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2/3/2020 6:19:46 AM

Corona
Corolla
Toshiba
Toyota
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Zika
Mazda
Altima
Maxima
...

[Edited on February 3, 2020 at 8:50 AM. Reason : ;]

2/3/2020 8:49:20 AM

SHAMIKA

KEISHA

TARA

SHAWNA

SABRINA

CRYSTAL

DARHONDA

2/3/2020 9:09:55 AM

A LITTLE BIT OF RITA'S WHAT I SEE

2/3/2020 10:15:11 AM

My poor wife got “quarantined” at a Mexican restaurant last week... she didn’t realize it till later but they poor the little Chinese girl in a room by herself!! Granted she was coming off a cold from the previous week or so so maybe she coughed.

2/3/2020 9:55:29 PM

Time for some updates, it seems!

Quote :

"Does anyone remember if the quarantine efforts for SARS were this stringent?"

Nothing like this. In fact, putting 60 million people under quarantine, 11 million of them in one city (Wuhan), is unprecedented in world history. Also, during the SARS epidemic, the Chinese government maintained secrecy and did not report the data for several months after the first case.

Wuhan lockdown 'unprecedented', shows commitment to contain virus: WHO representative in China
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-who/wuhan-lockdown-unprecedented-shows-commitment-to-contain-virus-who-representative-in-china-idUSKBN1ZM1G9

Quote :

"I read that the mortality rate is actually much much lower than 2% due to underreporting of active cases."

Full picture will come out in the future, but I don't think the Chinese government is underreporting. In fact, they have been very transparent, unlike with SARS where they did not make any data public for several months after the first case.

Quote :

"Saw an estimate the number of infected in Wuhan could be more like 75k."

Who knows... but from all I have seen, the government is being very transparent. In fact, there are so many conspiracy theories now, mostly being propagated by flat-earthers, anti-vaxxers, QAnons, Trumpers, and other sheep, at least as far as the US goes. The most persistent ones: It is a bioweapon, it is lab-made in Wuhan, the US released it on China because of trade talks, Bill Gates/Rothschilds/NWO/etc did it for population control, Lysol knew about it ages ago (because Lysol cans say it call kill the "Human Coronavirus" ). Here you go, have fun:

Here's A Running List Of Disinformation Spreading About The Coronavirus
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/coronavirus-disinformation-spread

QAnon Supporters And Anti-Vaxxers Are Spreading A Hoax That Bill Gates Created The Coronavirus
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/qanon-supporters-and-anti-vaxxers-are-spreading-a-hoax-that

Wikipedia: Disinformation and conspiracy theories
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_Wuhan_coronavirus_outbreak#Disinformation_and_conspiracy_theories

Quote :

"The one bright side is even just counting China only, the deaths are all occurring in Hubei. Only 10 deaths have occurred in Rest of China."

True. Of course, numbers have increased since then: 427 deaths, of which 350 in Hubei, 65 in rest of China, and 2 outside China.

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Worth your time:

Is This The Man Behind The Global Coronavirus Pandemic?
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic

Reaction:
A Pro-Trump Blog Doxed A Chinese Scientist It Falsely Accused Of Creating The Coronavirus As A Bioweapon
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/a-pro-trump-blog-has-doxed-a-chinese-scientist-it-falsely

Rebuttal:
Zerohedge Suspended On Twitter
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/zerohedge-suspended-twitter

Revenge:
BuzzFeed Journo Reportedly Blogged About Pedo Fantasies, Rape Jokes And Doxing
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/buzzfeed-journo-reportedly-blogged-about-pedo-fantasies-rape-jokes-and-doxing

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Bloody bats, it's the bats! Thank you for Ebola, SARS, MERS, and now nCoV. Also some rare virus called Nipah (from pigs) which has a fatality rate of 78%. The bastards are themselves immune to the viruses!

The Chinese (and Africans) have to stop eating bushmeat dammit. That's how most of these things have started.

SARS: Bats -> Civets -> Humans
MERS: Bats -> Camels -> Humans
nCoV: Bats -> Snakes -> Humans (not fully confirmed yet)
Ebola: Bats -> Humans

Good reads, with the 2nd link comparing number of cases and fatality rates of the 5 viruses I mentioned just above.

First Sars, now the Wuhan coronavirus. Here’s why China should ban its wildlife trade forever
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3047828/first-sars-now-wuhan-coronavirus-heres-why-china-should-ban-its

Experts think the Wuhan coronavirus jumped from bats to snakes to people. Bats have been the source of at least 4 pandemics.
https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-sars-bats-animals-to-humans-2020-1

Duke-NUS Medical School team discovers why bats make perfect hosts for deadly viruses like SARS
https://www.mothership.sg/2020/01/why-bat-virus-wuhan

The secret to bats' immunity
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/02/190226112401.htm
Full journal article: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-019-0371-3

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Talking of bushmeat, here is some info about the wet market from where the nCoV is thought to have originated in Wuhan:

Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huanan_Seafood_Wholesale_Market

Check out the list of items sold:

Badgers[20]
Bats[21]
Beavers[22]
Camel[3][20]
Chickens[21]
Civets[23]
Crab[17]
Crocodiles[3]
Dogs[23]
Donkeys[20]
Emmental cheese[24]
Foxes[3]
Giant salamanders[3]
Hedgehog[24]
Herbs[24]
"Koalas"[13][25][a]
Marmots[21]
Ostrich[6]
Otters[23]
Peacocks[3]
Pheasants[7]
Pigs[20]
Porcupines[3]
Rabbit organs[26]
Rats[3]
Sheep[20]
Shrimp[17]
Spices[16]
Spotted deer[26]
Striped bass[17]
Turtles[17]
Vegetables[17]
Venomous snakes (including Bungarus multicinctus)[27]
Wolf puppies[3]

See an image of one market 'stall':
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic

Lots of pics and short clips of the market here:

Outrageous menu from Wuhan’s market shows live deer, peacocks, wolf pups & over 100 wild animals on sale
https://mothership.sg/2020/01/wild-animal-wuhan-market

Market walkthrough:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TevhYPaqGl4 (WARNING: Viewer discretion advised)

VICE News reporter walking through market and asking sellers and buyers about their views on dog-eating
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP8UQKfarw8 (not nearly as gory as one above)

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Good news:

THAI DOCTORS SAY THEY CURED PATIENT OF CORONAVIRUS ‘IN 48 HOURS’
http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/2020/02/02/thai-doctors-say-they-cured-patient-of-coronavirus-in-48-hours

They used a cocktail of HIV and flu drugs.

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Politics:

The Racialisation of Coronavirus
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/02/03/the-racialisation-of-coronavirus

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Really good comparison of SARS, MERS, and nCoV... the graph is mind-blowing! No wonder people are scared!

Comparing outbreaks
How the new virus compares to previous coronavirus outbreaks
https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-VIRUS-COMPARISON/0100B5BY3CY/index.html

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5 days ago, it was ~8,000 cases and 170 deaths. Those numbers have ballooned significantly, and the cases are now in 28 countries:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus

Cases: 20,696
Critical: 2,790 (of above)
Deaths: 427
Recovered: 730

Cases increasing daily by ~2,500 these days

And the transmission rate has been revised since my last post (2-3, 5 days ago, now 3-4, maybe higher):

Now:

Quote :

"A more recent study is indicating a Ro as high as 4.08.[22]. This value substantially exceeds WHO's estimate (made on Jan. 23) of between 1.4 and 2.5[13], and is also higher than recent estimates between 3.6 and 4.0 and between 2.24 to 3.58 [23]. Preliminary studies had estimated Ro to be between 1.5 and 3.5 [5][6][7] Based on these numbers, on average every case of the Novel Coronavirus would create 3 to 4 new cases."

US specific information:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa-coronavirus

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Personal:

Schools were ordered closed till Feb 17 when I posted last, but now that has been changed to March 2! LOL, my daughter (10 yo) is happy but we are doing [easy] grade 10 math and bio IGCSE (UK board exams) exam questions with her at home . And playing lots of badminton, ping pong, and going for nature walks and hikes.

Many companies are asking their employees to work from home, where possible, including where I work. Worked from home yesterday, but came in today. Nearly every single person walking outside is wearing a face-mask these days. (normally 5-10%)

Some 7,000+ health workers went on strike yesterday and today to force the government to close all border crossings with China. (17 cases here, with 1 of only 2 deaths outside China)

Long lines at some grocery stores, with certain items selling out fast. Face mask shortage as well, with thousands standing in line at pharmacies for 2-3 hours last week Thursday to get some from the fresh shipments, but those have run out as well.

Time to put on my mask and head home! :facemask emoji: (qntmfred: can we get one? )


[Edited on February 4, 2020 at 7:39 AM. Reason : TWW is a blog and a news site... took me 1.5 hours to put this all together!]

2/4/2020 7:22:51 AM

you post like someone's racist stepdad on facebook

fucking tone it down

2/4/2020 8:07:03 AM

My in-laws are actually from the Wuhan metropolitan area along the Yangtze River. Pray for their people!

2/4/2020 8:54:21 AM

Prayer is not effective, shoot. Is there a more concrete act you'd like to ask for?

2/4/2020 8:59:20 AM

I can't think of anything now. I think Chairman Xi can handle everything by himself. Wuhan is a highly sensitive and crucial city throughout China's 5000 years of history. He should know how to deal with the emergency, unless he's really a dumb.



[Edited on February 4, 2020 at 9:13 AM. Reason : ;]

2/4/2020 9:08:56 AM

Dumbling/dumb-ass

2/4/2020 10:07:07 AM

Increased by nearly 4k in one day, damn.

Cases: 24,552
Critical: 3,223 (of above)
Deaths: 492
Recovered: 907


Do you like crematorium math? Then watch this:

https://youtu.be/YL4Cns-Ubyc

Who knows what the truth is... :shrug:


[Edited on February 4, 2020 at 10:57 PM. Reason : ]

2/4/2020 10:54:34 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/IsChinar

A Twitter feed with some videos and black humor.

Some of the social aspects of this going on with the Chinese government acting like, well, Communists: this could seriously bring down Xi. Although I'm sure he has scapegoats lined up.

Posts yesterday from another message board I'm on.

Quote :

"Today is the first day I've sort of panicked and realised I might need to leave China very soon. Possibly this week or next. It's getting real hairy over here real fast. I've sat quarantined in my apartment in Beijing for four days since getting back from the CNY break slowly losing my mind. I've been living in denial but today was the day I cracked a bit and realised I'm not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy. No one knows what the fuck is going on really which is the scary thing, but I'm looking around with my own eyes and it doesn't look good. I saw a guy being carried out to an ambulance by paramedics in full protective gear across the road from where I live this evening. The armchair experts on here trying to convince people its no worse than the regular flu genuinely crack me up. The censorship is also going through the roof, even for China. I'm kind of worried to discuss it objectively over Wechat in group chats, stories of people going missing, a lot of messages getting conspicuously deleted, Western media stories of the outbreak are now completely banned on Wechat.  The other thing is the social unrest/economic side of things. The flu is worrying, but the social unrest that might be brewing is even more frightening. No one is working. I think after tomorrow, unless you have the capacity to work from home, to the best of my knowledge you're not getting paid. All the shops are shut except for the supermarkets basically and shit is flying off the shelves. Economic consumption must have slid to a crawl because there's nothing to buy. Anyone who's spent any real time in China knows the whole place is a house of cards but it's ok because the music keeps on playing and house prices go up and the Gucci bags keep on rolling. There isn't unrest yet but if this carried on for a few more weeks which it could well do, I could see there starting to be some real problems over here in a society with few if any safety valves when things go wrong."

Quote :

"was in Laos with old mates from uni over the break. Basically a two week long bender and didn't check my phone or read the news the whole time I was away. I had been loosely following the Wuhan thing for a bit but it didn't seem like that big a deal until a couple of weeks ago, then just seemed to blow up over CNY. Ran in to a couple of other expats in Vang Vieng who also lived in Beijing on CNY night and they told me they weren't going back to Beijing and staying put/going home. I wasn't really sober enough to comprehend the seriousness of the situation and sort of went in to denial and just ignored the whole thing until I got back to China. One of my mates who I was traveling with is a doctor and tried to explain that going back was pretty stupid under the circumstances but naturally I knew better.  I was still in denial really up until today that it's a serious situation and I probably shouldn't be here any longer. I live in Sanlitun which is like the main entertainment/nightlife area of Beijing. Went for a walkabout on both Friday and Saturday evenings and it was completely dead but at the same time it felt surreal and didn't really all sink in until today."

I advised him with countries closing flights if he wants to get out, he better do it soon, and to call the New Zealand Embassy (his country) for advice/help.

[Edited on February 5, 2020 at 6:40 AM. Reason : .]

2/5/2020 6:40:02 AM

Australia is better for seeking help I think, or maybe Papua New Guinea.

2/5/2020 9:10:13 AM

If you want to throw fire on the official numbers not being real.

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594

Quote :

"TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — As many experts question the veracity of China's statistics for the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak, Tencent over the weekend seems to have inadvertently released what is potentially the actual number of infections and deaths, which were astronomically higher than official figures. On late Saturday evening (Feb. 1), Tencent, on its webpage titled "Epidemic Situation Tracker", showed confirmed cases of novel coronavirus (2019nCoV) in China as standing at 154,023, 10 times the official figure at the time. It listed the number of suspected cases as 79,808, four times the official figure. The number of cured cases was only 269, well below the official number that day of 300. Most ominously, the death toll listed was 24,589, vastly higher than the 300 officially listed that day. Moments later, Tencent updated the numbers to reflect the government's "official" numbers that day. Netizens noticed that Tencent has on at least three occasions posted extremely high numbers, only to quickly lower them to government-approved statistics."

Screenshots at the link.

2/5/2020 6:37:45 PM

^ wow, that's crazy.

those are similar to the numbers in the YT clip i posted in my previous post.

i really hope it is not that bad. if it is, that's really serious then, and the measures adopted by other countries are not adequate.

2/6/2020 12:59:50 AM

^^I came here to post that tencent link.

Wonder how much, if any, truth there is to it.

2/6/2020 8:29:35 AM

Zero, probably.

2/6/2020 9:08:46 AM

^ why?

I will admit, I believed China's numbers until a few days ago, because I thought they had learned their lesson from SARS.

But now with more information coming out, what is known is that they are lying/have lied about at least something. Whether they are lying about the numbers or not, I don't know. But, their credibility is definitely in tatters now.

Paper on Virus Transmission Sparks Outrage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpxf6UHGeb8

Chinese scientists confirmed human-to-human transmission way back in mid-December, but they did not let the scientists release the information to the public. The gov only told the world about human-to-human transmission Jan 20.

Public mourning in China after death of coronavirus whistle-blower doctor Li Wenliang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfGML4Cl2As

A doctor who blew the whistle on early cases in his hospital and did confirm human-to-human transmission end of December was punished by the authorities for "rumour-mongering". He contracted the virus and died yesterday, causing outrage among the population and leading to increased calls for freedom of speech; he is being mourned by all as a hero. The CCP are taking it so seriously -- because the last thing they want is people asking for freedom, and not because they wrongfully punished someone -- that they have sent their top anti-corruption investigators to Wuhan to placate the populace.

Story: Death of coronavirus doctor Li Wenliang becomes catalyst for ‘freedom of speech’ demands in China
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3049606/coronavirus-doctors-death-becomes-catalyst-freedom-speech

More details here: The Chinese doctor who tried to warn others about coronavirus
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51364382

Quote :

""We solemnly warn you: If you keep being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal activity, you will be brought to justice - is that understood?" Underneath in Dr Li's handwriting is written: "Yes, I do.""

Dr. Li is a legend and a hero... RIP

Fuck CCP, fucking treacherous, insidious bastards


Latest official figures:

Cases: 34,915
Critical: 6,106 (of above)
Deaths: 724
Recovered: 2,085

2/8/2020 4:36:47 AM

Coronavirus: Russian media hint at US conspiracy
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51413870

Seems like the Trump-Putin bromance is not paying off

Quote :

"The coronavirus outbreak in China has provided fertile ground for conspiracy theories and misinformation on the web everywhere, but in Russia they are being spread on primetime news programmes. Russian TV is also unique in having a consistent overall thrust: that shadowy Western elites and especially the US are somehow ultimately to blame. One of main national TV networks, Channel One, has even launched a regular slot devoted to coronavirus conspiracy theories on its main evening news programme, Vremya ("Time"). The style of the reporting is ambiguous, appearing to debunk the theories while leaving viewers with the impression that they contain a kernel of truth. One of the wilder ideas aired by Vremya recently is that the presence of the word "corona", which means crown in both Latin and Russian, in the word coronavirus hints that Donald Trump is somehow involved."

The world has gone batshit crazy.

2/8/2020 5:23:44 AM

Just out of curiosity, what happens if no one shows up at Sharon Harris for a couple of days?

I realize they have tons of safety checks in place, I'm just curious about the process.

2/11/2020 2:35:22 PM

pretty sure it would shut itself down, and also pretty sure that it can be controlled off-site.

2/11/2020 3:40:20 PM

^^ Wtf does that have to do with anything?

[Edited on February 12, 2020 at 10:35 PM. Reason : https://gizmodo.com/please-do-not-drink-silver-to-kill-the-coronavirus-1841646976]

2/12/2020 10:34:40 PM

Because when it gets here, ain't nobody gon' show up.

I kinda picture this thread devolving into the new "zombie attacks Raleigh" thread.

2/12/2020 10:54:43 PM

Quote :

"when it gets here"

2/12/2020 11:11:52 PM

its kinda irrational. people do all kinds of nasty shit during flu season, don't get flu shots, and don't care about the flu while tens of thousands die from it each year. One new virus kills 1400 people in China and its suddenly the zombie apocalypse.

2/13/2020 2:29:12 AM

^ It is far deadlier than the common flu, approximately 40 times more lethal.

2% >> 0.05%

2/13/2020 7:33:47 AM

is this a China population control tactic?

2/13/2020 6:41:23 PM

I think it's a planet Earth population control tactic.

2/13/2020 8:14:57 PM

So on the Diamond Princess ship, there were about 3600 total people on board. They've almost tested half, and 454 people on board confirmed to have coronavirus.

So at minimum, 12% of the ship confirmed to have been infected, 25% of those tested confirmed to be infected.

There was another cruise ship the Westerdam that was not being allowed to dock anywhere. A port in Cambodia finally allowed them, then an elderly American gets off, travels to Malaysia, and is confirmed there to have coronavirus.

If you're on a cruise ship somewhere off the east Asian coast, sucks for you. The Diamond Princess by itself is the 2nd largest confirmed infection rate after China, although I've noticed other countries' confirmed infection starting to edge up larger numbers. The countries that are near China and have greater Chinese travel ties - Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore, Thailand - are starting to say they have 3 more confirmed infections in a day instead of just one here, one a couple days later.

There's also places in the region like North Korea and Indonesia (has a gigantic population and large Chinese travel links) are presently saying they have zero cases, which some academics are starting to openly question "how?"

2/17/2020 12:28:56 PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8009669/Did-coronavirus-originate-Chinese-government-laboratory.html

We're living in The Stand

2/17/2020 12:51:09 PM

https://politicalwire.com/2020/02/17/tom-cotton-spreads-rumor-about-coronavirus/

2/17/2020 2:14:49 PM

The dailymail article I linked mentions nothing of Tom Cotton nor Bannon.

2/17/2020 2:48:18 PM

Since last Friday it's taken off in South Korea, Iran, and Italy.

Trump's asking for $2 billion to be reallocated to fight it. Senators were told they're 12 to 18 months away from a vaccine. And CDC and them seem resigned to a bunch of cases occurring somewhere here.

[Edited on February 25, 2020 at 10:39 AM. Reason : .]

2/25/2020 10:37:56 AM

I'm scared there could be an Outbreak here like in the movie.

2/25/2020 10:42:19 AM

https://abcnews.go.com/International/coronavirus-live-updates-cdc-warns-americans-significant-disruption/story?id=69190968&cid=clicksource_4380645_4_three_posts_card_hed

2/25/2020 9:23:15 PM

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1232671500731203584?s=20

2/26/2020 9:29:55 AM

I feel for North Korea. I bet it’s already there we just don’t know about it... just finished “crash landed on you” on the Netflix so I’m feeling bad for those folks now

2/26/2020 9:58:45 PM

https://www.ibtimes.sg/north-koreas-first-confirmed-coronavirus-covid-19-patient-shot-dead-report-40042

2/27/2020 1:13:49 PM

Well that's one way to handle containment.

2/27/2020 4:08:37 PM

That's how communist countries treat their people

2/27/2020 4:51:38 PM

$5 trillion in value been knocked off the global stock markets this past week.

2/28/2020 8:17:13 AM

I'm having a hard time deciding if it is really just a severe cold or if it's worse than what is being reported.

2/28/2020 8:35:25 AM

^ what does it matter? It would behoove you to prepare for the worst, especially considering the recommended course of action thus far involves a minimal investment on your part (wash your hands more often, cover your mouth and nose when you sneeze, avoid shaking hands with ppl, etc...). Even if this whole thing is overblown, you are still better off.

2/28/2020 9:17:09 AM

^^^ Dow Jones plunges 1200 in one day. Stocks on track for biggest weekly losses since the great recession.
China is damaging the whole world.

2/28/2020 9:24:27 AM

^^Because when you have a 6 year old and a 15 month old, it gets a little more difficult. It gets in the daycare, then it's coming home. I don't have family close, so it would be difficult to arrange home-care. The 6 year old washes her hands, but if you've ever spent much time with children, you know they aren't the most careful of hand washers and keep-to-yourselfers

[Edited on February 28, 2020 at 9:26 AM. Reason : ^]

2/28/2020 9:24:34 AM

for some people it seems not that severe, but in others it's much more severe than the flu. the flu is severe enough to hospitalize something like 1% of infected, with coronavirus its about 20% is
severe or critical (i assume this will come down as amount of testing increases)


you don't need to freak out but you should pay attention. institutions and large organizations should already be planning and preparing.

infection rates amoung young people is very low, it's much more of a concern if you are 50+

[Edited on February 28, 2020 at 9:44 AM. Reason : .]

2/28/2020 9:43:16 AM

^^ Right if you have a big family to protect/take care of, you could be stressed out. We have to survive and strive through it.

[Edited on February 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM. Reason : Dow Jones -1072 so far today]

2/28/2020 9:54:51 AM

It won't last long, it was made in china

2/28/2020 11:09:55 AM

Quote :

"^^Because when you have a 6 year old and a 15 month old, it gets a little more difficult. It gets in the daycare, then it's coming home. I don't have family close, so it would be difficult to arrange home-care. The 6 year old washes her hands, but if you've ever spent much time with children, you know they aren't the most careful of hand washers and keep-to-yourselfers"

Yeah, I feel like I've gotten all the niggling coughes, colds, and sneezes from my 2 little ones the past year they bring back from daycare. 3 years old and almost 2. Couple years ago the hospitals up here banned children from visiting.

It's the most plausible epidemic in the States. Kids get it, pass it around the daycare or school, seems from the news they're fine, but then go home and give it to their grandparents or not-as-healthy parents, who are the ones statistically most likely the virus will knock down.

[Edited on February 28, 2020 at 11:30 AM. Reason : /]

2/28/2020 11:29:24 AM