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Go banana!

11/26/2022 5:44:42 PM

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Fuck tOSU!

Fuck Clemson!

11/26/2022 6:52:11 PM

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Lots of craziness today

11/26/2022 10:09:48 PM

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Georgia and Michigan are in regardless of last game.
LSU now out.

If TCU and USC both win that will be the 4. If one lose assuming tOSU will then slot in. If both lose does Alabama get back into the picture?

11/27/2022 7:14:33 AM

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If either TCU or USC lose close then I think they might still make it over a 2 loss Bama or a OSU that just got smacked by 22 points at home.

Not sure how it’ll shake it out, but I’d rather see 1 loss TCU or 2 loss USC over Bama. This Bama team just isnt that good. They haven’t really beaten anybody. Their best win is @Texas? Not sure how it’ll shake out. We’ll see!

Clemson is not even close to a top 4 team. But 2 loss Clemson with an ACC title is more deserving than Bama imo

[Edited on November 27, 2022 at 8:15 AM. Reason : A]

11/27/2022 8:01:10 AM

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Clemson and Bama should both be decidedly out now. TCU should be in regardless of what happens this upcoming week. Honestly, probably the same with USC. Pretty cut and dry top 4 at this point.

There would have been some drama had Clemson not shit the bed against baby beamer, but they did. Makes this one nice and easy.

All that said, i would 100% not be surprised if Alabama sneaked in if one or both of those teams lose just because of the ridiculous SEC bias that persists

11/27/2022 10:11:26 AM

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^ yeah I agree

11/27/2022 10:29:58 AM

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I don't think this will happen, but with parity (or a down year depending on how you want to spin it) finally showing up in the SEC.

Say Michigan, TCU, and USC all win their conference title games, and say Georgia loses by 10 or more to LSU does a 1 loss Ohio State get in over Georgia?

I don't think this will happen but will Boo Corrigan stick it to the SEC if given opportunity.

11/29/2022 8:34:33 AM

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Nah, Georgia and Michigan are in regardless of what happens

11/29/2022 9:00:48 AM

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Yeah UGa and Mich are in no matter what. TCU might even be in no matter what.

I think it’s a different discussion if Clemson only has 1 loss. Or if OSU lost close to Mich. Or even if LSU hadn’t lost to TAMU last week. But the way everything shook out, I just can’t see a scenario where UM and UGa aren’t locks. And maybe even TCU but they definitely don’t have the name brand or the impressive wins that UGa and UM have.

11/29/2022 9:29:05 AM

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USC lost to Utah, 47 to 24. So I guess they are probably out.

TCU loses in overtime by a field goal.

12/3/2022 4:00:29 PM

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Pretty messed up that USC will be out for actually playing a game, while tOSU would get in by just sitting at home even though they got blown out in the 4th quarter of their last game.

12/3/2022 4:16:41 PM

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Setting up a push for 8 teams, power 5 champs plus 3 at-large.

12/3/2022 5:08:31 PM

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it will be 12 teams starting in 2024

12/3/2022 5:49:43 PM

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^^^ sorta messed up I agree but if TCU were to get left out that’s far more fucked up imo.

12/3/2022 6:44:02 PM

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It's wild to me that people think Alabama still has a shot, but Clemson is already eliminated. God college football is so dumb.

12/3/2022 7:43:17 PM

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lmao at Drake Maye getting sacked to the ground, while simultaneously getting a facemask penalty on him

12/3/2022 9:18:01 PM

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My God I can't believe people are still dropping the ball that close


Also Drake Maye is a star

12/3/2022 10:40:24 PM

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^yeah, I was thinking about players dropping the ball on that close a play. Why risk it? Especially at the sidelines. If you were in between the hash marks, a teammate could potentially pick it up and score. But they are young players.

12/3/2022 10:56:05 PM

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Also looked like the guy was literally about to die

12/3/2022 11:04:51 PM

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" It's wild to me that people think Alabama still has a shot, but Clemson is already eliminated. God college football is so dumb.
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Feels like I’ve seen a lot of media dismiss Clemson all year. And we can all agree that this is not a team that is gonna beat Michigan or Georgia. They’d probably lose pretty handily in the CFP semifinal to whoever they played. Clemson won’t make the playoff and they should not make it this year. But people were dismissing Clemson as a CFP contender after the ND loss. It was weird. At a certain point it doesn’t matter if you look great, if you win the games in front of you then you deserve to make it. Obviously losing to South Carolina spoiled their CFP hopes. It just feels like there’s been a national fatigue of Clemson (among fans and media) that isn’t really there for Alabama or Ohio State. It’s kinda odd to me. I don’t know if it’s an anti-ACC thing or anti-Dabo thing or what. I don’t really like defending Clemson but it’s been weird to see them be an after thought pretty much all year, when they shouldn’t have been out of the CFP discussion prior to the SC loss.

Semi related but kinda not related. I think 4 is just a bad number for a playoff.

[Edited on December 4, 2022 at 9:48 AM. Reason : A]

12/4/2022 9:47:36 AM

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Even with the SC loss, Clemson's actual body of work is better than Alabama's. Like decidedly better. It's just ridiculous that the talking heads keep bringing up an Alabama team whose best win is worse than Clemson's and has comparable losses. Plus Clemson has more wins against teams in the CFP rankings.

But Alabama plays in the SEC (despite the fact that they had an incredibly easy schedule this year and lost to the only 2 good teams they played in conference) and Clemson plays in the 2nd tier ACC (despite the fact that beat a bunch of ranked conference foes.) It's just tiring to continue to see the ridiculous bias ESPN and the like give to the SEC.

12/4/2022 12:03:01 PM

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The SEC is usually the best conference by far. So when the constant SEC slurping occurs, it at least is defensible. But the SEC is not that good this year. It’s maybe the worst it’s been in many years. But that doesn’t stop the dick sucking.

Also kinda funny the Bama remains ranked ahead of Tennessee when they both have 2 losses and Tennessee won head to head.

12/4/2022 12:10:04 PM

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Bama not making it is 100% correct. And them being 5th largely doesn’t matter. But it is funny to me that they finished 2nd in their division…losing their division to a non-CFP team, and they’re the first team out lol. In other words, Bama is at best 4th in the SEC. And they’re the first team out.

12/4/2022 12:32:37 PM

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THANKS BOO

12/4/2022 12:44:31 PM

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10/5/22 - Bama loses to #6 Tenn 52-49
11/5/22 - Bama loses to #10 LSU 32-31

11/5/22 - Clemson loses to unranked ND 35-14
11/26/22 - Clemson loses to unranked SC 31-30

Point totals and in-season rankings don't mean everything, but a 2 loss Alabama still has a good case to be an at large in the CFP.

12/4/2022 2:14:55 PM

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Current ranking is all that matters. Not opponents ranking at the time of the game. ND is ranked. LSU is not ranked 10.

Besides discussing which losses were quality or not, Who did Bama beat? Texas with a hurt Ewers? Who you beat matters every bit as much as who you lost to (or more).

Bama 100% didn’t deserve to get in. Clemson did not either. The committee got the top 4 right. But I don’t see how an Alabama team that basically finished 4th in the SEC (I only say “basically” since I’m talking overall standings and that’s not really an official thing with divisions) has anything close to a good case.

12/4/2022 2:27:50 PM

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Yeah i just think it's hilarious that Alabama is 5. Like they aren't anywhere close to the 5th best team in the country.

Also yeah, Alabama's best win is 1 point over a hobbled Texas team.
Clemson over FSU was better. Plus they beat us and UNC, which are all just as good as Alabama's best wins.

12/4/2022 2:31:09 PM

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I think the ACC suffers from its traditional powers not carrying their weight. We are a top 25 team. A win over us (or unc) is a quality win. But because we don’t have the name recognition of Miami or VT or FSU it may get dismissed as not a quality win. I’m not arguing that the ACC is a juggernaut conference. But i think the overall perception of the conference suffers when the bigger name teams struggle, even if non-traditional football powers do have on field success they don’t get the same benefit of the doubt that the name programs do.

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11/5/22 - Bama loses to #10 LSU 32-31
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FSU beat LSU. Clemson beat FSU. Maybe LSU was just overrated?

12/4/2022 2:38:25 PM

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So to further the point. Final CFP rankings are out and Bamas two losses are to @#6 and @#17. Clemson’s two losses are to #@21 and #19. Bama beat #20 and #22. Clemson beat #23 and @#13. Based purely on resume, there’s not a big gap

[Edited on December 4, 2022 at 3:06 PM. Reason : A]

12/4/2022 3:04:52 PM

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^^ there's probably 5 teams that you could use about 50 different scenarios to make the case for the #4 or 5 team in the CFP. Perhaps LSU was overrated during the season. They did lose to FSU in the first game of the season for both teams. The first college game might as well be a preseason game, unless you choose a tune-up team, like App State, and kick the living shit out of them. [Don't get triggered, people. It's a joke from a movie.]

edit. I do think the committee got the top 4 right this year, although USC got screwed over tOSU by having to face one more opponent.

[Edited on December 4, 2022 at 3:20 PM. Reason : J]

12/4/2022 3:17:53 PM

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It’s a fools errand to draw too much from that first game, I agree. But you can’t ignore the result either. Especially considering both teams went on to have good seasons. It’s not like FSU beat LSU and then FSU cratered.

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there's probably 5 teams that you could use about 50 different scenarios to make the case for the #4 or 5 team in the CFP"


Ehh. Maybe 5 teams that you could argue as #5. But i don’t think anybody besides Ohio State has a legit argument at #4. They lost 1 game all year and it was to #2!

I said it earlier. But 4 teams is just a bad number. 6 or 8 or 12 is better than 4. 2 might even be better than 4.

12/4/2022 3:26:17 PM

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4 is a fine number imo. There's rarely, if ever more than 4 teams who should be in the conversation for best team. Making the playoffs bigger just devalues the regular season.

In a 12 team playoff, Alabama gets a home playoff game against a likely conference champion from a smaller conference. That doesn't seem right or fair.

12/4/2022 3:39:25 PM

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I think there’s rarely more than 2 teams deserving. Sometimes 3. But the distinction between 4 and 5 and 6 is usually tougher I think. And it makes no sense to cap it at 4 when there are 5 power conferences. Which is why it seems like more than 4 is better than exactly 4. And I like 12 because it actually means a team like State has an outside shot of actually making it. One annoying thing about the CFP is that it dominates the conversation. Watching the State/VT game and they’re talking about CFP scenarios. At least 12 teams is more inclusive and opens the door to more teams (including G5) being a part of that conversation. As it is, we talk about the same 5 or 6 teams every year with the occasional TCU or Washington or Michigan State thrown in. With a 12 team field, sure you’ll get the fatigue of a down Clemson or down Bama making it regardless…but you’ll also get teams like NC State, Kansas State, etc playing potentially significant and meaningful games in October. I’d also like to see the P5 conference champ get an auto bid.

I do understand the argument that it devalues the regular season. But if you have homefield advantage and a bye on the line, that’s pretty important stakes too.

[Edited on December 4, 2022 at 4:11 PM. Reason : A]

12/4/2022 4:10:39 PM

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The 12 team model is inherently flawed when an undefeated G5 team will 100% always have to play a true road game against a power conference opponent. It doesn't really solve any of the issues that a 4 team playoff has.

12/4/2022 4:28:24 PM

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^ Not necessarily. Highest ranking conference champs get the top 4 spots, so it's possible (albeit unlikely) that if a G5 team is ranked better than 7+ of the other conference champs they could make it. Per an article in The Athletic, since the BCS era, only G5 conference champ in the top 4 was Cincy in 2020...

https://theathletic.com/3565760/2022/09/05/college-football-playoff-12-teams-bcs/ (paywalled)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11Q7ny7vj2SsfynkEF6sIrJOSbS45D1w6COvaB89ch1Q/edit#gid=0 (season-by-season results via above article, not paywalled)

[Edited on December 4, 2022 at 4:43 PM. Reason : ed]

12/4/2022 4:42:45 PM

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Yeah so the 12 team playoff is really no better for g5 than the 4 team.

Unless you consider a token road game replacing a bowl game as better.

12/4/2022 4:45:57 PM

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Uhh, no? The first 4 get a bye, then 12 plays 5, 11 plays 6, 10 plays 7, and 8 plays 9. They get a shot at the natty, AND a (relatively) winnable game to get to the next round.

12/4/2022 5:26:12 PM

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If all we’re doing is trying to pick the 1 best team from the regular season, then sure it doesn’t help. But I’m not sure if any postseason format in most sports truly does that. Imo it is more entertaining because it’s more games and it’s more inclusive because there’s more teams. and guaranteeing a spot to the G5 is inherently more inclusive than the current setup. I’m not sure what the money payouts would be, so whether it works out to being better for a G5 or not on the money side of things I do not know.

If all we want to do is create a scenario in which the two best teams play, then the BCS is as good as anything. But if the goal is create an entertainment product (for the sake of crowning a champ) with more meaningful games (both regular season and postseason) then a larger field will be accomplish that. Bowl games, even the big name non CFP bowl games, are glorified exhibitions. This gives more games stakes.

12/4/2022 7:29:02 PM

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Look, a 12 team playoff does not make regular season games more meaningful. It just doesn't. In a 12 team playoff you get a bunch of teams who lost 2,3, maybe 4 games. But they get in because they're in the b1g/sec and have their strength of schedule inflated by overhyped preseason rankings. I am already pretty checked out on non-state football games, so i can say for sure that i won't watch most if not all of these (as i already do with non-state bowl games)

12/4/2022 8:01:43 PM

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In a 4 team playoff you go into the regular season with about 7 teams that realistically expect to make the playoffs. Sometimes those expectations are misplaced and a surprise team makes it. But in a 12 team playoff, you go into the regular season with 25+ teams realistically capable of making it. Obviously all those teams do not have a shot to actually win the whole thing. But that’s not really the point.

In a 12 team playoff almost every top 25 game in November could have playoff implications…a loss knocking a team out, a win pushing a team closer to the top 12. By expanding the field it expands the number of significant games. That seems kinda obvious. And as far as rendering games a few games meaningless…there’s still homefield advantage to play for and byes. And we just witness 3 conference title games where the result had no impact on a team making the CFP and I’m sure ratings and interest didn’t suffer.

You’re right that 3 loss teams will make it. I get why that’s not ideal. I just think the trade off is worth it.

12/4/2022 8:21:16 PM

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justin makes it sound like the new format will just be an entire bracket of 8-4 teams

12/4/2022 8:56:29 PM

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1. Georgia 2. Michigan 3. Kansas State 4. Clemson
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12. Tulane at 5. TCU
11. USC at 6. Ohio State
10 Penn State at 7 Alabama
9. Utah at 8 Tennessee"


By my quick count that’s 4 preseason unranked teams making the CFP in this 12 team scenario. And the worst record is a couple of 10-3 conference champs. Seems ok to me. Idk.

12/4/2022 9:17:23 PM

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^^ it will be

12 SEC teams

12/4/2022 10:34:18 PM

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^will make it especially funny when Texas A&M still doesn’t make it

12/5/2022 6:01:23 AM

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I think Saban made an ass of himself, basically begging to be let in at halftime of the B1G 10 Championship game.

The ACC is never going to get respect in the conversation because we are predominantly on the Southeast Coast and overlap with the SEC. So they view us as the annoying little brother. They really view us as Clemson and a bunch of basketball schools, some of that has to do with stadium size when you have C-F that seats ~57K vs SEC stadiums that seat 80K+ its hard to compare the gameday experience even though they are similar.

I think the committee got it right, if USC's QB doesn't get hurt then maybe tOSU doesn't get in.

UGA would be tough for any team, but if tOSU gets healthy it could be a good game. Georgia picked up a couple of offensive injuries against LSU so who knows their status.

12/5/2022 8:24:31 AM

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To be fair, I think the ACC was the worst P5 conference this year. So it’s fine that it is the “little brother” to the SEC. But I think other factors (like what ^ mentioned, among others) makes the gap seem even larger than it may be in reality.

12/5/2022 9:17:00 AM

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“Since I am not very tough, and (Mike) Leach is glad I am leaving, I will be entering the portal with the hopes of finding a more fit playing environment for me.”"

12/8/2022 11:25:29 AM

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Lol

12/8/2022 12:07:53 PM

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so he is going to Texas A&M right

12/8/2022 12:58:56 PM

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