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"So if Cummings didn't understand it, Boz clearly didn't understand any of it and the chick didn't question anyone in relation to computers (at least I don't think). Paints a picture that none of them knew what was going on with computer forensics but that was the key "evidence" they came up with at the end. Boz couldn't figure out the difference between securing a wireless router and securing a facebook account."

I think Boz understood it. I think he's just that unethical and conniving.

[Edited on May 5, 2011 at 8:49 PM. Reason : 137]

5/5/2011 8:49:02 PM

137

5/5/2011 8:49:06 PM

All the computer evidence will be released soon enough... hold the line.

5/5/2011 8:49:48 PM

^Just post a link to your report.

5/5/2011 8:51:37 PM

Not that I'm defending that shit for brains boz. But it's not that he didn't understand the difference between "securing" Facebook account versus network security. He was trying to make the jurors think there was no difference. He was pretty good at being a dumbass and getting the jury to believe it.

5/5/2011 8:51:59 PM

^^ it'll be MUCH more than the report, but that's a good idea.

5/5/2011 8:55:58 PM

Who's releasing the evidence and does it hurt or help the appeal.

5/5/2011 8:57:23 PM

Wonder how much of the cell phone and computer testimony the jurors ever understood or considered in the verdict. Should be some way to check so people can't just smile and nod there way through something like this where the technical testimony is so critical.

5/5/2011 8:58:08 PM

I'm willing to bet it came down to "well he did google the dump site the day before she went missing"

5/5/2011 9:00:44 PM

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"Who's releasing the evidence and does it hurt or help the appeal."

Most likely... me.

Before releasing it, I will confirm if it will hurt. If not, bombs away.

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"I think Boz understood it. I think he's just that unethical and conniving."

I don't dispute that he's unethical and conniving, but I suspect he understands it as much as someone working @ the Geek Squad.

[Edited on May 5, 2011 at 9:44 PM. Reason : Boz the Schnozz]

5/5/2011 9:43:37 PM

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"I'm willing to bet it came down to "well he did google the dump site the day before she went missing""

Unfortunately, you're probably right.

5/5/2011 9:49:06 PM

Benjamin Zellinger aka BOZ---is a cock boy

5/5/2011 10:09:26 PM

From someone who works at the Cary PD (with my response):

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"**** ******** Bin Laden = Dead, Brad Cooper = Guilty. Justice is on a roll this week. about an hour ago · Like · 5 people like this. Samwise: Too bad they had an extreme lack of evidence against Brad Cooper. Doesn't really sound like justice to me. 5 minutes ago · Like Samwise: And should you really be posting something like this as a police officer for that department?"

5/5/2011 10:21:26 PM

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"And should you really be posting something like this as a police officer for that department?""

That was my first reaction as well....seems extremely inappropriate to me.

5/5/2011 10:29:25 PM

And he works for a corrupt as hell department. Don't let him get ahold of your blackberry.

5/5/2011 10:30:14 PM

Well he's a giant dbag to begin with.... Makes sense that Cary PD hired him.

5/5/2011 10:32:25 PM

That doesn't really seem that inappropriate to me. He just said justice was served, which from his standpoint, is probably true.

That doesn't make him any less of a meathead dumbass though, but I wouldn't call his statements particularly inappropriate.

5/5/2011 10:32:37 PM

It just seems like a good idea to not mention stuff like that if you work for a police dept.

5/5/2011 10:37:14 PM

I still don't see how they found him guilty. If BC suicides, his blood is on their hands.

5/5/2011 10:41:02 PM

^^Stuff like what? He didn't do anything other than state the verdict and say justice was served. I get that most anyone with half a brain that was paying attention to the trial wouldn't agree with his point of view, but it's not like he said anything inappropriate or told any "inside info"

Maybe I'm just used to it because I have so many cops on my friends list, but I really don't see the big deal here.

5/5/2011 10:42:51 PM

Because he's a dumbfuck if he equates this to justice. Particularly in the same sentence as OBL. That's inappropriate.

[Edited on May 5, 2011 at 10:47 PM. Reason : ]

5/5/2011 10:46:17 PM

^^Partly what ^ said...and it just seems like him saying justice was served for Brad Cooper is him saying he thinks/believes that BC is guilty (which is totally fine to have that opinion) and it seems like, to me, that a guy working for the police dept that arrested BC shouldn't tweet/facebook about the verdict. Just as an attempt to seem impartial. It's fine for him to have that opinion...I don't care one way or the other if he thinks BC is guilty or not, but I just don't think he should tweet/facebook about it. But I can see the other side of the argument as well...

5/5/2011 10:56:36 PM

FROOPER!

5/5/2011 11:01:38 PM

After a few beers and some ribs I'm still pissed Bout the verdict. Well almost midnight, off to bed, going jogging early in the AM or was I suppose to paint???

5/5/2011 11:13:49 PM

He killed her. They just couldn't prove it. He's the white OJ without Johnny Cochran.

5/5/2011 11:15:41 PM

^^^^Like I said, I have lots of cops on my facebook feed so I long ago gave up the notion that cops were impartial about anything. If voicing an opinion about the guilt of someone your co-workers arrested is shocking to you, it's probably a good thing you don't have the same friends as I do. Most of them are smart enough to not talk about case specifics or actually put people's names in their updates, but I've seen plenty of stuff that isn't even close to impartial.

But then again as long as they're not the arresting officer or one of the actual detectives that had anything to do with the case, I'm not sure why they'd have to be impartial at all. It's not like it's against the rules to have an opinion about things on facebook.

5/5/2011 11:15:52 PM

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"But then again as long as they're not the arresting officer or one of the actual detectives that had anything to do with the case, I'm not sure why they'd have to be impartial at all. It's not like it's against the rules to have an opinion about things on facebook."

It's hard to disagree with this.

And "extremely inappropriate" was definitely an overstatement. I do think it's a inappropriate, but as you said...if he's not the arresting officer or something of that nature, it doesn't really matter.

5/5/2011 11:21:10 PM

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"I think this is a good example to explain the mindset of people who plead guilty to crimes they didn't do in exchange for a plea deal. I got charged with arson when I was 15 and I didn't do it.... but I was so scared of the trial that I plead guilty to property damage by burning. Did I burn anything? nope. Did I think the state could convict 12 strangers that I did? yep."

Yep, one of my Marines is probably about to plea to some bullshit at a court-martial.

I don't know that I blame him...if he fights and loses, it could be a year in the brig and kicked out with a Bad Conduct discharge...a plea could keep away all jail time and basically just end with him getting kicked out of the USMC with an Other Than Honorable discharge. The bad part is how it's going to court-martial to begin with, and how all the JAGs agree that he probably can't beat it.

Unfortunately, in court, it's not about justice--it's about winning.

5/5/2011 11:22:07 PM

one of the questions still in my mind is about the affair with John Pearson. he testified that he and Nancy had sex on her couch, once, and they both agreed to never tell anyone.

so, one can understand why he didn't offer that bit of info to police, he had no reason to believe that he would ever be called out on it.

how did that info come out? the only thing that makes sense is that nancy cooper would have told someone. but who?

5/5/2011 11:31:42 PM

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" Before releasing it, I will confirm if it will hurt. If not, bombs away."

This particularly troubles me Dr havoc.... I'd like to say don't take this personal, but I fear that these comments may be... just take it at face value, please...

This is the mentality that turned this trial into a shit show. If evidence hurts brad cooper, so be it. That's the point of evidence. Anything to date has been less than convincing, IMO, but its obvious that the cpd and prosecution had no interest in being thorough. Ignorance and omissions got brad convicted.

Granted, I believe he deserves another trial. I wouldn't want to hurt those chances, unless something damning is found. If that's the case, justice was served imoroperly, but eventually was correct. If something isn't damning but blocks his chance at a fair trial... man I'm really troubled. I'd wsnt him to get the trial, but after, I would want to see the evidence released in the interests of justice.

I hope that all makes sense, I got dinged in the head pretty badly during my hockey game tonight and I think im concussed. Forgive any misspelling and the like.

5/6/2011 12:22:51 AM

No offense taken at all puck_it.

If it would endanger his opportunity at a fair trial, I wouldn't release it. I want justice also, but more than that, a FAIR trial where all evidence is heard.

5/6/2011 12:44:05 AM

its a fucking word Armageddon ITT

[Edited on May 6, 2011 at 12:45 AM. Reason : ]

5/6/2011 12:44:51 AM

I don't mean to insinuate this had anything to do with the colored women in the jury.

But it probably was entirely the colored women in the jury.

5/6/2011 12:54:31 AM

I think I'm going to bed angry about this. Mostly at the judge and jury. Sure, Cummings and Boz are douches in the 1st degree, but Gessner and the jury take the cake.

Gessner for suppressing/overruling 1/2 of the defenses case and the majority of the jury for obviously having made up their mind as soon as - if not before - the prosecution rested.

I started off being fairly sure Brad did this, but now I'm more sure that he didn't. A piss poor case of a quiet introvert being pinned as a stone-cold killer because he didn't run to all his pals expounding on every one of his imaginary problems...

5/6/2011 1:01:33 AM

drhavoc

perhaps you could get another member of the legion of l33t to post it. I wish I was able to get to the phone last night, I'm all sorts of curious IF and HOW they burned him.

i know when i saw it on TV, that google stuff seemed too out of place to be perfect, if that makes sense. what surely makes sense is that the google stuff was literally the ONLY thing they presented that even made me do a double take

5/6/2011 1:16:01 AM

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"I started off being fairly sure Brad did this"

may i ask why???

so many people have been saying what you said, or something really close.... that they were sure at first that he did it, or that he probably did it, but wake county didn't prove it, etc etc

i've mentioned to someone that i think it's because television and movies always say the husband did it, and the news hasn't done a terrible job of putting that "factoid" into millions of heads.

while i'm complaining just to complain, what's up with WRAL's bias on "domestic" cases? the headline today says:

"Brad Cooper guilty in wife's 2008 slaying"

they make it a point to let us know that he fucking SLAYED her. ha ha ha. i know it loosely means to kill or murder - but i thought it was more of a level modifier -- slayed was one of those words we reserve for particularly painful, sadistic, bloody deaths.

she probably looked pretty "heinous crimed" with all those maggots in her face, but choking a skinny bitch to death gets NO SLAY POINTS in my book.

k

5/6/2011 1:24:12 AM

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"A piss poor case of a quiet introvert being pinned as a stone-cold killer because he didn't run to all his pals expounding on every one of his imaginary problems..."

this.

5/6/2011 1:25:01 AM

Honestly, my reasoning was mainly based on the statistics regarding these things...which is a ridicuously high rate to begin with. All the more reason to the jury for ever falling for the State's piss poor prosecution

5/6/2011 1:26:14 AM

this thing about the west memphis three is on... its kinda fitting

5/6/2011 1:42:54 AM

i was surprised there weren't like 6 different semen samples collected from her.... like that sexy sexy duke lacrosse stripper.

speaking of which, some of you may have missed the great news: but that needs it's own thread too

5/6/2011 3:50:13 AM

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[Edited on May 6, 2011 at 6:56 AM. Reason : fail]

5/6/2011 6:55:33 AM

mostly women jurors. that means throw out all logic and rely on emotional response.

5/6/2011 8:00:50 AM

Was just thinking about something, hopefully I'm not just rehashing something already mentioned.

Would it have been worthwhile for the Defense to contact Google and possibly get one of their experts to comment on the historical files that were found of the map? It would seem like a technical resource from Google could say pretty definitively whether something was tampered with, and I don't think it would be hard to prove that said person is an expert in their field.

5/6/2011 8:35:10 AM

Just watched the WRAL special report on this case. Freaking pissed me off. They said the defense didn't object to the hearsay evidence. Were they not watching this case at all? The defense freaking objected to the hearsay constantly. CONSTANTLY.

^Google only keeps stuff for 9 months before the identifying information is scrubbed. The defense asked for the computers, warning them of the privacy policy, and were granted the computers 9 months and 2 weeks after the alleged search.

[Edited on May 6, 2011 at 8:51 AM. Reason : ]

5/6/2011 8:49:55 AM

^^ That costs money, which the defense doesn't have.

Plus, I doubt Google wants to be in the business of testifying at the trial of every defendant that happened to use Google Maps.

The right answer would be for the judge to allow the defendant's experts to testify, instead of caving to the prosecution's dubious claims of 'not enough time'.

[Edited on May 6, 2011 at 8:53 AM. Reason : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^]

5/6/2011 8:53:09 AM

Plus. The defense may not want google to testify. If in fact he did google the location. It's easier to get some local l33t haxor to blah blah timestamps blah blah it COULDVE been planted.

5/6/2011 9:10:37 AM

from the confessions thread

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""I'm closely connected to the BC murder trial, from the prosecution side. I can honestly say the following: 1. The reason why the prosecution took so long with its case was to wear down the jury so that they would be too exhausted to really pay attention. 2. A portion of the prosecution does not think he did it but were directed to win this case at all cost in order to save face for the police department. 3. The google maps defense didn't stand a chance. The prosecution understood that, in today's climate, jurors, especially black jurors, are likely to believe in setups by the police department. This counter-evidence didn't have a chance of getting admitted. 4. In jury selection the defense had a lot of people they liked but the prosecution asked questions about if they could participate in a "extensively lengthy trial" and this forced those that the defense liked to step down. Had the defense not excused the ones they did the jury would have had 0 men and would have been a mixture of poor black women and very wealthy white women. ""

5/6/2011 9:11:33 AM

So I sat with a lawyer from Raleigh at the Bulls game last night. He's actually personal friends with Gessner. We were talking about the trial, and it was nice to FINALLY talk to someone that was appalled at what happened yesterday.

He said Gessner kept telling him the state was going to produce some good evidence over and over....but it never happened. He is also fairly certain (as we all are) that BC will get his appeal and that's where he'll get his justice.

He also agreed that BOZ is a huge dick.

5/6/2011 9:12:30 AM

Well i guess it's time to find other cases to fill in the gap before we get to go through the retrial

maybe this http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/05/05/florida.anthony.trial/index.html

are another miscarriage of justice the Amanda Knox Case http://abcnews.go.com/International/key-witness-amanda-knox-trial-stumbles/story?id=13227541

[Edited on May 6, 2011 at 9:40 AM. Reason : s]

[Edited on May 6, 2011 at 9:47 AM. Reason : s]

5/6/2011 9:40:00 AM

cody and i watched this episode yesterday and found it pretty relevant:

5/6/2011 9:56:14 AM