Yeah, pretty much.

I'd even go a step further, and suggest that I'm not convinced he's even that great of a recruiter. At least not great enough to overcome his coaching deficiencies.. he's got a long hole to climb out of. I hope he does, im just not holding my breath.

4/1/2014 5:07:06 PM

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4/1/2014 5:08:39 PM

Lol at the last 20 or so posts

4/1/2014 5:51:46 PM

So, just curious about everyone's views/ideas.

If we win no conference games what happens to Doeren, the coaching staff, Debbie Yow, and the team?

If we win 1-3 conference games, what happens?

If we win 4+ conference games, what happens?

If we (by some chance of God and luck) win every conference game, what happens?

4/1/2014 6:03:29 PM

fired after this year
fired after next year if repeats
fired in 2-3 years b/c it wont be good enough
leaves after this year for a better job

This is NC State.. come on..

4/1/2014 6:09:27 PM

0 and I'm ok with firing him.
1 I'd be ok, but we could be like 5-7 with just one conf win so I think he'd just be on a real hot seat
2-3 is what I expect so.. Probably a bowl game and nothing would happen
4-5 would be awesome, maybe 7-8-9 wins. Still nothing would happen
6-8 isn't happening, unless Jacoby is some sort of monster and the uf coaches are retarded. Still nothing, but probably a raise

[Edited on April 1, 2014 at 6:27 PM. Reason : This isn't recruiting]

4/1/2014 6:24:46 PM

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"I'd even go a step further, and suggest that I'm not convinced he's even that great of a recruiter. At least not great enough to overcome his coaching deficiencies.. he's got a long hole to climb out of. I hope he does, im just not holding my breath."

No matter who our coach was last year, he was gonna be in a big hole. The cupboard was bare.

And unless he goes 0-8 again, I really don't see him being fired next year. You gotta at least give a guy a chance.

4/1/2014 7:08:24 PM

I agree. He needs at least 16 chances to win an ACC game.

4/1/2014 7:49:51 PM

He hasn't shown to be a great recruiter yet, nor a very good one. He has done well putting together a large class that gives a few great potential players and good shots across the board to give solid depth.

But that's all hypothetical and projecting and shit, and all I know is this mug goes for it on 4th down on his own 26 or something, and ain't won a single game in conference.

this year, if he wins 0 games in conference, fired. if he wins 1 game, fired.

2-4 WTNY, maybe even 2

5+ i retract all my bullshit from this past season, dude might be our long term answer at coach. Debbie gives a 4 year extension.


[Edited on April 1, 2014 at 7:57 PM. Reason : 51 freshmen and sophomores. gives leeway with > 2 wins, but jesus i have no confidence we can do it]

4/1/2014 7:55:27 PM

Calm down guys. We have Wake and BC at home. We WILL win 1 conference game.

4/1/2014 8:08:20 PM

Pete fucking Thomas and Brandon Mitchell were our QBs last year. Of course we didn't win any conference games.

Calm down a bit.

4/1/2014 8:15:58 PM

oh yes lets assume Jacoby Brissett will be good enough to lead us to ACC wins

[Edited on April 1, 2014 at 8:46 PM. Reason : maybe he will do better this spring game]

[Edited on April 1, 2014 at 8:47 PM. Reason : or maybe freshman mclendon will save us!]

4/1/2014 8:44:30 PM

I'm not thinking Brissett is the second coming. But I really think he's gotta be a sizable upgrade from the Thomas/Mitchell disaster.

4/1/2014 8:52:11 PM

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"Pinning the success of a team entirely on the performance of an untested transfer is a pretty damming indictment on the abilities of a coach, imho."

Uhhhhh, doesn't every coach have to depend on untested QB's every few years?? And don't most teams go about a far as the qb takes them?

4/1/2014 9:03:32 PM

That's not the point I was making. If a coach has to rely on the skill of his QB, without being able to coach him to competent levels, then that coach fucking sucks at coaching.

It's not like we haven't had bad QBs before. We have. A halfway competent coach can get at least one conference win out of them, though.

[Edited on April 1, 2014 at 9:33 PM. Reason : QB cop out excuses are for amateurs, yo.]

4/1/2014 9:30:16 PM

please take this silly talk to the credibility thread, and we can have a discussion over there about how doeren didn't coach-up pete thomas over the course of one season.

[Edited on April 1, 2014 at 9:37 PM. Reason : and leave this thread for recruiting, please?]

4/1/2014 9:35:30 PM

It's not that I'm incapable of separating the two items. It's just that until he shows that he can win in the ACC, his recruiting rankings will be irrelevant.

Still, though...that high school playoff experience should come in handy when we play Charlotte Independence.

4/1/2014 10:09:03 PM

Are you a troll?

4/1/2014 10:13:32 PM

Anybody else notice that the state logo is photoshopped in on that infographic?

4/1/2014 10:35:33 PM

So apparently 2015 OT Philip Walton did commit. Another guy from Charlotte.

Quote :

"6'7", 265, OT, NR, 4.1 gpa"

4/2/2014 10:00:47 AM

4.1 gpa

Probably means he sucks. Come on, look at UNC. You gotta recruit dummies not scholar athletes if you wanna win.

4/2/2014 10:30:16 AM

I'm no expert in football recruiting, but I don't put a lot of stock in ratings of offensive lineman. First, they don't normally play right away...so you usually get a chance to develop them. You can put a lot of weight, strength, and skill on in a couple years. You can't teach size...so as long as they are tall and have a frame to put weight on...then that's good.

Our last two extremely highly recruited o-lineman haven't amounted to shit. Derek Morris was fucking abysmal and Crisp has been injured half the time (still hoping he has a final solid season).

So you won't see me getting depressed over NR o-lineman. Get 'em in and get 'em fed and hope they develop.

[Edited on April 2, 2014 at 10:51 AM. Reason : .]

4/2/2014 10:50:40 AM

Offensive line is where the bread is buttered in college football.

You rarely seen a truly dominant team that doesn't have a monster line. Just look at Bama for example, their most top rated prospects annually tend to be linemen and their skill positions (outside of Julio) have been a bunch of overrated prospects or flat out busts.

[Edited on April 2, 2014 at 11:01 AM. Reason : ...]

4/2/2014 11:00:47 AM

Could not agree more.

4/2/2014 11:39:56 AM

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"Come on, look at UNC. You gotta recruit dummies not scholar athletes if you wanna win."

Does not compute.

4/2/2014 12:12:03 PM

I've seen suggestions that Walton will be at high-end 3* by the time he's evaluated.

Huge frame, use to be a competitive swimmer, still learning the position. Last article I read sounded like he'd mostly been used on DL but is switching exclusively to OT to prepare for college. Obviously not a candidate to come in and be an impact player day 1, but 6'7" and athletic, shouldn't be hard to bulk him up to a more appropriate playing weight. Plenty of potential.

With the limited scholarship numbers this year, anyone we accept a commitment from this early is likely someone the coaches really want.

4/2/2014 12:16:48 PM

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"bunch of overrated prospects or flat out busts."

lol wut?

4/2/2014 1:07:13 PM

Quote :

"Just look at Bama for example, their most top rated prospects annually tend to be linemen and their skill positions (outside of Julio) have been a bunch of overrated prospects or flat out busts."

i'm not going to take the time to look up all the recruiting rankings...but given how good Alabama has been recently, I have a hard time believing that only their linemen have panned out as recruits.

4/2/2014 2:13:06 PM

yeah I can't really think of any good RB's they've had recently.

4/2/2014 2:22:56 PM

^^ What's not to understand? Outside of Julio, who's tearing it up from there?

Ingram and Richardson have been the biggest names since, and I wouldn't say either has set the world on fire. Lacey had a good rookie year, but I'm not ready to crown him at all after 1 year.

The left side of that line went that won back to back titles, went back to back as well in the draft last year at 10 and 11. Barrett Jones went in the 4th. That line was as dominate as anything we've seen lately in cfb.

4/2/2014 2:26:47 PM

Why the fuck are we talking about how well their guys are doing in the NFL. We've got plenty of NC State guys in the NFL...I want them to crush it in college.

4/2/2014 2:28:51 PM

Are we talking about Bama players in the NFL? Because that's not really a fair assessment of how good those recruits were in college.

4/2/2014 2:29:45 PM

Alabama players in the NFL as of 2012 -

Javier Arenas
Arizona Cardinals
Defensive Back

Mark Barron
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Safety

James Carpenter
Seattle Seahawks
Guard

Josh Chapman
Indianapolis Colts
Nose Tackle

Terrence Cody
Baltimore Ravens
Nose Tackle

Marcell Dareus
Buffalo Bills
Defensive Tackle

Brandon Deaderick
Jacksonville Jaguars
Defensive End

Quinton Dial
San Francisco 49ers
Defensive End

DJ Fluker
San Diego Chargers
Offensive Tackle

Wallace Gilberry
Cincinnati Bengals
Defensive End

Roman Harper
New Orleans Saints
Safety

Dont’a Hightower
New England Patriots
Linebacker

Mark Ingram
New Orleans Saints
Running Back

Kareem Jackson
Houston Texans
Defensive Back

Jarret Johnson
San Diego Chargers
Linebacker

Mike Johnson
Atlanta Falcons
Offensive Guard

Nico Johnson
Kansas City Chiefs
Linebacker

Rashad Johnson
Arizona Cardinals
Safety

Barrett Jones
St. Louis Rams
Guard

Julio Jones
Atlanta Falcons
Wide Receiver

Dre Kirkpatrick
Cincinnati Bengals
Defensive Back

Eddie Lacy
Green Bay Packers
Running Back

Robert Lester
Carolina Panthers
Safety

Evan Mathis
Philadelphia Eagles
Offensive Guard

Le'Ron McClain
San Diego Chargers
Running Back

DeE Milliner
New York Jets
Cornerback

Trent Richardson
Cleveland Browns
Running Back

DeMeco Ryans
Philadelphia Eagles
Linebacker

Andre Smith
Cincinnati Bengals
Offensive Tackle

Damion Square
Philadelphia Eagles
Defensive End

Carson Tinker
Jacksonville Jaguars
Long Snapper

Courtney Upshaw
Baltimore Ravens
Linebacker

Chance Warmack
Tennessee Titans
Guard

Michael Williams
Detroit Lions
Tight End

Jesse Wlliams
Seattle Seahawks
Defensive Tackle


Looks like they've got quite a few.

[Edited on April 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM. Reason : http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/nfl-players.html]

4/2/2014 4:16:00 PM

oh cool are we recruiting all the guys on that list? nice.

4/2/2014 4:18:33 PM

[Edited on April 2, 2014 at 4:25 PM. Reason : JPG]

4/2/2014 4:25:21 PM

I still dont get the anti doeren hate.

People complaining abt his recruiting.....did you just fucking sleep through the last 3 TOB years?

4/2/2014 8:34:20 PM

I haven't seen the whaaaambulance in a while.

4/2/2014 9:59:41 PM

Quote :

"anti doeren hate"

4/2/2014 10:00:01 PM

Apparently this guy committed to being a preferred walk-on

Quote :

"Bullock is 6'8" 350lb OL from Southern Vance HS in Henderson. Former teammate of current S Hakim Jones."

Winner of WRAL's Extra Effort award: http://www.highschoolot.com/extra_effort/video/13061701/#/vid13061701

Quote :

"Southern Vance lineman Ja'Quez Bullock is a talented football player, a good student, and is highly respected by the Southern Vance community."

http://instagram.com/p/mVBFlnsmT0/#

[Edited on April 3, 2014 at 10:53 AM. Reason : ]

4/3/2014 10:46:25 AM

good god thats one fat little kid.

[Edited on April 3, 2014 at 4:03 PM. Reason : also he sounds like a fine upstanding citizen.]

4/3/2014 4:02:34 PM

I've seen fatter. But there isn't anything "little" about him.

4/3/2014 4:07:13 PM

That's one extremely large human. Good kid though.

Doesn't look like he has a whole lot of explosion -- obviously -- but I don't see anyone bull-rushing him in college.

4/3/2014 5:02:20 PM

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"@Mcgirt7: Had a great visit at state with coach king! And the state coaches."

4/3/2014 7:00:25 PM

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"Pete fucking Thomas and Brandon Mitchell were our QBs last year. Of course we didn't win any conference games. Calm down a bit."

We barely beat Richmond. How long will all of you blame TOB for us sucking?

I mean we won games with Marcus Stone at QB and he couldn't complete 50% of the short passes.

4/4/2014 9:38:15 AM

http://message_topic.aspx?topic=633033&page=32

4/4/2014 9:43:43 AM

^^That team won despite Stone's suckage. It had the #1 defense in the nation and the future #1 pick in the NFL Draft on the team. The offense also had an NFL starter at RB.

4/4/2014 11:45:43 AM

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"#1 defense in the nation"

Quote :

"#1 defense in the nation"

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"#1 defense in the nation"

4/4/2014 11:57:09 AM

^^^^I wasn't blaming TOB...I was blaming our shitty QBs

[Edited on April 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM. Reason : f]

4/4/2014 12:46:31 PM

Went to the PNC to do some stuff about my canes tickets, heard music blasting so headed over to the practice field....we are GOING to SUCK badly minus #21 the RB.

4/4/2014 1:02:27 PM

I love it when people make broad generalizations based on 10 minutes of a spring practice

4/4/2014 1:17:55 PM