Thought it was really good. Ending felt a little rushed, and the plot was definitely a rehash of the original, but it really was pretty great. Was able to catch you up with the main characters from the original trilogy and introduce you to the new ones way better than I thought they'd be able to. Harrison Ford & Daisey Ridley were the best things about the film.

Lots of things left open though for Ep VIII or one of those anthology movies to fill in. Really wish Abrams was back for the next one.

12/18/2015 12:15:42 AM

Fucking loved it, it kinda makes me mad to think what the prequels would have been like had George let someone else do them.

Also, as far as kylos training, I think he's been intentionally held back by snoke. Speculation is that snoke is plagueis who was palpatines master that he told anakin he killed. Which would make sense with the big scar on top of his head. If it is plagueis it would make sense for him to hold back kylo since his last apprentice tried to murder him (although it is the sith way)

[Edited on December 18, 2015 at 12:42 AM. Reason : .]

12/18/2015 12:39:22 AM

I guess I'll be the only one that hated that ending.


And John Williams really wasted a great score on the prequels.

12/18/2015 12:49:31 AM

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"Loved the movie, had the shittiest experience at the Raleigh Grande though(surprise surprise"

Not disagreeing, just curious why?
I saw it at Brier Creek, which has started to move to my shitlist since I bought the tickets in October. Ive seen multiple movies there lately where the colors are washed out/muted for some reason (not artistic reasons), very dark presentations (even in 2D showings), or they forget to turn the 3D filter on and you have to go find management (Im fairly certain the only thing they know anything about there is selling popcorn). That being said, presentation tonight was mostly great, but they obviously werent going to risk fucking this one up tonight.

There were a few girls behind us that got carried away with the "awwws" for everything remotely cute (BB8); obviously, for that one particular tearjerker scene, one of them practically lost her shit. Cant really blame her, but it made my own feels even more feely. Even so, loved this movie, best Star Wars movie in 30 years easily. Will be seeing it again at Exploris.

12/18/2015 3:15:16 AM

So, this was a good movie, but definitely not a great movie. It has its problems.

The positives are of course the performances from the main cast, especially Han Solo by Harrison Ford. That was fucking brilliant and such a joy to see. He was not playing Han as we know him, but a new Han that had aged and obviously experienced lost.

I really like how they added in little snips of comedy here and there, that was great.

Cinematography and special effects are great. Although I must say, since they rely so much on practical effects and costume design, the CGI that is there REALLLLLY sticks out. Some of the motion capture does not blend in that well.

Not to get into spoilers here, but people will notice that a bunch of the plot points are pushed a long by the fact that the force is almost in a way consciously reaching out to people on its own and acting actively in attempts to sort of "right the universe". Hence the term, The Force Awakens. This was the major complaint that I have with the film. In the first trilogy, people had to go through extensive training to tune into the force and listen to it, so that the relationship is portrayed as the person connecting to the force. In this film, however, it is almost like the force is reaching out to other people consciously, and that is not really explained well. Maybe that it will be explained later.

The other complaint is that there are a bunch of plot points that were clearly lifted from Episode 4 and 5.

But the pacing and sound design in this film was amazing! The performances were amazing! Adam Driver as Kylo Ren was, apart from Han, clearly the best performance in the film. Everything about him makes sense. His comedy and light-heartedness ties into his struggles as a relatively young player for the dark side. The way that they built him up was so brilliant and on point, that it almost hints at a "this is what Lucas should have done with Vader" type smirk from JJ. That to me was the best part of the film.



[Edited on December 18, 2015 at 5:46 AM. Reason : a]

12/18/2015 5:17:39 AM

so fucking good

But man Marbles was cultivating some serious nerd funk by the time 4am rolled around.

12/18/2015 6:53:25 AM

Oh man. I thought it was incredible. So good. I went in skeptical thinking there is no way that it could live up to the hype, but it did. I won't post any spoiler-specific stuff until more folks have seen it but I loved it. It perfectly captured the charm and magic of the original trilogy without any of the unnecessary cheesiness and crap of the prequels.

One thing I can really appreciate was that there weren't a bunch of stupid droids and aliens in the background making things busier than they needed to be. That was always going on in the prequels and it annoyed the hell out of me.

Also, props to Disney for how they handled the opening logos and stuff. The 20th Century Fox "theme music" has almost been as much a part of the opening score as the main music after watching these movies for 30 years (to me at least). They didn't throw their own theme in or even put their own logo in. It went straight to the "Lucasfilm" logo, then the opening crawl. Good on you, Disney.

12/18/2015 7:17:15 AM

I'm trying to figure out if this is my 2nd or 3rd favorite star wars movie.

The new cast was the strength of the movie. There are easily a few moments that you can nitpick.

But I was standing in line and sitting waiting for almost 4 hours. That always gets me out of wack. So I definitely need to see it again.

12/18/2015 7:23:02 AM

Great flick!

While I'm sure a lot of people will ding it as a rehash of the original core trilogy I really appreciated it. I feel like the franchise needed to do that fan service, and now that they've done it early on the writers can really make the rest of the trilogy something new and fresh.

I could have used a little more explanation on some things, but I'm hoping a lot of that backstory of the past 30 years will get filled in going forward.

12/18/2015 7:25:47 AM

really really good. i was surprised that all of the new characters are actually likeable and i look forward to seeing them in the upcoming movies. as stated several times here, it felt very similar to episode IV, but that actually turned out to be a great thing.

12/18/2015 8:23:48 AM

I enjoyed this movie for the most part, even though I never was the biggest Star Wars fan. It felt like a well done remake of episode IV, which is what I expected knowing it was an Abrams flick.

12/18/2015 10:52:25 AM

yep, daisy ridley was fantastic

12/18/2015 11:30:28 AM

I think they felt very insecure about having to deal with the hangover from the prequels. They went out of their way to stick to a formula that worked which is why it so similar to a new hope. They had to start the new sets of films off in the right way.

Having said that, I hope they never have a planet or system killing machine thing again.

[Edited on December 18, 2015 at 3:00 PM. Reason : Vjf]

12/18/2015 3:00:09 PM

SPOILER ALERT

12/18/2015 3:15:23 PM

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"[quote]Loved the movie, had the shittiest experience at the Raleigh Grande though(surprise surprise"

Not disagreeing, just curious why?
I saw it at Brier Creek, which has started to move to my shitlist since I bought the tickets in October. Ive seen multiple movies there lately where the colors are washed out/muted for some reason (not artistic reasons), very dark presentations (even in 2D showings), or they forget to turn the 3D filter on and you have to go find management (Im fairly certain the only thing they know anything about there is selling popcorn). That being said, presentation tonight was mostly great, but they obviously werent going to risk fucking this one up tonight.

There were a few girls behind us that got carried away with the "awwws" for everything remotely cute (BB8); obviously, for that one particular tearjerker scene, one of them practically lost her shit. Cant really blame her, but it made my own feels even more feely. Even so, loved this movie, best Star Wars movie in 30 years easily. Will be seeing it again at Exploris.[/quote]

Because they didn't switch the filter for 3D, and didn't restart the film for the people that walked out to tell them they made a mistake. I got to start watching the movie when Fin was wandering around with his ears ringing and blood on his helmet. I don't know what happened up to that point, didn't get to read the opening crawl, and I spent close to $100 on seats, food, and alcohol for myself and my fiance.

12/18/2015 6:39:17 PM

It was awful, and I am a HUGE Star Wars fan, it's the one thing I geek out about.

With Empire being a 10, ANH being a 9, ROTJ being a 6, ROTS a 5, AOTC being a 4 and TPM being a 0, I give this a 4.

SO many plot holes, Abrams just got lazy as shit. It's like Abrams was more concerned with "lets have some cool scenes that fans will eat up" rather than actual plot and logic.

Like when Kylo Ren killed Han on the bridge, and Finn and Rey saw it, turned around, and ran outside and started running their asses off and then Ren suddenly appeared IN FRONT OF THEM???? Unless Jedi can now teleport all of a sudden this made no sense. And if Jedi CAN teleport then Vader, Luke, Yoda, etc. would have done it way before Ren's weak ass. This same "teleporting" shit happened like 3 other times.

Another - Luke's lightsaber just happened to be in an unlocked box, in an unlocked room, in the basement of a random bar?

And I know Han and Chewy had been looking for the Falcon, but they just happened to be right above that planet as Finn and Rey were escaping in the Falcon that had been sitting there forever?

Also, WAY too many "remember this from ANH? WINK WINK!" moments, in addition to it basically being the same damn story.

Finally, it was fucking weird to have Kylo Ren end up being a little gothic weirdo lovechild of Jeff Samardzija and Andy Samberg with some Spicoli from Fast Times thrown in... kept expecting him to throw in a "bro". (Finn did actually did something similar when he said something like "Trooper Please!" )



[Edited on December 19, 2015 at 12:14 AM. Reason : d]

12/18/2015 11:59:56 PM

The lightsaber was in a box and that is a plot hole? Did you want a labyrinth of tunnels and traps to get to it?

12/19/2015 12:37:52 AM

You should use spoiler tags and not give away the plot until opening weekend has passed, BRA.

12/19/2015 12:38:25 AM

^ the whole page has spoilers in it

^^ why would that not be a plot hole? "Oh, out of this galaxy of 10,000s (or more) habitable planets it happen to be on this one?" And even if the weird bar woman was holding it for Luke or something, it would just be sitting in the basement of her bar? The rarest weapon in the world, owned by the most powerful being in the universe who disappeared and it's not locked up or anything? Just sitting there next to some extra chairs for the porch? Good thing Bobby the college student barback didn't steal it one day while changing out the keg of Alderaan Light.


[Edited on December 19, 2015 at 12:47 AM. Reason : s]

12/19/2015 12:44:58 AM

I am sure that Ren just used force speed

12/19/2015 12:55:23 AM

that is a quick burst, like to avoid a blaster, not to run 1/2 a mile

12/19/2015 12:59:27 AM

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" With Empire being a 10, ANH being a 9, ROTJ being a 6, ROTS a 5, AOTC being a 4 and TPM being a 0 "

TPM is way better than AOTC. They're both bad, but AOTC is dreadful.

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"Like when Kylo Ren killed Han on the bridge, and Finn and Rey saw it, turned around, and ran outside and started running their asses off and then Ren suddenly appeared IN FRONT OF THEM???? Unless Jedi can now teleport all of a sudden this made no sense."

The whole planet is a giant underground base. No doubt Ren took a shortcut inside the base while they were running along the surface.

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"And I know Han and Chewy had been looking for the Falcon, but they just happened to be right above that planet as Finn and Rey were escaping in the Falcon that had been sitting there forever?"

They were coming for it. They ran into it. Seems legit.

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"Finally, it was fucking weird to have Kylo Ren end up being a little gothic weirdo lovechild"

For the first time, this franchise has a villain that's not an unflinching lunatic. That's fun.

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"Finn did actually did something similar when he said something like "Trooper Please!""

It was "Droid Please!" And it was funny. As funny as "scruffy-looking nerf herder" at least.

12/19/2015 1:00:11 AM

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"The whole planet is a giant underground base. No doubt Ren took a shortcut inside the base while they were running along the surface."

that is a LOT of assumptions, plus he would have to know where they were running to, which he didnt know, to pick the right shortcut, and there would have to happen to be an opening right there, and if you remember, everything around him on the bridge level was blowing up, I am sure there would be collapsed tunnels, debris etc. Basically Abrams wanted a "cool looking fight in the snowy forest" and didnt put an ounce of thought into it.

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"They were coming for it. They ran into it. Seems legit."

out of all their years of looking, they happen to be there right then... right.

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"It was "Droid Please!" And it was funny. As funny as "scruffy-looking nerf herder" at least."

yeah, real awesome to have "the black guy" say something similar to "nigga please", Abrams is a regular Robert Towne, let me tell you.

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"TPM is way better than AOTC. They're both bad, but AOTC is dreadful."

I disagree. While I wasn't huge on AOTC I did love the progression in the uniforms and equipment so you could see how they were leading to what was in the original trilogy. it at least had visuals. TPM was just blah.

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"This post includes spoilers for Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Star Wars: The Force Awakens is a film of throwbacks. This might sound like stating the obvious about a series built on nostalgia, but more than any other entry, the seventh film in the series is built of callbacks to previous films of the saga. J.J. Abrams’ entire film is a succession of “Remember when…” moments, and whether you find those moments fun or enervating depends to a large extent on your previous connection to the Star Wars universe—as well as your tolerance for cinematic recycling. The plot of the film is a hodgepodge of the original trilogy. A band of resistance warriors fighting the good fight against a mighty, evil foe is a trope as old as literature, so it’s silly to complain about that. And major plot points in this film are clear echoes of moments in the original trilogy, in ways that might feel affectionate or might feel lazy, depending. Once again the bad guys have a weapon that can destroy a planet—Starkiller Base is the Death Star all over again, only even bigger and badder. Once again, the base has a single weak spot; once again, our heroes must get the Imperial shields down in time for pilots to attack that single weak spot. Once again, a beloved elder is cut down by his scion as his next generation companions watch on, helpless and mortified. But other references are clearly meant for the superfans, and it’s those that truly started to grate as the film went on. Rey (Daisy Ripley) leans back against a decrepit old AT-AT and explores the remains of a wrecked Star Destroyer. (She also hangs on to an old-school X-Wing pilot helmet and a little doll with blond hair sporting Luke’s uniform from The Empire Strikes Back.) Once Rey and Finn (John Boyega) board the Millennium Falcon, The Force Awakens goes into full-blown reiteration mode. The pair hide in the smuggling compartments of the ship, the very crannies that Han et al hid in while infiltrating the first Death Star. They also put on the oxygen masks that Han and Leia used to explore the insides of the space slug in The Empire Strikes Back. The scene in which a mynock attaches itself to the windshield of the Falcon in Empire is repeated twice, once when a monster attaches its suction cup to a window and then when the Falcon tries to escape from a freighter’s hangar. Later, Finn accidentally fires up the holochess from the first film, and Chewbacca makes an excited sound, lest the audience didn’t know how to react. Finn also grabs the probe Luke uses to practice his lightsaber skills in A New Hope, and then throws it to the side. Rey mentions one of Star Wars’ most belovedly silly lines when she refers to the Falcon as the ship that made the Kessel Run in 14 parsecs, and Han corrects her by saying it was 12 parsecs. We’re told that there is a problem with the Millennium Falcon’s motivator, the same thingumajig that kept the Falcon from reaching light speed for much of Empire. The Falcon has a similar performance issue reaching climax when Han pleads: “Come on, baby, don’t let me down”; superfans are instantly reminded of Lando Calrissian’s line in Return of the Jedi: “Come on, Han, old buddy, don’t let me down.” Another line that resonates with the earlier films: In Empire, Leia famously called Han a “nerf herder”; in this film, Han is the one with the potty mouth when he refers to someone as a “Moof Milker.” Over and over again, the film delivers moments that are clearly expected to be received as gifts by die-hard fans. Instead, they feel like getting a tie you already have. A mouse droid in an early scene makes the same sound as the one Chewie scares away in Star Wars. BB-8 rolls along the Jakku dunes when a creature raises its periscopic eyes from the sand like the Dianoga in the trash compactor, and makes a seemingly rude comment, a spiritual descendant of “E chu ta!” At an intergalactic watering hole populated with myriad aliens, robots, and weirdos, Finn tries to hitch a ride to the Outer Rim from a pirate as spies from two separate factions report his and his companions’ presence. When Finn finally confronts one of his former compadres, he is accused of being a “traitor,” the insult hurled at him with the same vitriol, and intonation, as “Rebel scum.” If you’re a casual fan, all this must be very exciting: “Oh, I seem to recall that moment” or “hey, I think I know that line!” But the main problem is that these are all so very obvious to a superfan and reveal nothing. They do not add to the saga, they merely reiterate. Far from being impressive, much less most impressive, they are all too easy."

[Edited on December 19, 2015 at 1:19 AM. Reason : d]

12/19/2015 1:02:43 AM

Extreme luck has a lot to do with the force and strong force carriers can sense things and kinda just fall into what theyre looking for. Its always been that way. Han also mentioned that the falcon was fairly easy to track.

To me the bigger worries are how only 1 storm trooper would suddenly turn (the force reached out to him but why him) or how bo made it back to base

12/19/2015 1:25:42 AM

^How Finn was able to resist the brainwashing enough to question the First Order and eventually defect is a major question that I think will be answered in future movies. He is the first stormtrooper we've ever known to not blindly follow orders so something big happened. It isn't out of the question that he was just the first stormtrooper to be force sensitive and that somehow messed with his brainwashing.

That is if he IS force sensitive. He clearly wasn't doing crazy stuff like Rey but I think he MUST have some kind of sensitivity to the force. He was able to hold his own against Kylo Ren in a saber duel -- if it has just been Ren against a "commoner", he would have just sliced Finn in half with no effort. He also picked up the controls for the turrets on the TIE fighter and Falcon fairly quickly.

12/19/2015 3:35:16 AM

Movie would have been better without the Death Star.

First part introducing the characters was really strong. Felt like an adventure. The rebel attack on the death star was boring and felt obligatory

12/19/2015 4:22:32 AM

I agree, I really liked the first 3/4ths, I wasn't a fan of the end other then the fight in the snow and how they handled Han's death.

Definitely could've done without the exact same story as ANH. I would've rather Leia revealed why Rey was important (Luke's daughter, her daughter, etc) and the ending was a rescue mission, not a big fight. But I guess they had to do a Deathstar moment.

The unfortunate part is my hope is that they wanted to get their confidence with this one, and the next one will be more original, but it probably won't be. I'd be willing to be we get a "Rey, I am your father" line delivered by Luke near the end of the next movie.

12/19/2015 8:16:59 AM

So. The force gives people premonitions of the future. Visions of the past. To rey to luke to snok kyon ren and probably maz kanada Etc. We saw that in Rey's vision.

The lightsaber and Rey were probably meant to find each other. Maz might even have known somethong important was going to happen with it and left it there on purpose. Luke could even have told her someone important may come for it.

This is a fantasy movie.

Also, like I said before, this movie paralles other previews plot beats because they had to have this movie work. They are releasing a starwars movie every year for the next decade. They had to have success.


Honestly, it does hurt the movie and my opinion of JJ Abrams. I think he got pretty lucky with the star trek reboot. I'm glad other directors are getting shots with episode 7, 8, rogue one, and the young Han Solo movie.

I don't think anyone has blinders on for this thing because the prequels were so damn terrible.

IMO I am looking at this movie more like a reboot than a sequel.

[Edited on December 19, 2015 at 10:40 AM. Reason : Hh]

12/19/2015 10:37:45 AM

I wish they had made this movie without the idea in mind that theywere making a trilogy in mind or two. That affected how well they made the movie. The best movies are made with only one in mind. Jj would have gone all out to make the best movie possible in hopes to someday be able to make another but you could tell they held a lot back.

They made this movie as an entry point for new fans. I usually hate remakes/reboots and was hoping for a future continuation. The movie was spoiled by the fact that you knew what was going to happen, and how it would all end almost the entire way. No surprises.

12/19/2015 10:57:32 AM

where are all the ladies at? Is it the Man's fault that they are not nearly as abundant as male film directors?

12/19/2015 11:08:41 AM

Rey
General Organa
Man

What I want to know is where are the female Sith?

12/19/2015 11:38:10 AM

I think it would've been a more interesting story to see Kylo actually go back to Han.

Imagine this - as kids both Kylo and Rey were part of Luke's school. Rey's mom is some random person who helps Luke at the school. Kylo goes nuts and kills everyone in the school except Rey because he sees great power in her and wants her to go to the dark side with him. Luke wipes her memory and drops her on Jakku.

Enter 20 years later, Kylo goes back to Han and they are able to rehabilitate him to the light side. Rey gets captured by Snoke who reveals her backstory and turns her against everyone else because nobody is blaming Kylo for what he did.

Could be interesting.

12/19/2015 1:07:01 PM

i think we'll see more kylo ren development in the next movie. after supreme leader snoke mentions wanting to complete his training, we could see kind of a yoda/luke style of mentorship except for the dark side.

12/19/2015 1:14:50 PM

Felt like a rehash of Episode 4

12/19/2015 1:24:26 PM

Ignoring all the other plot holes, disregard for space-time ( for example how did our heroes see the explosion in the sky when Coruscant blew up when they are supposed to be in systems light years away), rehash of the death star, etc

My main issue was that this Rey chick after JUST discovering the force is able to take on some badass with lord. Granted the guy was young but he goes from freezing blaster bolts and slaughtering folks at the beginning to being bested by some newly force awakened chick that has never had training or held a light saber.

Luke went through "a lot" of training before being able to hold his own. In ESB the time like spent with Yoda may have been weeks, this girl had 0.

I found the movie entertaining, funny at times, and great if taken as a tribute for the original trilogy. Just like the new star treks, this movie just seemed to dumb downed to appeal for a general audience then true science fiction and the movie didn't quite feel like a sequel but a rehash of the originals (though this may have been his idea of making it a tribute)

[Edited on December 19, 2015 at 2:39 PM. Reason : K]

12/19/2015 2:35:46 PM

It definitely rehashed the plot from Episode 4, but I'm hoping that now that they've started off the new trilogy they'll be able to move forward with something more original in the next two. There are a lot of plot points that they'll be able to go back to that this one set up so I'd bet some of what is seen as plot holes will be answered in the coming films. Big draw back to making a movie as the planned start to a trilogy.

My biggest issue is that I wanted more clarity on the relationship between the Reliance/Republic/First Order. Maybe one of those things that gets explained in the next couple of films, but I thought that was one thing they'd get out of the way fairly early in this one.

12/19/2015 2:46:22 PM

Yeah I was kinda bothered by the whole resistance thing. Why was the resistance fighting the New Order while the Republic was sitting around waiting to get blown up. Shouldn't Leia be part of the republic

12/19/2015 3:07:51 PM

Fantastic, I loved it.

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"Another - Luke's lightsaber just happened to be in an unlocked box, in an unlocked room, in the basement of a random bar? "

Random bar? They were at that bar for a reason.

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"My main issue was that this Rey chick after JUST discovering the force is able to take on some badass with lord. Granted the guy was young but he goes from freezing blaster bolts and slaughtering folks at the beginning to being bested by some newly force awakened chick that has never had training or held a light saber. "

He's just been shot with Chewie's bowcaster that normally sends dudes flying 30 feet. Give him a break if he's not on his A game.

And Jesus Christ you know the popular and almost always idiotic meaningless criticism "dumbed down" has lost all credibility when people say it about Star Wars. Star Wars is one of the greatest movies of all time but it's never been particularly complicated.

[Edited on December 19, 2015 at 4:24 PM. Reason : ]

12/19/2015 4:15:26 PM

Did not like ending, looked great in 3D, solid movie all around though.

12/19/2015 6:53:11 PM

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" And Jesus Christ you know the popular and almost always idiotic meaningless criticism "dumbed down" has lost all credibility when p"

Part of this were things like then coruscant was blown up, our heroes look up and see a blown up planet in the sky. They are supposed to be in completely different systems. I'll give them the hyper-speed super laser thing but I just didn't understand how they are witnessing the explosion of coruscant with what is supposed to be a place light years away.

The other "dumb" thing was the x-wings mobilizing then jumping into hype space to show up for battle within minutes of the shields going down. In the original trilogy there were implicit lags in the transit times. For example u could reason it took the falcon a week or so to reach clouds city as luke trained. The fleet in RotJ could have been on the way to Endor for hours while the heroes feasted with Ewoks before the final battle. The falcon obviously was in hyper space for quite a bit while obi wan trained Luke going to Endor.

Apparently in JJ Abrams world you just punch the button and you can be anywhere in the galaxy in 30 seconds. Amazing the rebels stayed hidden when even with a couple million habitable planets in the galaxy with 500 (probably reasonable given the resources of the new order) scout vessels visiting a new Planet every ten or twenty minutes you could recon every planet within a couple months.

Abrams did the same shit in star trek that really hurt the movie in my mind. Somehow khan teleports himself to a world 100's light years away. With this technology why even bother having space ships!!! Then on both the pursuit trip and return trip the enterprise can go from the Klignon home world and back within a few minutes. If warp drive is that fucking fast how did no klignon battle cruisers not manage to intercept the enterprise chilling in their system during the whole ground fight.

It's like science fiction with complete disregard for science. I understand future technology allowing advanced civilizations to do cool shit but typically they still operate within some sort of boundary of the real world.

[Edited on December 19, 2015 at 7:35 PM. Reason : H]

12/19/2015 7:33:27 PM

Loved the movie. Had questions of course, but didn't detract from the overall experience.

Not the biggest fan in the world, but a big fan, and I'm glad for that. It seems that the details most people are nit-picking are mostly trivial. I get the who Rey force too soon thing, though. That was a little surprising. But in VIII they may explain she used to be an apprentice so I'll reserve judgement.

12/19/2015 8:12:16 PM

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"supposed to be a place light years away."

Then it would take years to get there at light speed. Those sort of times never passed. I think everything is light minutes apart.

12/19/2015 8:32:53 PM

^^^ It wasn't Coruscant, it was the Hosnian system. And at the theater I thought the planet they were on was in the same system, but since other people made the same complaint maybe it wasn't.

The Falcon took so long to reach Bespin because the hyperdrive was down, Bespin was close enough that they could reach it at sublight.

We don't know how long Hyperdrive takes though and I don't think there has ever been a set time.

[Edited on December 19, 2015 at 8:34 PM. Reason : ]

12/19/2015 8:33:33 PM

Are there any force-ghosts in this movie?

12/19/2015 8:51:21 PM

HUR is dead on.

Another example, when the Kenmore Starkiller 2000 had fired, Kylo Ren was on the bridge of a ship right near it and he watched the ray go by and blow up the planets. And Han and all of them saw it blow up too... then RIGHT after that, Ren's ship was landing on the same planet. Like literally 45 seconds later.

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"Random bar? They were at that bar for a reason."

Han said something like "if anyone knows this old woman does". That's it. Even he was surprised when he saw the light saber. And even ignoring that, and assume he did know, it was just sitting in a box? in the middle of a room with a bunch of other shit, behind an unlocked door, in an unlocked basement and Rey just happen to hear a baby crying and thought, eh, let me go see what's down here, oh shit, a glowing sword! So if Luke disappeared 10-15 years ago or so I am pretty sure SOMEONE would have stumbled on it before now.



[Edited on December 19, 2015 at 10:20 PM. Reason : d]

12/19/2015 10:18:01 PM

we can see other stars in our sky. stars that are far away. assuming this is a part of a galaxy with a lot of brown dwarf star systems near each other, its not far fetched that these events can be seen

12/19/2015 10:23:19 PM

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"My main issue was that this Rey chick after JUST discovering the force is able to take on some badass with lord."

He's not a badass Sith lord. He's an angry adolescent. When people failed Vader, he murdered them with his mind. When people fail Ren, he yells a lot and chops up a control console.

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"Granted the guy was young but he goes from freezing blaster bolts and slaughtering folks at the beginning to being bested by some newly force awakened chick that has never had training or held a light saber."

She's a Skywalker and the light side is always stronger than the dark side.

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"It's like science fiction with complete disregard for science."

It's called fantasy. Star Wars is fantasy, not sci-fi.

12/19/2015 10:25:59 PM

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"It's called fantasy. Star Wars is fantasy, not sci-fi."

I agree, but that doesn't excuse it from awful, glaringly obvious plot holes. Once again, Abrams threw a bunch of shit up on the screen that he knew fans would nut over and was like "eh, they will just be clapping, they wont notice the details, dont worry about it".

[Edited on December 19, 2015 at 10:34 PM. Reason : d]

12/19/2015 10:31:47 PM

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""Granted the guy was young but he goes from freezing blaster bolts and slaughtering folks at the beginning to being bested by some newly force awakened chick that has never had training or held a light saber.""

She definitely has training. Kylo read her mind and she was dreaming about an island, then she meets Luke on an island later. Either she is powerful enough that she can see into the future, or she was training at some point with Luke.

My assumption is they were both in training there, Kylo and Rey were the two most powerful pupils, Kylo went nuts, they hid Rey away in the hopes that she would never use the force/go to the dark side.

12/19/2015 11:45:05 PM

Thank goodness internet nerds didn't exist when IV was released, the might have never been a full original trilogy. You people and your demand for exact science in a fictional world is beyond aggravating. In the fantasy genre, it's the people that matter most. The relationship between characters and how each one of them learns and grows throughout the course of the journey.This movie was no more and no less scientifically accurate than any of the previous 6. Get over it.

And for all of you complaining that it was a rehash...of course it was, and I loved it for that. None of you would have enjoyed Empire or Jedi without A New Hope, so new potential fans had to get into it the same way the old geezers did. These complaints are ONLY coming from the super fans for whom the throwbacks were intended. Folks who haven't been into Star Wars previously can now connect to the same plot devices, references, and jokes with everyone else, and that's a good thing.

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"where are all the ladies at?"

What surprised me most (not necessarily in a good or bad way) was the number of females with the first order. In the command room and especially within the storm trooper ranks. Not to mention the captain of all the troopers.

12/20/2015 12:23:28 AM