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Geppetto
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What we do know:

-There are major, widespread vulnerabilities in our voting systems (democrats talked about this for 3 years) We know that there are areas that need improving, but not that these vulnerabilities are widespread or impactful.

-There have been a few discoveries of "errors" and inconsistencies in election results We know that this happens ever year and is on the magnitude of < 0.0001%. Again, neither widespread nor material.

-There have been "errors" that led to initial flips in election results in favor of democrats (see Antrim county and iowa caucus) There have been human errors that have been corrected by checks in the process. That's like you making a typo of your when you mean you're and Word catching it.

-There are widespread witness accounts of election fraud. There simply are not. There are widespread complaints by people who don't understand the voting process and laws within their state and wish they had autonomy to do as they pleased when counting votes. There are actually 0 witnesses to actual fraud. 0. As in none.
-Many republicans considered the shift to mail in ballots to be fraudulent by default (and talked about it before the election) People considering something to be true doesn't make it meaningful, especially when the law is considered. Many people consider flag burning a crime, but it simply is not.

What we don't know:

-How many accounts of fraud are fake and how many are real. We do know this. It's all known ones at this time.

-If the summation of all errors and fraud were enough to flip the election We actually categorically know this as well. All those projected by Trump law suits wouldn't turn the election in any form, not popular vote, not enough states, etc.

-If any of the fraud was intentional or part of some wide conspiracy We also know that it wasn't. Not just because there is no evidence of it (absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence) but the Trump lawsuits lack any common thread as to indicate that there is no conspiracy for the thing that did not happen.

-The effect pretending we know stuff we don't know or don't know stuff we don't know has on the spread of conspiracy theories and misinformation. We absolutely know that spreading certainly false but without question unproven distrust in our elections spreads misinformation and conspiracies at wide scale (see family FaceBook posts or million MAGA march).

[Edited on November 17, 2020 at 1:56 PM. Reason : spaces]

11/17/2020 1:55:24 PM

rwoody
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I feel like those vulnerabilities are in voter registration files, ie people getting dropped inappropriately, and potentially in firewalls keeping voting data/voting machines, none of which would effect mail in voting alone. In fact the larger effect would potentially be on in person voting.

11/17/2020 2:00:03 PM

horosho
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John Oliver in 2019:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svEuG_ekNT0&t=4s

John Oliver last week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyC855KdBKo

Which episode was dishonest?

And this same trend played out throughout the party/media

11/17/2020 4:45:29 PM

Cabbage
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"Its very difficult to expose lies as lies to people who have a blindspot to those lies (most democrats). The fact that you are asking this question means its already a tall task."


Translation: You know you're full of shit, so when you're backed into a corner you hide behind the usual bullshit.

11/17/2020 5:40:50 PM

Cabbage
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"Republicans lie to advance the agenda of their base"


Yeah, they often lie to their base ("War on Xmas" bullshit) in doing that....

....contradicting your claim they are honest to their base.

Gaslighting ain't honesty, dumbass.

11/17/2020 5:42:35 PM

Cabbage
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"democrats lie to expand their base and get votes from people who would never vote for them if they told the truth.

(they need both a public and private position on issues)"


Oh, you mean like how Republicans campaign by fear mongering over the federal deficit, only to cut taxes and make the federal deficit skyrocket once they get into office?

11/17/2020 6:20:35 PM

aaronburro
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Let it go

11/17/2020 8:59:03 PM

aaronburro
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Completely unrelated, but am I the only one who thinks Gavin Newsom looks like a stock, evil-capitalist trope movie character?

11/17/2020 9:08:56 PM

StTexan
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Possibly. I think he is awesome cause he banged the fuck out of Kimberly Guilfoyle when she wasn’t ragged.

11/17/2020 9:11:08 PM

Money_Jones
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"John Oliver in 2019:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svEuG_ekNT0&t=4s

John Oliver last week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyC855KdBKo

Which episode was dishonest?
"


Neither, still just you and the conservatives
https://twitter.com/lastweektonight/status/1329542855149416448?s=21

11/19/2020 6:03:00 PM

Cabbage
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^I think I made horosho tap out of this thread.

11/19/2020 7:10:55 PM

horosho
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"Yeah, they often lie to their base ("War on Xmas" bullshit) in doing that...."


Nah. "War on Christmas" is a real grievance held by their constituents. There is no lie about it. There has been a conscious effort in corporate america and MSM to remove christianity from being the default way we approach the holidays. This means "christmas time" is being renamed to things like "xmas"(ironically what you used in your post), "holidays", "winter season" and anything that makes sure christianity is no longer the default. People notice this and get angry. Its the same way the republican constituents felt about "press 1 for english".

This is TWW, so of course, someone will incorrectly attribute the point I'm making about republican beliefs as what I believe personally. As a teacher, I'm always waging war against Christmas. I indirectly correct student who refer to "christmas break" in their questions by using "winter break" in my answers. We have a large jewish population so I don't think its not fair to talk about Christmas specifically without equal representation. There has been a "christian privilege" in this country and that is being eroded in favor of multiculturalism which I think is great and republicans view as oppression against them.

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"Oh, you mean like how Republicans campaign by fear mongering over the federal deficit, only to cut taxes and make the federal deficit skyrocket once they get into office?"

I'm glad you brought this up because its the single biggest grenade taking democrats all out at once.

Republican constituents want military spending and tax cuts. Period. The fear-mongering over the deficit is yet another means to an end where the end is what the base wants. The fear-mongering only affects liberals and democrat voters who claim to be in favor of adequate social programs but still believe in the deficit myth. This is literally the main division in the democratic party and its always democratic leadership who are serious about balancing the budget.

11/19/2020 10:14:35 PM

aaronburro
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Troll on 18 wheeler, troll on

11/19/2020 10:25:17 PM

Cabbage
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"This means "christmas time" is being renamed to things like "xmas"(ironically what you used in your post)"


Considering that the use of "xmas" dates back centuries, it is certainly not a product of any "war on xmas". That is but one example of the lies Republicans tell about the "War on Xmas"---Lies that you are now parroting.

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"Republican constituents want military spending and tax cuts. Period. The fear-mongering over the deficit is yet another means to an end where the end is what the base wants. The fear-mongering only affects liberals and democrat voters who claim to be in favor of adequate social programs but still believe in the deficit myth. This is literally the main division in the democratic party and its always democratic leadership who are serious about balancing the budget."


Totally irrelevant to the fact that it is a Republican lie. Nice try, however.

11/19/2020 11:17:42 PM

horosho
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The point is that republicans don't lie to their base. They lie on behalf of their base which further supports the idea that they fight for their base even if it means taking the gloves off.



See the trend. This is not the 90s anymore. The economy has collapsed on the working people and the status quo is no longer sustainable. Democrats have been bleeding seats for 25 years. Obama's magical 08 campaign tricking people into thinking he was progressive was the only exception.

[Edited on November 22, 2020 at 5:12 PM. Reason : can't get fooled again. ]

[Edited on November 22, 2020 at 5:15 PM. Reason : no more sweeping problems under the rug. fix it or the far right populists will eventually win]

11/22/2020 5:11:09 PM

Cabbage
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"The point is that republicans don't lie to their base."
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Dude, I know what your point is. And my point is you're wrong. While some Republican politicians have claimed deficits don't matter (despite campaigning on deficit fear mongering), their base takes that shit to heart--They are lying to their base.

And your chart is totally irrelevant to that. Here, allow me to post a chart to support my own position:



(My chart is as relevant to my post as your chart is to yours. LOL!)

11/22/2020 5:48:27 PM

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