fiiiiiiiiiinally saw this car on the road. 3 of them actually (over 1100 miles of driving on I-95). Of course, they were all traveling the other direction so I didn't get great looks or a great idea of their size/road presence. Maybe one day soon.

7/31/2012 1:10:07 PM

when i check this thread i hit command F... type in turbo...
no new hits... /care.

7/31/2012 2:48:29 PM

I saw a BRZ coming down Jones Franklin Rd Near Tryon the other day. Blue BRZ. Looked pretty damn awesome. At first I thought it was a Genesis coupe with a factory aero kit or something, then I noticed the Subaru badge. Then I was like WOAH. Looked good.

7/31/2012 4:02:12 PM

Did you dust him in your MX-3? Wouldn't have been too hard

7/31/2012 4:25:36 PM

Nah. I wanted to level the playing field, so I picked the vehicle with the same hp...

IS250.

7/31/2012 11:19:02 PM

So in this month's R&T they seem quite confident there will a FI version. They mentioned the rumor of a 280 Scion model and a 274 hp Scooby version. Wonder where they're hearing that. And then Motor Trent mentions the coming of a FI version during their Best Driver's Car competition.

Hmm, really wondering where they're hearing this crap b/c there is nothing on the internet.

8/24/2012 12:53:04 PM

There's an interesting thread on S2ki in the racing and track section about the FT-86. Stock vs stock, the S2000 dominates it, as expected, but folks are saying the FT-86 catches up pretty quickly with mods. Far better aero seems to be part of the reason (S2000 being pretty much a pig aerodynamically).

It'll be interesting to see how the aftermarket turbo ones do when they hit the track, and how the factory ones do if they ever really happen.

I somewhat want to go sit in one again, this time with a helmet, and see if the headroom issues would really bother me wearing a helmet or not.

8/24/2012 1:57:54 PM

^^^If I remember the 86 has the same transmission as the manual IS250?

8/24/2012 3:03:11 PM

I really, like looking at them.

8/24/2012 5:38:17 PM

^^^Yeah I've been reading all of psychoazn's posts. Interesting stuff. The big aerodynamic problem with the S2000 is rear lift more than anything else. Sure it's got drag at the speeds most stock S2000 circle a track it's that rear end lift that makes things trickier in high speed turns

8/25/2012 12:53:19 PM

http://www.pandlmotorsports.com/osCommerce/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=718&osCsid=8a3586d1bfe1d531444afeb265c82a9c

problem solved.

9/18/2012 11:25:44 AM

are there any dyno charts?

Figure $7000-8000 installed and tuned?

9/18/2012 12:47:19 PM

All relevant to BRZ, FRS, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EjVRhnv3X8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmkvIGvZRVI&feature=endscreen&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlvm3sLTmq0&feature=fvwp&NR=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEGEVfdYntk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX8Cx47ofz8
324whp 250wtq at 9lbs on? a Dyno Dynamics..

9/18/2012 1:04:09 PM

Not a chance in hell I would trust that type of power level on stock internals at the track.

9/18/2012 1:18:41 PM

on e85... that ain't shit....

no really.... those internals are being cooled back down to stock like sizes and stress levels thanks to the 109 octane and fuck ton of energy e85 obsorbs.


i would drive it on track for DAYS like that.

and i bet the motor would even run cool with stock cooling system... you'd have to put a shit ton of fuel in it but... it would be fine

9/18/2012 1:52:00 PM

That's great. Why don't you now point out all the plentiful E85 stations conveniently located everywhere

9/18/2012 1:58:14 PM

there is one near downtown and one off 55 in chapel hill...

yes... i'm still kicking around the idea of converting...

all i'm saying is those numbers ARE on e85 so that's what you should consider.

it would probably be 6 psi on pump and 280whp

9/18/2012 2:26:05 PM

OH

yeah I didn't click on the video links. Usually don't from work. So didn't realize those numbers are on E85. 6 psi sounds more like it but on cast internals with a very high stock compression ratio you have to wonder

9/18/2012 2:49:17 PM

direct injection....

the new focus st runs 12 psi @ 10:1 compression ratio.

9/18/2012 3:30:51 PM

wow, really? 10 psi? That seems like a pretty crappy power output for 10 psi

9/18/2012 3:56:31 PM

^ You mean 12psi at 10:1 compression ratio. Atmospheric pressure at sea level is around 14.7 psi, so compression would be around 147 psi, amirite?

9/18/2012 7:33:06 PM

psi is of little significance compared to CFM

9/18/2012 7:38:42 PM

yes somehow ford made more hp from the k03 then a maxed out vw can.

yes psi doesn't mean shit if its nothing but hot air and timing has to be retarded to compensate for the heat.

we are not teaching turbo dynamics nor arguing about it in this thread.

if you want to know almost anything about turbo machinery pm me..

its one thing i'm REALLY good at.

9/18/2012 9:20:42 PM

[Edited on September 18, 2012 at 10:38 PM. Reason : ]

9/18/2012 10:37:50 PM

Gg

9/18/2012 10:46:07 PM

lol, i realize there are other factors. still seemed unimpressive. Especially since Mazda came out with the same car 5 years ago

9/19/2012 9:07:03 AM

Quote :

"psi is of little significance compared to CFM "

actually, it's mass flow rate. that's all that matters.


more mass through that hard pumpin machine, the better.

[Edited on September 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM. Reason : i.e. Mike Boles up in here]

9/19/2012 9:21:38 AM

^ nailed it

Mass flow is a function of temp, pressure and volumetric flow...

So the statement of psi vs cfm are equally significant... In being 2 parts of the whole equation

Temp is also a function of pressure ratio and compressor efficiency...

And then all this gets royally complicated when you include turbine/wastegate induced back pressure.

[Edited on September 19, 2012 at 9:59 AM. Reason : Ratio]

9/19/2012 9:59:06 AM

Full Blown Stage 1 turbo kit:

Quote :

"- FBM EL Turbo manifold - Garrett GTX2867 with Tial V-band housing - FBM Aluminum intercooler Piping with couplers - FBM 3" V-band Downpipe - FBM 550hp Intercooler - FBM Intake Pipe - FBM Dump tube - Tial 50mm BOV - Tial 44mm Wastegate - FBM 550cc injectors - FBM 270LPH Pump - FBM Dual slim fans - All Hardware/oil lines and gaskets - FBM 7psi Basemap Tuned with Ecutek List Price $6295 Introductory Price $5995 (Kits comes with a overnight label for both ways) When you receive the kit, you will ship us the ecu and we will flash it with our 7psi tune and overnight it back. **No additional cost cost for license or tune. Here is the dyno @ 7psi on 91 octane pump gas vs the stock baseline. The E85 tune and 3" exhaust with higher boost tune is coming. "

How's this one look to you fellas? 276 whp seems pretty respectable. They're working on a 93 octane tune as well

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17592

[Edited on September 19, 2012 at 10:50 AM. Reason : 93]

9/19/2012 10:49:05 AM

that front mounted turbo is hooootttt shit in the looks department

from that thread:


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high speed camera?

[Edited on September 19, 2012 at 11:16 AM. Reason : -]

9/19/2012 11:00:32 AM

^^ So for ~$42k you get a 300hp turbo boxer 4, RWD with 6spd MT, 2,700lb wet weight car with a fixed roof?

A bit pricey for my taste, but respectable, imo.

9/19/2012 12:49:17 PM

^^yeah I guess. Also in case you didn't notice that's an S2000

^$26,000 car + $6,000 kit = $32,000. I'm not sure how much installation is but I would guess a lot less than $10k? And with that 91 octane tune it's 325 hp assuming 15% loss.

[Edited on September 19, 2012 at 12:56 PM. Reason : k]

9/19/2012 12:55:56 PM

276whp is a joke for all that effort. And not a very good one.

9/19/2012 1:26:26 PM

why's that?

9/19/2012 3:48:34 PM

^I suppose he's saying he expects more power for that same investment (well, duh)

apparrently it was discussed on the forum that the kit could be upgraded to a GT35R with a turbo/intercooler/tune swap. That would be the tits... and would probably kill some other parts

Quote :

"Also in case you didn't notice that's an S2000 "

I guessed a 240 off the top of my head

[Edited on September 19, 2012 at 5:36 PM. Reason : -]

9/19/2012 5:35:33 PM

35r is too big for a street car 2.0liter.
Some s2ks pull it off ok because of the 9k redline

9/19/2012 6:39:48 PM

yeah.... I'm use to seeing gt37's gt40's on diesels, so i didnt give it any thought

9/19/2012 7:53:46 PM

yeah... for subies... the 8500 rpm guys will use twin scroll gt40s and borgs of similar size on 2.5s with huge cams +1mm valves etc. but they're the guys holding speed records and such.

9/19/2012 8:33:05 PM

Quote :

" So for ~$42k"

Damnit. Me and my typos!!!!

9/20/2012 12:10:11 AM

Quote :

"^^ So for ~$42k $32k you get a 300hp 330hp turbo boxer 4, RWD with 6spd MT, 2,700lb wet weight car with a fixed roof? A bit pricey for my taste, but respectable, imo."

After editing your comment to what you meant to say, I have to ask what would match it for the same price? The closest comparison (of power and lightweight) is a Cayman S with no options, for around $62k. It would shame a 370Z around a track, ditto an Evo or STI. And would probably be a match for a Mustang GT (inferior power to weight but far superior handling). Of course it's an aftermarket job but I'm trying to identify a superior alternative

Fingers crossed that FI comes from the factory soon, for an MSRP under $32k.

9/20/2012 11:24:18 PM

Saw a BRZ at the 1/4 mile strip today. It did 3 or 4 passes and they ranged between 15.7 and 16.0 with trap between 88 and 90mph.

9/22/2012 11:24:37 PM

lol, so sad.

9/25/2012 1:46:02 PM

^ehe.

who knows for the guy driving that particular car, but, I love it when people go to the strip thinking they are going to run faster than the magazine test times and get pwnt by their lack of driving prowess.

9/25/2012 2:24:10 PM

yeah... when i big turboed the roo i was timing 0-60 and i was like 5.7

9/25/2012 5:45:49 PM

An FRS parked behind me yesterday at 286 when I was biking. Talked to the owner for a few minutes, and while he seemed to really enjoy his car, he told me that he would prefer an S2000 over it.

9/26/2012 8:19:57 AM

I'm pretty sure that what I saw at the dragstrip was a fair representation of what the BRZ can do in real life, with real people and less than ideal conditions.

9/26/2012 11:17:52 PM

That's unfortunate...because I've recorded runs like that with my GS-R

9/26/2012 11:46:11 PM

There were 5 FRS/BRZs in attendance at this week's C&C and I spent a lot of time talking with 1-2 owners. One was very interested in my S2000 and after he looked around it for a while I went over and checked out his BRZ. Nice looking car all around and I was amazed at how much space there is under the hood! I'm not talking about EU pedestrian crash standards space. More like you could put a large pizza box on the engine, close the hood, and not worry about pinching it at all. Really makes me question why the hood line is so high!

When sitting in the car I really liked the position of the gauges, gear shifter and steering wheel. Also the seat felt great and very supportive. However, I do not have enough leg room. Every account that I have heard from tall people regarding the interior is that they were comfortable and had enough leg room. So I was quite surprised to find that I could not slide the seat back enough to be completely comfortable. There was still clearance between the seatback and the rear seat cushion too. All I need is 1-2 extra clicks in the track . As the car sits now I would say it's leg room is inferior to the S2000 and on par with my GS-R.

Could be another deal breaker for me as I told myself my next car would have more leg room. Wonder if you can buy aftermarket seat mounts that let the seat go back further??

10/8/2012 10:56:19 AM

the thing that pisses me off is this :

make it fuel efficient or don't... but this no mans land where it landed is where my leggy is and... my legacy will out brute force the shit out of a brz in everything (grip & power)

lacking the balance and refinement... yep... but on track i promise the leggy wins even on 15psi instead of 22.

10/8/2012 11:57:10 AM

I'll be damned.

Leg Room:

S2000 - 44.3 inches
BRZ/FRS - 41.9 inches

10/8/2012 1:29:27 PM