65 years of shaving points with illiterate athletes

1/21/2015 2:57:34 PM

http://deadspin.com/ncaa-investigating-academic-fraud-at-20-colleges-1680928515

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"Via The Chronicle of Higher Education, the NCAA has announced that it is investigating allegations of academic misconduct at 20 college campuses, 18 of which are Division I schools. The NCAA has not revealed precisely which schools are being investigated, nor the exact nature of the allegations, but the The Chronicle reports that they include college athletes receiving impermissible benefits from professors and academic advisors. "

1/21/2015 4:37:24 PM

^ WOLF!

1/21/2015 5:10:29 PM

haha don't get too excited.

this is going to mitigate the UNC stuff under the "everybody does it" mentality.

1/21/2015 5:49:20 PM

^Oh. I was hoping we make the list. Seems like we never make any list to get our name out.

1/21/2015 5:51:22 PM

Maybe it'll just say "state" and no one outside of the area will know it's us.

1/21/2015 7:53:45 PM

fucking bullshit, thats exactly whats gonna happen.

1/22/2015 9:41:16 AM

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"Dan Kane @dankanenando 5m5 minutes ago #breaking A 2nd class-action lawsuit filed against UNC in fake class scandal. Ed O'Bannon's atty is handling. NCAA also a defendant."

[Edited on January 22, 2015 at 3:37 PM. Reason : fucking with the money is maybe MAYBE the one thing that can get the ncaa to punish UNC]

1/22/2015 3:35:34 PM

welp

[Edited on January 22, 2015 at 3:38 PM. Reason : .]

1/22/2015 3:37:56 PM

Wonder what the actions filed against the NCAA consist of.

1/22/2015 3:43:50 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2015/01/22/lawsuit-filed-against-north-carolina-ncaa-on-academic-scandal/22173755/

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"The suit, which seeks to become a class action, was filed in a North Carolina state court on behalf of women's basketball player Rashanda McCants and football player Devon Ramsay by lawyers from the same firm that is pursuing the Ed O'Bannon antitrust case against the NCAA concerning the use of college athletes' names, images and likenesses. Rashanda McCants is the younger sister of former North Carolina men's basketball player Rashad McCants. This case involves allegations of breach of contract against UNC for a failure to provide "academically sound classes with legitimate educational instruction." The complaint also accuses the NCAA of negligence because: "Although the NCAA's rules prohibit academic fraud, the NCAA knew of dozens of instances of academic fraud in its member schools' athletic programs over the last century, and it nevertheless refused to implement adequate monitoring systems to detect and prevent these occurrences at its member institutions." "

[Edited on January 22, 2015 at 3:46 PM. Reason : ]

1/22/2015 3:45:45 PM

This article doesn't explain that Rashanda is Rashad's younger sister, I thought it was a typo

http://www.wral.com/lawsuit-by-former-unc-ch-athletes-seeks-educational-reforms/14379486/

1/22/2015 4:58:00 PM

It's Christmas again!!

1/22/2015 5:37:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1LaF1hqKSc

[Edited on January 22, 2015 at 5:50 PM. Reason : ]

1/22/2015 5:44:45 PM

I hope that entire athletics program burns to the mother fucking ground. I will personally make the five hour trip to Chapel Hill to piss on the ashes.

1/22/2015 6:11:30 PM

Here it is guys:

http://www.cbssports.com/images/blogs/Hausfeld-complaint.pdf

1/22/2015 8:04:17 PM

Just in case it is not obvious, that is the class action in detail. The thing all the newspapers and other media quoted from, there is the entire document.

1/23/2015 8:30:17 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/22/us/unc-paper-classes-lawsuit/index.html

1/23/2015 1:51:00 PM

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"This case involves allegations of breach of contract against UNC for a failure to provide "academically sound classes with legitimate educational instruction.""

I don't like Carolina and this scandal as much as the next guy, but BULLSHIT! You can only make this argument if you say the two plaintiffs have zero individual responsibility for the result of their education.

[Edited on January 23, 2015 at 2:05 PM. Reason : .]

1/23/2015 2:04:01 PM

NCAA will dissolve, and UNCCH* will skate and keep their banners as expected

1/23/2015 2:05:15 PM

^^ Not that I buy it, but could they say they thought it was "normal"?

1/23/2015 2:09:15 PM

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"^^ Not that I buy it, but could they say they thought it was "normal"?"

If you came to State, was lackadaisical in your schoolwork and took jerkoff classes that didn't prepare you for your own life after college, is that the school's fault or yours?

This is like the people crying when they lost their home in the housing collapse. Yeah, it was a scam, but you were part of the scam too! Unless these individuals can show they made an honest effort at their education, they were part of the scam at Carolina.

[Edited on January 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM. Reason : /]

1/23/2015 2:14:09 PM

^Yes and no. If you, as an athlete, are told to take sham classes and basically have your schedules picked for you, then it's a different story. The reason most people give for not wanting to pay collegiate athletes is they get a "free ride to a great university education." If you aren't getting that education, then why does the school get to make money off of you?

I'm certainly not saying that the athletes are not at all culpable, but very few 18 year olds are going to tell their couch or counselor "Nah man, I really want to take Calc 2 this year, not AFAM, I'll put in the extra time and study, I know I will."

1/23/2015 2:18:32 PM

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"Yes and no. If you, as an athlete, are told to take sham classes and basically have your schedules picked for you, then it's a different story."

If you, as an athlete, have an interest in your education, you're not going to take sham classes and basically have your schedules picked for you. They didn't instigate the program but they were complicit with it.

[Edited on January 23, 2015 at 2:26 PM. Reason : .]

1/23/2015 2:24:07 PM

The suit would certainly make more sense to come from athletes or students who legitimately took AFAM classes or actually did work, and now their degrees are coming in under scrutiny.

1/23/2015 2:42:51 PM

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"The suit would certainly make more sense to come from athletes or students who legitimately took AFAM classes or actually did work, and now their degrees are coming in under scrutiny."

Exactly. Although the lawsuit only limits to those on athletic scholarships, regardless of their major and how seriously they took school. So if you're a student that wasn't on a sports scholarship and took a no-show class, you have no recourse.

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"The suit seeks to create two broad classes of plaintiffs: — A damages class comprising anyone who attended UNC-Chapel Hill on an athletic scholarship and enrolled in a broad range of African and Afro-American Studies and/or Swahili classes between 1989 and 2011. The list of those classes runs for 12 pages of the 100-page complaint. — An injunctive relief class comprising anyone who attended UNC-Chapel Hill on an athletic scholarship or is currently attending the school on an athletic scholarship."

I know a guy that was a walk-on on the UNC football team under Bunting. I guess he has no recourse either, although he's fine, he works at Google.

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"The suit seeks unspecified damages and asks for "the formation of an independent commission to review, audit, assess, and report on academic integrity in NCAA-member athletic programs and certify member-school curricula as providing comparable educations and educational opportunities to athletes and non-athletes alike.""

Hey, I'm all for that. Let's do my plan that can do this:

1. Stop making sports an important part of whether a person gets enrolled or not. If you couldn't cut it in high school, you won't cut it in college.
2. Drop the notion of athletics scholarships, that way the notion of athlete and non-athlete completely disappears from a university perspective.
3. Remove all athlete-centered programs regarding to education. There's non-athlete-based tutors available.
4. Make all sports at universities club sports (where the clubs pay their own bills) instead of varsity sports.

(In other words, to remove the differences between athlete education and non-athlete education, treat them no different than non-athletes.)

and 5. If you're going to pay players, go ahead, but aforementioned club team loses their tax exemption. (that applies to alumni donations too, fuck the Phil Knights of the world that use their alma mater for tax evasion)

[Edited on January 23, 2015 at 2:57 PM. Reason : .]

1/23/2015 2:51:21 PM

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"If you, as an athlete, have an interest in your education, you're not going to take sham classes and basically have your schedules picked for you. They didn't instigate the program but they were complicit with it."

I agree with this to some amount. However, in some cases we are talking about people who can't read at a high school level who have been made all these promises and told to basically "trust us to handle things for you" (at least that is my understanding).

What choices did they have?
1. Go to this big name institution and try for a pro career and if they don't make it, go get get a minimum wage job
or
2. just skip that and go get a minimum wage job.

FYI, the fun starts on page 44. Page 74-75 has the bulk of the argument about why this isn't the athlete's fault. There are some pretty big holes but for every one thing an athlete has to explain, UNC has 50 things to explain. Which is why I say this never sees the inside of courtroom, one way or another.

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"211. During the Class Period, UNC was in a far superior position to its student athletes to assess whether the AFAM paper courses in which Plaintiffs and the Class were enrolled were academically sound. During the Class Period and until very recently, Plaintiffs and the Class did not have access to the non-public, internal UNC information they would have needed to make this determination. For example, The Raleigh News and Observer had to sue UNC in January 2014 to obtain non-public information and data about the AFAM paper courses, the student-athletes enrolled in them, and related information such as course titles, GPAs, and majors. Until very recently, Plaintiffs and the Class lacked the information needed to determine, e.g.,: a. whether AFAM paper classes were taught or supervised by a UNC faculty member or otherwise involved a faculty member; b. whether Plaintiffs’ and class members’ communications with Crowder and other non-faculty members regarding AFAM paper classes were shared with the faculty instructor of record; c. whether coursework submitted in AFAM paper courses was reviewed and graded by a qualified faculty member; d. whether coursework submitted in AFAM paper courses was reviewed in itsentirety; e. whether attendance at courses designated as lecture courses could be excused by administrative staff or faculty; and f. the roles of UNC athletic department personnel and academic advisors in creating, maintaining, supporting, and encouraging AFAM paper courses"

1/23/2015 2:52:40 PM

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" I agree with this to some amount. However, in some cases we are talking about people who can't read at a high school level..."

Under the logic of this suit, should they sue the state for providing them an improper high school education then?

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"What choices did they have? 1. Go to this big name institution and try for a pro career and if they don't make it, go get get a minimum wage job or 2. just skip that and go get a minimum wage job. "

3. go to the D-League (for men's basketball players)

1/23/2015 2:55:28 PM

Yes, I hadn't thought of the D league. It is still there though if they don't get drafted (or spend all there time practicing basketball instead of earning a worthwhile degree).

Suing the school system for providing in improper education is not the same as suing a University. Student-athletes are not providing any service to the school where their compensation is that they receive a quality education. (I suppose if it were possible to sue the state then the tax payers who are funding it would be the party to do it?)

1/23/2015 3:09:51 PM

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"If you, as an athlete, have an interest in your education, you're not going to take sham classes and basically have your schedules picked for you. They didn't instigate the program but they were complicit with it. "

I think it was Deunta Williams that tried to sign up for Spanish since he had 4 years of it in HS. He genuinely wanted to pursue it but they ignored his requests and put him in Swahili instead. He went on TV and said that

1/23/2015 3:14:29 PM

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"I think it was Deunta Williams that tried to sign up for Spanish since he had 4 years of it in HS. He genuinely wanted to pursue it but they ignored his requests and put him in Swahili instead. He went on TV and said that"

He has an argument then if he made an honest effort to get an education and didn't sign up for no-show classes and fake independent studies.

My problem is more with people that were setup to cheat, knew they were cheating (how low does your IQ have to be to not think it's odd you get 3 credit hours for a class that never meets? lower than the IQ required to learn basketball or football plays), and went along with it because it suited their interests, and now they're suing.

[Edited on January 23, 2015 at 3:38 PM. Reason : /]

1/23/2015 3:19:16 PM

So Deunta says UNC made him take Swahili. UNC says "no we didn't." Now what. It's been established that nothing out of UNC's brass can be trusted. Emails are about the only thing that get to the point.

1/23/2015 3:45:07 PM

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"Derek Rowles ?@DerekRowles 44s44 seconds ago #BreakingNews - #UNC and @paperclassinc Mary Willingham have setttled their lawsuit. Details of settlement not released."

Welp.....

This is where this dies it seems.

2/24/2015 4:52:56 PM

Innocent parties settle all the time, this proves nothing, woohoo GO HEELS!

[Edited on February 24, 2015 at 5:12 PM. Reason : .]

2/24/2015 5:12:43 PM

What's the over/under on the hush money?

I'll say $100 million, but I would still take the over

2/24/2015 5:24:54 PM

What a fucking dog and pony show.

2/24/2015 5:33:11 PM

It didn't die if they paid her off, they lost.

2/24/2015 6:12:52 PM

http://northcarolina.scout.com/forums/1410-basketball/13685784-buck-stops-here-the-willingham-settlement?s=78

This looks promising for some lolz.

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"Going through with the litigation would be costly. Discovery was about to begin, putting the University of North Carolina on the hook for a cool half million, estimated costs, just for the discovery phase alone. North Carolina’s legal team further estimated the costs of litigation, trial, and appeal of upwards of two million. At the end of the day, UNC felt it had a good chance at a favorable ruling, but there was also a legitimate chance that it would go the other direction; that UNC would be on the hook for full damages and the most dreaded result - that UNC would have to reinstate Willingham to her job"

If the most dreaded thing on a UNC Fans mind is to have to reinstate Willingham, they are in for some dark days to come.



[Edited on February 25, 2015 at 10:03 AM. Reason : _]

2/25/2015 10:01:08 AM

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/3-former-unc-athletes-join-mcadoo-in-lawsuit-against-school/14469114/

2/25/2015 10:02:04 AM

lol

2/25/2015 10:06:11 AM

Something that has me confused on the lawsuits (what are there now? 3 now that Willingham is over?). Why are there two separate class actions? Why didn't they just combine all together?

Is it because the other brings the NCAA into it?

2/25/2015 10:09:13 AM

Posted at 11:59 PM lol

Kick Em while they are down

2/25/2015 10:10:29 AM

figured i'd post this here, since this Art dude is such a fine example of UNC fan.

http://chapelboro.com/columns/sports-notebook/arts-angle-no-comparison/

3/3/2015 1:50:45 PM

maybe the fact that as tax payers we can request emails and such that incriminate participants. what can we get from duke about an allegid incident?

3/3/2015 4:21:57 PM

well god damn, that shit heap wasted no time taking advantage of a student's sexual assault at Duke to defend Roy

3/3/2015 4:34:28 PM

Well, atleast rape at UNC is like a football game

3/3/2015 4:46:53 PM

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015/03/reports-challenge-unc-scandals-1993-start-date

Oh SHIT YO BURN THE FUCKER DOWN!

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"Since the release of the Wainstein report, the idea that the University’s academic improprieties began in 1993 has gone largely unquestioned. Now, conflicting information between the Wainstein report and the University’s response to its accrediting agency has some wondering whether that date was created to protect the 1993 national championship-winning men’s basketball team."

3/4/2015 3:05:03 PM

Man I really hope something comes of this.

3/4/2015 5:09:23 PM

^Nope. All we can do is HOPE. Just like our athletic programs.

[Edited on March 4, 2015 at 5:46 PM. Reason : s]

3/4/2015 5:45:28 PM

Can't wait for Art to blame this on Dirty Dan Kane and the unfair coverage of Duke.

3/4/2015 6:43:35 PM