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Matt Rhule
Lane Kiffin
Dana Bible


BBall
Rick Barnes
Gregg Marshall
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Scott Wood

10/17/2022 2:44:15 PM

Top Coaching Prospects
football
Matt Rhule
Lane Kiffin
Dana Bible


BBall
Rick Barnes
Gregg Marshall
Tom Gugliotta
Scott Wood
Chris Corchiani is first movie next coach

10/17/2022 3:15:21 PM

Bill cowher

10/17/2022 3:17:17 PM

Me, for both

10/17/2022 3:37:38 PM

Bill Belichick

Phil Jackson

10/17/2022 4:18:24 PM

Two coaches that can't win without their superstars? Pass

10/17/2022 4:40:49 PM

Top Coaching Prospects
football
Mike O'Cain
Chuck Amato
Tom O'Brien


BBall
Les Robinson
Herb Sendek
Sidney Lowe
Mark Gottfried

10/17/2022 4:53:16 PM

Yall posting in a clown thread

10/17/2022 4:59:15 PM

What penalties?!

10/18/2022 7:10:49 AM

Saw that the head coach for Drake may be a target, DARIAN DEVRIES.

[Edited on October 25, 2022 at 11:44 AM. Reason : h]

10/25/2022 11:43:47 AM

Hodge

When we hungry, we eat!

3/9/2025 10:14:38 AM

Gainey?

3/9/2025 10:43:11 AM

Bill belichick

3/9/2025 11:09:09 AM

Fucking angry that I just had to see Matt Rhule’s name listed itt.

3/9/2025 11:22:45 AM

Ok, don't flame me....but after we lose out on all the obvious up and comers, what about: Bobby Hurley.

a) Its been so long, the average State fan might not even know why they are supposed to hate him.

b) Our fans would fucking love his attitude.

c) Another coach (who's name escapes me) did pretty well getting us to the tournament when he coached here, and then went to ASU and had similarly rough results to Hurley. Maybe an east coast program like ours is just the spot for Hurley to get over the hump.

d) And since Jon Scheyer seems to have the Duke job well in hand, we don't have to worry about Hurley bouncing to Duke the moment he shows any sliver of success in the ACC.

3/9/2025 5:36:54 PM

Hard pass on Bobby Hurley.

Also Justin Gainey would be incredibly dumb to come here. He's pretty much guaranteed the Tennessee job when Barnes retires and they have way more money than us.

3/9/2025 5:40:19 PM

Why are we so poor? I thought we have like lots of engineers and IT grads...shouldn't we be loaded with $ ?

3/9/2025 5:54:56 PM

^^ Given his short tenure, is he really that much of a shoe-in to replace Barnes? Plus, they ain't gonna pay Barnes' salary out of the gate if he did get the job. He could come here now and probably get 2mil a year easy.


^I don't think we are that poor. People like to compare us to the absolute top level schools for some reason (like Duke). The revenue potential is there to be top 25 regularly though. We're still top 20 in attendance (well, ticket sales).

[Edited on March 9, 2025 at 5:58 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2025 5:58:05 PM

I’d rather swing for the fences even if it’s a gamble on an inexperienced guy than settle for a fall back like Hurley or I saw somebody else mention Chris Collins.

If we’re gonna commit the resources then give me Wade.

3/9/2025 7:59:19 PM

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"Plus, they ain't gonna pay Barnes' salary out of the gate if he did get the job. He could come here now and probably get 2mil a year easy."

Not really talking about coaching salary, I'm talking about NIL budget. Tennessee and pretty much the rest of the SEC make us look like peasants when it comes to NIL. But also, Tennessee could easily match any coaching salary we would offer. Yeah he's only been at Tennessee 4 years but he's the #1 assistant.

I think Gainey would be a good hire for NC State. I do not think NC State is a good job from his POV.

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"People like to compare us to the absolute top level schools for some reason (like Duke). The revenue potential is there to be top 25 regularly though"

People like to compare us to the absolute top level because that's what people expect in terms of results. We are at the bottom end of p5 schools in regards to donor support so expecting top 25 results without the financial support is crazy. We aren't anywhere near the level of money needed to field a consistent top 25 team.

3/9/2025 7:59:40 PM

90% sure it’s will wade

3/9/2025 8:25:59 PM

I thought about calling you out earlier to see what you knew

3/9/2025 8:34:08 PM

I have a hard time believing Wade would come without us committing significant resources to basketball. So. I’ll take this as a sign that we’re actually willing to up our commitment. Rev sharing, NIL, whatever….lets do it. Spend to win.

3/9/2025 8:55:57 PM

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"We are at the bottom end of p5 schools in regards to donor support"

Based on what?

3/9/2025 9:41:03 PM

^^ that type of support system will be in place for the new hire.

Wade and Odom top Candidates. I’d eagerly take Wade and let Odom go to UVA.

Wades show clause soon to be up if not already.

I don’t think we fire Keatts if it’s not Wades gig.

3/9/2025 9:54:14 PM

Woulda been cool for Kk to have that level of support after winning a fucking title.

3/9/2025 10:08:36 PM

Lol so we're just going to magically increase our NIL budget a minimum of 2-3 times what it currently is. Sure ok

3/9/2025 10:12:33 PM

Does a show-cause even mean anything anymore if he's been coaching McNeese under it the last two years? Didn't they play in the tourney last year too? LOL.

3/9/2025 10:13:21 PM

He got the show cause after he was hired there. It runs out in June. If we hired him, the recruiting restrictions would follow him and be in effect until then.

https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/1671914845099130881?t=jIWJBQs6UchYhsGk9irAfw&s=19

These are the restrictions. The ones still applicable are: no off-campus recruiting and a reduction in the number of official visits allowed by 4. Probably not the best thing for a new staff to not be able to recruit off-campus for the first 3.5 months on the job.

3/9/2025 10:34:26 PM

we need a coaching staff comprised of:

Bob Valvano
Sidney Lowe Jr
Melanie Sendek
KJ Keatts

3/9/2025 10:56:33 PM

Why not one of Herb's daughters? Or a grandchild?

3/9/2025 11:40:15 PM

Quote :

"Quote : "We are at the bottom end of p5 schools in regards to donor support" Based on what?"

"NC State is not widely seen as a top athletics spender; industry chatter has been that the Wolfpack will be one of the few high-major schools not to go up to the limit on revenue sharing once that becomes official later this summer." - Brendan Marks, The Athletic

[Edited on March 10, 2025 at 8:05 AM. Reason : quote]

3/10/2025 8:05:04 AM

Despite his Keatts connections, I'd love to see Joel Justus back. Wade also seems to be a good choice.

3/10/2025 8:11:01 AM

^^ yeah that’s why the Wade stuff is surprising to me. Wade could hold out for a bigger job or a job that’s willing to spend more. Barring a major change in our willingness to spend, I don’t really get why Wade would agree to come here. Obviously our funding is gonna be a step up from Mcneese. But it feels like he could position himself for a more high profile job than State.

3/10/2025 8:25:38 AM

Industry chatter? Are there any actual sources saying anything about real numbers? If we aren't fully funding, then it seems like a bunch of schools with similar budgets would be right there with us (e.g. Georgia Tech). I just find it hard to believe that Bobby Purcell was winning awards for fundraising 15 years ago, and now we're the absolute bottom of the high-majors.

Also, this is clearly talking about the total revenue sharing. We definitely are not close to the top 25 teams in football. Basketball is a completely different story.

3/10/2025 10:24:06 AM

There’s kinda two separate things. At least how I understand it. There’s NIL, which is a bad system of making the fans foot the bill for paying players. But that’s the current form of player compensation and whether it’s apathetic fans or poor fundraising or both, by all accounts we are not near the top of the acc. I don’t think we’re at the bottom. But very middle of the pack it seems. And definitely behind the SEC in that department.

And the other thing is the revenue sharing that’s starting this year. Thats money that the university has and can spend up to a cap of $20.5 million on athlete compensation but it sounds like we aren’t willing to go to that cap for whatever reason. I guess admin has decided that other budget items are more important than paying the players to the max amount. You can guarantee that the B1G and SEC schools will spend to the cap. And the big ACC brands will too. It doesn’t matter that Texas makes way more money in revenue than State, there’s still a cap on what can be spent. And if we want to be competitive we’re gonna need to spend to the cap and supplement with NIL.

Some other schools have released their intended distribution of revenue sharing funds. We have not. So yeah, it’s all hearsay at this point. But it seems to come from credible sources and not anonymous message board posters


[Edited on March 10, 2025 at 10:58 AM. Reason : H]

Another edit: the other thing with revenue sharing is that there’s plenty of basketball only schools that won’t need to share revenue with football (Big East schools for example) so that gives them a leg up on somebody like us that is not spending to the max and also divvying it up with a huge chunk going to football

[Edited on March 10, 2025 at 11:00 AM. Reason : S]

3/10/2025 10:55:19 AM

Sounds like Odom may be our top target instead of Wade? And I think we are near the middle of the pack in spending for the ACC...apparently this years number was a little under $2.5 mil

3/10/2025 11:28:29 AM

^^ I don't know if I trust a UNC grad journalist as a credible source .

Also, the Big East revenue is a joke now -- a really bad joke. There was some article a while back pointing out a single Big10 school gets more tv money than the entire Big East conference. Individual team/sport numbers are tough b/c everyone besides UConn is private....but quick googling puts our bball revenue (19.5mil for FY24) within $100k of UConn (19.6 mil for FY24).

I'm sure UConn has better NIL money right now, but unless we are planning to short-change basketball to try and prop up football, we should be able to be pretty competitive in the revenue sharing era.

[Edited on March 10, 2025 at 11:45 AM. Reason : ^^]

3/10/2025 11:45:17 AM

Well I think everybody is short changing basketball in favor of football because football has bigger rosters and is a bigger revenue driver. Texas Tech released their estimated figures and they were allotting 74% to football, and 18% to men’s basketball. That might be a little football heavy compared to what we are willing to commit. But ours definitely won’t be a 50/50 kind of allotment. VCU or somebody like that probably won’t be able to spend to the $20.5M cap. But by committing $0 to football, they probably won’t be far off (or maybe even ahead) of our basketball budget.

Google says UConn’s entire athletic dept revenue was over $100M in 2024. Our was $113M according to the same google result. Uconn has football, but will surely be able to devote way less to football than we will. They’ll definitely have a higher basketball budget than us. Strictly looking at basketball revenue doesn’t really reveal a lot.

3/10/2025 12:43:31 PM

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"Are there any actual sources saying anything about real numbers? "

The are no actual sources of real numbers for NIL because none of it is subject to public records law because NIL is by design not actually associated with universities. All you're ever going to get is hearsay and secondhand info.

Now this revenue sharing will be public information (at least for public universities) but there's no way to get specific NIL numbers.

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"Individual team/sport numbers are tough b/c everyone besides UConn is private....but quick googling puts our bball revenue (19.5mil for FY24) within $100k of UConn (19.6 mil for FY24)."

You are missing the point here. Revenue is not correlated with NIL budget. The school isn't the one paying players.

3/10/2025 12:57:31 PM

^ Nah, you're missing the point. The NCAA is expected to allow revenue share in addition to NIL next year. So the school will be paying the players in addition to the NIL deals. We are far better off in the basketball revenue rankings than we are in football. So, unless we shortchange basketball (i.e. don't give basketball 22% of their revenue to share with athletes) we should be pretty competitive. And it sounds like our NIL is middle of the road in the ACC already, and with a new coach will probably get a bump. Really confused why you're so pessimistic on this without citing numbers, who the hell are you listening to?


^^ I'm not following your math. Are you suggesting UConn and VCU will take away from their other revenue sports to allocate a larger share to basketball? I highly doubt that as the leadership in those other sports would lose their minds. And VCU's budget is so much smaller than ours, that our basketball revenue share alone could match their entire athletic department revenue share ( they're projecting to only share 4-5mil across all teams).

[Edited on March 10, 2025 at 1:40 PM. Reason : .]

3/10/2025 1:39:06 PM

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"I'm not following your math. Are you suggesting UConn and VCU will take away from their other revenue sports to allocate a larger share to basketball? I highly doubt that as the leadership in those other sports would lose their minds. And VCU's budget is so much smaller than ours, that our basketball revenue share alone could match their entire athletic department revenue share ( they're projecting to only share 4-5mil across all teams)."

What other sports generate much revenue at VCU? I’m just using them as an example. Softball or tennis or whatever aren’t generating much revenue in the first place. I’m totally guessing in regards to VCU. But if VCU is saying they want to spend in the $4M range, wouldn’t they want to commit like 85%+ of that to men’s basketball? Since that’s their best sport and they don’t have football to worry about. UConn is probably a unique example since they are independent in football and also place such an emphasis on women’s basketball. I have no clue what their distribution might be.

But yeah it’s not a 1 for 1 thing. It’s not, basketball brings in X revenue so let’s share X (or a portion of X) with the basketball players. Football brings in Y, so the football team gets Y. It’s $20.5M max across all sports to be divvied up in any way the school wants. There may be some legal stipulations that would prevent a school from taking all $20.5M and going all in on one sport. And obviously not every school is going to spend to max of $20.5M. I’m sure in my example VCU would fall well below that max.

At least that’s my understanding. So in the Texas Tech example, if they’re committing to spending to the $20.5M max, then they’re saying football gets 74% ($15M), men’s basketball gets 18% ($3.7M), etc.

[Edited on March 10, 2025 at 1:49 PM. Reason : G]

3/10/2025 1:46:27 PM

^ I think VCU is actually a little bit of an outlier, it seems like half their money comes from student fees. But they already came out saying they're only doing 4-5mil total. And they do have meaningful revenue sports besides men's bball (like women's bball appears to be 4mil vs men's 7mil).

The Texas Tech example falls almost perfectly in line with what I'm saying though. I'm betting most schools are likely to split along existing revenue ratios (otherwise they are gonna have internal political shitshows and run right into the quickly snowballing Title IX question).

TT's BBall bball revenue is 16.7mil. 22% of that is 3.674mil, aka ~3.7mil.

3/10/2025 2:11:59 PM

Ok I see what you’re saying. I was misunderstanding how you were arriving at those numbers but I get it now

3/10/2025 2:18:06 PM

Regardless of money, we have a clear ace in the hole: tww sports talk. Coaches can check our boards after each game (or during!) for valuable feedback on how "they suck" and "their plays are bad", all for free and with slightly less racism than pack pride!

[Edited on March 10, 2025 at 2:21 PM. Reason : R]

3/10/2025 2:21:15 PM

Free premie subscription for the new coach?

3/10/2025 3:17:46 PM

^ Now, that's a "strong-ass offer."

3/10/2025 3:35:54 PM

Probably not gonna realistically hear anything other than rumors for a couple weeks. Odom is already in the NCAAT. Wade will be if McNeese wins their conference tourney and they are the 1 seed.

3/10/2025 4:06:59 PM

Yeah, coaching search timing sucks. Hopefully the carousel is pretty calm this year. Apparently there's some smoke about Texas getting rid of their coach too. There is no question they would crush us in a bidding war, lol. Though they are starting to risk looking like a coach destroying machine. Barnes and Smart are both doing well at their new schools. And Chris Beard...well, he's still Chris Beard.

3/10/2025 4:35:14 PM

I guess the exception would be somebody like Justin Gainey that’s not a head coach. But even his season is still going on and could for a while. Don’t know how seriously we’d look at a coach without head coach experience. But Miami just hired Lucas from Duke’s staff and their season is still ongoing.

3/10/2025 5:13:52 PM