) and announced as soon as an agreement was released, so it would be less likely to fall apart.

I've literally seen nothing from the democrats to suggest that they'd be capable of pulling off such an in-your-face strategic move like this.

7/29/2022 3:42:13 PM

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The catch
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"requires additional oil and gas leasing on millions of acres of federal land for a decade. "

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"will advance separate legislation this fall that streamlines the permitting process for energy infrastructure, including pipelines and export facilities."

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/28072022/senate-democrats-produce-a-far-reaching-climate-bill-but-the-price-of-compromise-with-joe-manchin-is-years-more-drilling-for-oil-and-gas/

8/1/2022 7:03:12 PM

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^both of those are good things that would advance energy independence during the energy transition.

8/1/2022 10:09:18 PM

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This bill isn't perfect but it a drastic improvement over current policies. NYT estimates it would double the reduction in our emissions vs current.

It would be a tragedy not to take this win.

8/2/2022 12:52:04 PM

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Can be a win while not being a 4d chess move. Just typical backroom dealing. Better than him voting no but sucks they have to give him anything.

8/2/2022 2:06:37 PM

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Lol okay.

8/2/2022 2:22:35 PM

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Lol

8/2/2022 2:24:24 PM

The Coz
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LOL

8/7/2022 9:07:49 AM

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Ha

8/7/2022 10:17:30 PM

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Manchin gets some credibility because he’s out on fox shilling and defending this thing very competently. The solar subsidies are big time too

8/7/2022 10:18:22 PM

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" Lol okay"


No shit.

What exactly in the hell do you guys want from WV (D)?

Also, I don’t always agree with him either (sometimes diverging to the left, and sometimes to the right), but I respect him and think that he largely defends his positions well. I get disagreement with him, but I can’t understand the ire and loathing the left has for him—never mind the idiocy of talking about primary-ing him or otherwise knifing him.

8/8/2022 12:11:01 AM

rwoody
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Weird to quote then bring a completely separate argument (presumably offline?)

As the farthest left remaining poster (I think) is a hope he serves for another 40 year, or until WV swings left for some reason, whichever comes first. He's a necessary evil but I'd prefer to have a couple more D senators to get him out of the negotiation loop.

8/8/2022 12:28:25 AM

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I don't think it's a separate argument at all.

Sorta like I don't--and don't think that you should--view him as a necessary evil, but a miraculous fluke.

8/10/2022 5:09:28 PM

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He's both

8/10/2022 6:47:22 PM

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"but I respect him"


Why?

8/10/2022 11:56:45 PM

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