^^you are either dumb as hell or your trolling attempts took you too far. Your first paragraph has zero to do with what she said. I'm not even going to attempt to correct you so good luck.

6/25/2020 8:08:22 AM

Angela Davis statement starts with a bunch of disclaimers about how she thinks neither party will lead us to a better future and will not support either candidate. then she says "BUT" and completely pivots into why we should vote for Biden anyway because:

1. He will allow us to continue to organize and protest (as if that needs the president's blessing)
2. He will actually be amenable to our pressure



Trump and foxnews are always saying what Angela Davis is saying. I brought receipts.

Quote :

"“Biden is a helpless puppet of the radical left. And he’s not radical left. I don’t think he knows what he is any more. But he’s controlled by the radical left”."

-Donald Trump

Quote :

"When the chips are down, Biden will always cave to the radical left. He'll always bow to the angry mob"

-Donald Trump

https://www.foxnews.com/media/joe-biden-shift-appeal-far-left-dems-critic

Quote :

"“If American politics is moving left, expect Biden to do the same. Biden was often cast as a centrist or a moderate during the Democratic primaries, but those labels don’t really describe his politics that well -- he doesn’t really seem to have any kind of set ideology at all,” Bacon Jr. wrote."

Quote :

"Laura Ingraham: If Biden wins, he'll be no more than a 'figurehead' for the radical left"

Do you even watch foxnews? All they talk about is how "amenable" Biden will be to BLM, AOC, and the "radical left" in general.

I don't believe it and am asking for evidence. If no one can provide it, then I'm going to continue to believe it doesn't exist and that this argument is 100% faith based (fear based from FOXNEWS).


[Edited on June 25, 2020 at 11:07 AM. Reason : if what foxnews says is true, i'd definitely be voting for biden so I WANT to believe it]

6/25/2020 11:00:57 AM

Your argument is bad faith and/or poor reading comprehension and/or dumb, so my only response is

No of fucking course I don't watch fox News

6/25/2020 12:15:45 PM

lol at the idea of Biden being beholden to the 'radical left'. He's always basically been in the center of Dem spectrum. He probably sees himself as a peacemaker among the different factions of the Dems.

These attacks probably would have worked against Bernie because he was a bigger bogeyman for Fox News and their ilk, but for Biden it's laughable

6/25/2020 12:20:19 PM

Trump is like two interviews away from endorsing Biden.

[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 7:06 AM. Reason : X]

6/26/2020 7:04:56 AM

"He's going to be your president because some people don't love me"

Seriously, I'm really hard pressed to see Trump's heart being in this. I don't think being President is very 'fun' anymore for him

6/26/2020 7:13:13 AM

Do we think we'll see him resign before he can lose an election?

Talk about an October surprise.

6/26/2020 8:46:21 AM

In Clinton/Dole, it was pretty obvious Clinton was going to win, so Republican leaders basically told Senators and Representatives to distance yourself from Dole to survive and started pouring money into downticket races rather than Dole's campaign (https://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/23/us/gop-pushes-congress-strategy-that-shuns-dole.html)

Obviously there are plenty of differences starting with the fact that Dole wasn't the incumbent, but if the RNC realizes in September that Trump isn't going to win, they might make the Senate the priority, especially with talks of removing the filibuster. If Trump feels betrayed, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility he just quits "I'm only losing because the RNC leadership is a bunch of RINOs, so fuck them, I'm taking my ball and going home"

6/26/2020 9:16:16 AM

So then option 1 for A Tanzanarian's list of how the administration ends?


[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 10:18 AM. Reason : .]

6/26/2020 10:17:43 AM

^^^ mooch had been saying he would resign. I don’t think it’s likely but far more possible than with any other president

6/26/2020 10:46:32 AM

Just thought of this crazy scenario... trump says he's going to resign, democrats stay home, trump wins the vote-- who is president?

6/26/2020 12:43:32 PM

Trump. How is that even a question?

6/26/2020 12:47:51 PM

Actually got me thinking, if Trump followed through on resigning AFTER the election, I don't think Pence would automatically be president in January. The republican party would essentially have to nominate someone else to take Trump's place, could easily be the VP but no rule says so. I'm 99% sure this is true for a new president, less sure with an incumbent. Regardless it wouldn't be Biden.


[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 1:20 PM. Reason : Also I think this has a close to zero chance of happening, if he wins he stays]

6/26/2020 1:07:24 PM

Lol how did 120,000,000 million people die from coronavirus

6/26/2020 1:23:05 PM

What? No.

Ballot access will be secured basically as soon as he gets the nomination. Trump resigning as president from the 2016 elections has zero consequence on the 2020 election. If he resigns after the election, he is still President Elect.

32 States do not allow for faithless electors, so those votes would HAVE to go to Trump. So either Trump becomes President (where he can resign again) or the Electors fails to select a President. If that's the case, the House gets to vote on who becomes President based on their rules.

Pence would still be elected VP by the Senate since they're required to choose from the two people who got the most votes.

6/26/2020 1:24:30 PM

^^ Literally the full quote “Now we have over 120 million dead from COVID, I mean, 120,000 dead from COVID.

6/26/2020 2:03:31 PM

^^use "withdraw" instead of "resign". I'm going by what happens if a pres elect dies. I assume it would be the same as withdrawing after an election.

Apparently both parties have rules that say VP would get it, but that isn't a legal thing it's a party thing.

And this is BEFORE electors vote, if that happened after the vote but before inauguration, the VP would get it by law



[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 2:38 PM. Reason : You can't inaugurate someone against their will... ]

6/26/2020 2:33:46 PM

Quote :

"You can't inaugurate someone against their will..."

Well no, but the inauguration is ceremonial and pointless to BECOMING President, merely executing the powers of the office. The 20th Amendment states that

Quote :

" The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin."

And in Section II

Quote :

"Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States"

So your options are

1. Trump elected by the electors and becomes President and is essentially impeached/removed from office on day 1 for failing to execute the oath of office. Pence becomes VP

2. Enough Faithless Electors defect so the House votes who becomes president from either Trump, Biden, or the Lib Candidate. (They can pick from the top 3 I believe). If Trump, we go back to scenario 1.

3. Enough Faithless Electors defect and the House in unable to decide on the President, in which case Pence becomes VP (because he was still voted in) and becomes ACTING President, again, per the 20th

Quote :

"then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified."

and the House can vote as many times as it wants to pick a President but still must pick between Trump, Biden, and lucky contestant number 3

Pence can only become President if Trump becomes President and is removed by office, at best, he could become Acting President

[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 2:54 PM. Reason : a]

6/26/2020 2:50:53 PM

Once the house vote for president, he is essentially president, if he resigns his VP steps in. It's the same as death.

Bw electors and house is a big question mark

Faithless elector laws are toothless and I can't find if any have a mechanism for death or WITHDRAWAL. Many of the laws claim the vote would be canceled but that may not be constitutional, per the SC.

Parties, however, have rules that say their electors should vote for the VP. If it was cut and dried they wouldn't waste their time. Obviously electors could also ignore those rules too...

Good column
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/16/what-happens-if-us-presidential-candidate-withdraws-or-dies-before-election-is-over-part-1/

[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 3:16 PM. Reason : E]

6/26/2020 3:09:35 PM

Your point seems to be bouncing around quite a lot, what exactly are you trying to say here?

6/26/2020 3:21:58 PM

I didn't have a point I was just curious what would happen. I didn't expect a debate.

If my first post was read as correcting you, that's on me, not my intent

[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 3:43 PM. Reason : E]

6/26/2020 3:38:34 PM

Quote :

"And Warren is the leading choice for VP among less-enthusiastic Biden voters. More details in the full article. 4/4 https://t.co/dYFrMqE3EK https://t.co/PVEkywblYc"

[Edited on July 3, 2020 at 3:21 PM. Reason : E]

7/3/2020 3:20:23 PM

I still don't get the appeal of her as a VP pick. She's 70+, it jeopardizes a Senate seat, and doesn't really add much to the ticket. She'd be a stronger voice in the Senate or a Cabinet position provided her seat could be saved.

7/3/2020 3:36:18 PM

if Biden gets elected and dies in office, you wouldn't rather have Warren become President than any of the other potential VP candidates?

7/3/2020 4:23:36 PM

No, using the list here https://www.electionbettingodds.com/DemVP2020.html

I wouldn't have serious issues with Harris, Duckworth, Lujan Grisham, Warren, or Whitmer as President within the first 2 years of the term

7/3/2020 4:40:22 PM

To be clear, I probably would have preferred Warren win the nomination of that list, but for VP I want someone who can do two terms after Biden

7/3/2020 5:57:26 PM

Just bc it was discussed on this page, SCOTUS says faithless elector laws are constitutional

7/6/2020 1:49:38 PM

I’d bet the Biden doubters with whom Warren makes a more appealing ticket are left leaning doubters (i.e. Bernie fans) rather than right leaning.

I see the left aligning more so than I do the right.

7/6/2020 2:03:56 PM

Tucker Carlson going out of his way to attack Tammy Duckworth makes me think Duckworth is probably in the lead for VP at this point?

I’m guessing I disagree with her in a few political areas, but she is definitely a confirmed badass. The thought of the GOP trying to paint a Purple Heart recipient as “hating America” seems apt to backfire pretty spectacularly as well.

7/7/2020 8:54:35 AM

John Kerry

7/7/2020 9:06:41 AM

^Dont get me wrong it could happen again, but I think there is a significant difference between 2004 and 2020.

Bush still had a country that supported the Iraq war by strong margins and the Nightly news was basically a continuous “USA, USA” chant.

Donald Trump is implicated in ignoring a foreign government paying bounties for dead American soldiers.

Perhaps I’m being too optimistic that most of the electorate can see through this bullshit.

7/7/2020 12:32:30 PM

Also, not to make light of Kerry's experience, but Duckworth's experience is way better documented and her injuries extremely visible. It's one thing to say a veteran with no visible injuries didn't deserve a Purple Heart, but someone who had both leg amputated when she was shotdown it becomes a lot harder.

7/7/2020 12:40:37 PM

John McCain

7/7/2020 1:03:34 PM

This just in, Carlson is a hack! Breaking news!!

However... any one who says this is indeed an unserious person. Regardless of their esteemed military service.

Quote :

"We should listen to the argument for removing George Washington statues," said @SenDuckworth "

7/7/2020 2:09:05 PM

what’s wrong with listening to an argument?

7/7/2020 2:23:43 PM

There is no argument.

7/7/2020 2:31:09 PM

Great debate tactic, just say the other side doesn't exist!

7/7/2020 2:37:55 PM

I am not arguing that the other side doesn't exist. Clearly they do. But they do not have a rational argument to make. Same reason we don't argue with flat-earthers.

7/7/2020 2:42:15 PM

Wasn't an argument made on this very same message board?

7/7/2020 3:36:39 PM

Quote :

"After further pressing by CNN’s Bash, Duckworth said she thinks we should have a national dialogue over the historical monuments at some point and “listen to everybody.” “I think we should listen to the argument there, but remember that the president at Mount Rushmore was standing on ground that was stolen from Native Americans who had actually been given that land during a treaty,” she said."

https://twitter.com/i/status/1279781474791829509

My God, she said she wants to listen to everyone's point of view on the issue. THE HORROR

[Edited on July 7, 2020 at 3:50 PM. Reason : a]

7/7/2020 3:48:54 PM

Quote :

" But they do not have a rational argument to make. Same reason we don't argue with flat-earthers."

equating a conversation about celebrating men who owned slaves with people who believe that the earth is flat is quite the statement

7/7/2020 4:45:51 PM

That's the kind of thing someone would say when they don't have a rational argument to make.

7/7/2020 5:10:12 PM

An unserious person you mean?

7/7/2020 5:19:25 PM

By Jove, I believe you're correct!

7/7/2020 6:21:19 PM

George Washington was a genocidal piece of shit who should not be on anything.

Quote :

" In North America, during the war against the French, the Iroquois tribes sided with England and were rewarded with a status that allowed them to have land and commercial rights as well as protection against the expansion of colonists. When the war of independence broke out, the settled Iroquois tribes of the State of New York supported the English soldiers and participated in the actions against the rebel colonists. On June 4, 1779, the General of the Revolutionary Army, George Washington, violated the treaty and ordered the invasion of the territory of the Iroquois confederation. He insisted in killing as many Indians as possible without taking into account age or sex. The survivors were to be given as agricultural slaves to the colonists who deserved them “Destroying not only the men but the settlements and the plantations is very important. All sown fields must be destroyed and new plantations and harvests must be prevented. What lead can not do will be done by hunger and winter.” From June to December, 40 Indian settlements were massacred and thousands of their plantations were devastated."

7/7/2020 8:23:47 PM

Quote :

" equating a conversation about celebrating men who owned slaves with people who believe that the earth is flat is quite the statement "

If you do not understand the difference between honoring someone in spite of their flaws versus honoring someone due to their flaws, then you do not have an argument and are indeed an unserious person just trying to score some political victory.

And if this is the platform Biden is going to run on, then congratulations, they just guaranteed a second Trump term.

7/7/2020 11:08:32 PM

Your strawman is no good here, but also you're fooling yourself if you think Americans have gone even a short way down the road of accounting for the SEVERE flaws of the founding fathers.

7/7/2020 11:34:53 PM

Quote :

" And if this is the platform Biden is going to run on, then congratulations, they just guaranteed a second Trump term."

Lol please. With your 37% base that isn’t much more than the racists or non-maskwearers anyways.

7/8/2020 1:41:41 AM

Quote :

"Eye-popping number in Monmouth poll: Just 18% of voters think “defund the police” means “get rid of police,” while 77% say it means “change the way police operate.” Trump rn is running ads portraying “Biden’s America” as one w/o police. https://t.co/4aIBWFB8TF"

7/8/2020 1:06:42 PM

Whew boy they're trying though

7/8/2020 1:25:13 PM