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"I dont know man.... its hard to say it is not productive when the movement has gained national attention, started a national conversation, very well may be addressed in the 2016 elections, and has already caught the attention of the DOJ -- directly impacting police department policy in places like Ferguson, MO."

There isn't anything productive about a hashtag that accuses society of not caring about black lives, especially when it is only used to defend black lives when white cops pull the trigger, especially when it is primarily used to defend criminals in the wrong. It isn't productive or effective, it's just loud and divisive. It is furthering a false narrative of "us vs them".

The national conversation has consisted of people pointlessly arguing about "All Lives" vs "Black Lives" which is absolutely ludicrous because nobody disagrees with "Black Lives matter" or "All lives matter".

Funny that nobody disagrees that racial profiling and brutality by cops needs to be stopped, yet people are arguing over nothing. Even Bernie Sanders (prob the best candidate to fix those issues) gets derailed at his rallies... but that's because George Soros is funding BLM protests and is backing Hilary Clinton.

9/16/2015 3:23:06 PM

so then why has it been effective

9/16/2015 3:24:02 PM

It most certainly has been effective in bringing attention to police brutality. To deny that is ignorant.

9/16/2015 3:54:09 PM

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"It most certainly has been effective in bringing attention to police brutality. To deny that is ignorant."

Videos of police brutality are what causes the outrage and reactions, not a hashtag that adds a divisive layer of race to what is primarily a societal issue like police brutality.

9/16/2015 4:01:15 PM

holy shit you're stubborn/ignorant. we're not talking about the "hashtag" like you keep repeating. yes, the "movement" has been more effective in bringing attention to police brutality, in addition to the videos.

9/16/2015 4:05:53 PM

the videos are the catalyst that mobilize and activates people, people cause change. a video by itself is powerless, it has to be shared by people and used by people as a call to action for other people

some of these people in this situation are the black lives matter group

this concept really isn't confusing

9/16/2015 4:14:47 PM

JCE2011 doesn't see race

people tell him he's white and he believes them because he posts racist things on a message board

[Edited on September 16, 2015 at 4:59 PM. Reason : .]

9/16/2015 4:52:11 PM

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"the videos are the catalyst that mobilize and activates people, people cause change. a video by itself is powerless, it has to be shared by people and used by people as a call to action for other people some of these people in this situation are the black lives matter group this concept really isn't confusing "

The problem is the #BLM presents this as "police don't like black people" or "police are racist" as the issue instead protesting in a way to resonate with the general public such as "let's stop police brutality" or "all lives matter"

9/16/2015 6:41:47 PM

Can't it be both?

Police most certainly are racist, even if they were about the same as any other sample group in terms of how racist they are or aren't it's undeniable that there is significant systemic racism in place in terms of how they patrol predominantly black neighborhoods, whether they choose to arrest someone or not, whether DAs choose to charge or not, etc.

The "all lives matter" thing is just silly, I guess maybe the optics could be better, but that seems to be the only criticism you can really level at the movement. In much the same way that saying "Save the Whales" is not the same as saying "Fuck all other Aquatic Life" the message of "Black Lives Matter" is that currently it seems as those society wide and specifically within the criminal justice and law enforcement world black lives do not matter.

9/16/2015 7:38:29 PM

Dude in the Freddy Gray situation, half of the cops were black!

9/16/2015 8:06:15 PM

And? Do I really need to explain the difference between mountains of historical data and one high profile incident where some black cops also may have helped kill a guy?

I mean, I'm sure there's some guys out there with great numbers against Clayton Kershaw but it doesn't mean he's not a dominant pitcher.

9/16/2015 8:28:31 PM

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"Police most certainly are racist,"

This is absolutely not the case. This is the kind of flawed "fuck the police, us vs them" victim narrative that results from the media sensationalizing a few thugs getting killed.

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"how they patrol predominantly black neighborhoods"

Perhaps this is because that is where the majority of crime occurs?

As I have already stated in other threads, this isn't because melanin in your skin makes you more likely to be a criminal, but because historic racism caused a wealth disparity, and wealth, or lack thereof, is in direct correlation with an individual's propensity to commit crime.

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" the message of "Black Lives Matter" is that currently it seems as those society wide and specifically within the criminal justice and law enforcement world black lives do not matter."

Based on what? A sensationalized narrative driven by the media that feeds on racial division and outrage? A few cases where white cops kill black criminals... is that representative of Black Lives? Maybe we should change it to "Black Criminal lives matter, only when a white cop kills them" because that is the ONLY time that hashtag is used.

9/16/2015 10:49:34 PM

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"ause historic racism caused a wealth disparity, and wealth, or lack thereof, is in direct correlation with an individual's propensity to commit crime."

Honestly I'm starting to wonder about that....
Portland has an out of control homeless problem aka extreme poverty, YET our violent crime rate is very low. I walk by homeless daily and don't fear them mugging or randomly jumping me. I really think it may be more "thug culture" then purely just a poverty issue.....

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"Black Criminal lives matter, only when a white cop kills them" because that is the ONLY time that hashtag is us"

Good call!!!! Apparently Arab, Indian, Mexican, Asian, native American lives don't matter as much.

[Edited on September 17, 2015 at 12:48 AM. Reason : J]

9/17/2015 12:45:27 AM

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"This is absolutely not the case. This is the kind of flawed "fuck the police, us vs them" victim narrative that results from the media sensationalizing a few thugs getting killed."

have you read anything posted in this thread?

hell, there was an article posted on the last page that included an exact number of states that have police departments under investigation for racism. there have even been emails that have surfaced that show multiple officers from multiple departments openly using racist epithets, and that's just the blatant racism. plenty of more subtle versions of racism, too.

9/17/2015 2:34:41 PM

You are taking a tiny percentage and acting as if it is representative to further this false narrative of racist white cops murdering black victims.

9/17/2015 4:59:01 PM

That's not a "false narrative" but rather the most likely conclusion given the available data.

9/17/2015 5:49:30 PM

So, if we're getting to the point where everyone is acknowledging racism in the police, then we should supposedly take steps to fix it. For that, we need to know why some of them have these attitudes. Why do they use racial epithets? Why are they more likely to shoot black people? Does it come before their decision to enter the police force or after? Are they stupid and/or less thoughtful than the average person?

Like, we can all recognize that African Americans are unfairly targeted, I hope.

But what should we do about changing the police? What are the fundamental issues that influence them to behave the way they do?

9/17/2015 8:49:47 PM

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"we're getting to the point where everyone is acknowledging racism in the police"

Who is everyone? I still maintain that "racist" police are still a small subset and the issue with the shootings has more to do with other variables then mean racist white po-po's that don't like black people. Even if every single white cop was at least slightly racist, I would still hedge that the decision to shoot killing an African American suspect was not based on desire to cap some black people. Prejudice thoughts on a group of people doesn't necessarily
equate to wanting to kill said people.

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"Why do they use racial epithets?"

please... African Americans have plenty of racial epithets for white people

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"Why are they more likely to shoot black people?"

That's the money question. Honestly I think in a majority of the questionable killings by police, the officer did perceive a sense of danger and risk to their own life or someone in public if the suspect escaped. This is lieu of the narrative the media tries to spread that cops just want to shoot black people because they are RACIST PIGS! If anything the slaying says more of poor training or decision making on the officers part instead of "he shot Michael Brown because he's RACIST!"

In reality I think the threshold for a cop, even if mistakenly, deciding to use lethal force on a suspect could be lower than for a suspect of another race because...
- The relationship between cops and the African American community tends to be sour (granted this traces its roots back to historical oppression and the modern day "war on drugs").
- From an individual viewpoint, I'd bet a police officer patrolling economically deprived neighborhoods have had more dangerous/violent confrontations when dealing with African American suspects. This has nothing to do with skin color but socio-economic conditions that have led black youths into gang/thug culture.

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" Are they stupid and/or less thoughtful than the average person"

I think plenty of them are. I'm no advocate of the police in any way. I just don't think most go around with a desire to harrass black
people in modern 2015.

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"we can all recognize that African Americans are unfairly targeted"

I don't think this is true either. Like has been mentioned before due to the rate of more serious crimes in economically deprived areas (which
unproportionally are populated by African Americans in many places) police patrol these neighborhoods at a higher rate than some suburban area.
If they see something no matter how petty, it is their job to make a stop (i.e. a car with a broken headlight which after pulling the car over they realize the car reeks of marijuana thus leading to a drug charge.)

I'd agree with anyone in this thread that wrongful shootings of African Americans by police is a symptom of other issues in our society and/or carryover from historical (not modern) mistreatment of African Americans within our country.

9/18/2015 12:33:12 PM

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"I just don't think most go around with a desire to harrass black people in modern 2015."

I agree, dummy.

So I'm asking why it still ends up happening and if it's something we can hope to change.

9/18/2015 3:01:04 PM

Learn at depth about the various 'non-lethal' weapons at the disposal of US police

http://m.mic.com/articles/125777/the-physical-effects-of-police-brutality-pepper-spray-tasers-and-tear-gas

9/24/2015 10:05:32 PM

Great TASER video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=576HwhU6PMM

9/24/2015 10:19:54 PM

^that's pretty cool

9/24/2015 10:33:00 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/us/delaware-police-shoot-man-wheelchair/index.html

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"Delaware police shoot man in wheelchair Police officers, their guns raised, approach the man in the wheelchair and yell out loudly and repeatedly: "Drop the gun" and "hands up. ..... n the footage, a witness can be heard saying "put your hands up" and "he's reaching again." But it's not obvious what exactly the handicapped man was doing with his hands just before the shots rang out."

Obviously these cops are racist pigs that hate black people until proven otherwise. They should have waited until the very last second as he was aiming and about to pull the trigger so that they would be 100% sure he had a gun!

AM I RITE

9/25/2015 1:19:33 PM

Give it a rest dude.

9/25/2015 1:28:58 PM

This is great

https://news.vice.com/topic/officer-involved

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"OFFICER INVOLVED The VICE News blog covering policing in America."

All the shootings and follow-up news, in one place.

9/26/2015 12:40:05 AM

Unarmed teen shot

https://news.vice.com/article/footage-shows-encounter-that-led-baltimore-county-cop-to-shoot-unarmed-teen

9/26/2015 4:48:45 PM

shiieeeettt. I hate cops as much as the next guy but what exactly is the cop supposed to do in that ^ video?

9/26/2015 5:09:03 PM

^ yeah not blaming the cop there from what i can see... just lamenting the fact that another person got shot by the police.

9/26/2015 6:36:22 PM

What to think of this

https://news.vice.com/article/family-to-sue-cop-that-shot-dead-michigan-teen-who-flashed-headlights-at-patrol-car

Was the teen acting like an ass? Was the cop acting like an ass? If yes to both, who was more wrong?

In the end, a 17 year old is dead unnecessarily.

10/17/2015 2:53:06 AM

I mean, acting like an ass isn't a crime by itself, certainly not one punishable for death.

10/17/2015 8:39:41 AM

I thought cops only needlessly shot unarmed black people

#AllLivesMatter!

10/17/2015 4:00:19 PM

My favorite part so far is that the cop says he was afraid that the kid was calling militia members or sovereign citizens for "backup"

Kid was being a dick, however this appears not to have been a legal stop anyway, and the kid was actually pretty compliant until the cop unnecessarily tased him. Hard to see what happened after that, but this seems like it may end up being a "Good shoot " following a bad stop.

10/17/2015 4:08:12 PM

I really, really hate to MMQB, but here it goes.

First, just wait till your back up gets there. If you need them faster, let the know. I had a very similar situation a few months ago where the driver refused to give me his license and registration. I explained him that operating a vehicle in this state is a privilege and not a right and that by operating a vehcile here you are compelled by law to produce those documents. I even bargained with him and said if he just gave me his name and date of birth, I would turn a blind eye to his transgressions. He informed me that he was invoking his exercising his right to remain silent and that was that. I called for a couple more units, devised a plan and got him out of the car without injury to anyone. It's my belief that he realized his was outnumbered so resistance was futile.

Second, if you put hands on someone, finish the job. That officer went into the car struggled with the driver and then retreated. There is a time and place to disengage, but once you go hands on someone resists, change their mind. This reminded me a little bit of the Deputy Dinkheller murder. It that incident the deputy went up to the driver and struck him a couple times with a baton before retreating back towards his car. The suspect then went to his truck and loaded a rifle and killed the deputy. In jailhouse interviews, the suspect stated that he knew the deputy wasn't assertive/aggressive enough and not going to hurt him.

But what the fuck do I know?

10/17/2015 6:44:18 PM

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"I thought cops only needlessly shot unarmed black people"

Last warning, give that shit a rest.

10/18/2015 12:25:13 AM

lol last warning

how many of those has earl gotten

10/18/2015 12:37:44 AM

ya, that was a great post by restricted but i'm very curious the penalties for going against that "last warning"

10/18/2015 10:06:31 PM

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" My favorite part so far is that the cop says he was afraid that the kid was calling militia members or sovereign citizens for "backup""

I read an article that said a recent police bulletin warned about this very thing, so I'm sure this was a real threat for the cop.

10/19/2015 6:33:19 AM

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/

Raw numbers
More whites killed than blacks

Numbers relative to population
More blacks killed than whites

Numbers relative to racial crime rates
More whites killed than blacks

10/24/2015 9:46:51 PM

too bad cops didnt shoot unarmed drunk driver at OSU game that killed 3 people...

10/24/2015 10:43:54 PM

4 people now, including a 2 year old

10/24/2015 11:02:25 PM

#RiseUpOctober to protest criminals being arrested for breaking the law.

#Victims #Divisive #FalseNarrative

[Edited on October 25, 2015 at 3:59 AM. Reason : .]

10/25/2015 3:57:11 AM

CMT vs BET party near NCSU causes a stir on campus.

http://www.wral.com/theme-party-causes-controversy-at-nc-state/15023476/

10/26/2015 8:58:53 PM

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"interim vice provost for institutional equity and diversity"

10/26/2015 10:10:55 PM

^^ That could probably be in the "perpetual pussificaiton thread".

I got a giggle btw this morning when I saw a "Having Enough Police Matters" billboard on the way into work today.

This billboard is obviously #Racist #Insensitive #BlackPeopleHating am I rite synapse

10/27/2015 1:40:17 PM

If you wanna see a lot of blatant racism, read the comments here:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/27/fbi-reportedly-alerts-police-departments-about-group-possibly-planning/?intcmp=hplnws

10/27/2015 4:05:23 PM

I feel dumber for having read those comments. I should've known better.

10/27/2015 4:49:46 PM

From the Fox News article ^^

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"Listen Patriots and Conservatives. Obama has made a very stupid tactical move by throwing our law enforcement officers and soldiers under the bus by his rhetoric and policies. Now is the time for us to build bridges with these good men and women, particularly our elected sheriffs, the national guard, etc. I would guess that the rank and file of these good men and women honor freedom, tend to be more conservative, and understand the core purpose of the 2nd Amendment. "

How exactly is this Obama's fault and how would McPalin have handled Ferguson/Baltimore if elected in 2008?

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"his is what happens when you put a unqualified man in the White House, were are his college records , do something GOP, the said part is the GOP attacks trump for speaking the truth"

Kinda ironic that this lad claims Obama is unqualified when Trump has 0 political experience....

Eitherway

#AllLivesMatter

[Edited on October 27, 2015 at 6:30 PM. Reason : a]

10/27/2015 6:26:15 PM

Any of these mockeries of black lives matter are racist. The problem is partially due to the poor name of the movement. The movement really should be #blacklivesSHOULDmatterasmuchaswhitelives because that is what it means. If you deny the premise that black lives don't matter as much as white lives, you are denying american history.

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"#AllLivesMatter"

I understand that many people do not believe this to be racist, but it is. All racism is due to ignorance and just because you don't intend something to be racist, or don't know its racist, doesn't make it ok. If you unintentionally spread racism, it is more because you are racially insensitive instead of racism. "Colorblindness" is a form of/contributor to racism.

10/27/2015 6:53:07 PM

Hey, sometimes you just have to shoot a kid.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/no-state-charges-s-officer-fatally-shot-teen-article-1.2413056

SC cop who shot Zachary Hammond will face no charges.

https://youtu.be/_Js2liSrePU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJXS27felcg

10/27/2015 7:10:03 PM

#AllLivesMatter is not racist at all.

The expectation that people pay lip-service to a poorly-worded, divisive, race-baiting hashtag needs to be challenged.

Just because a few thugs get killed by cops doesn't mean society thinks Black Lives don't Matter, no matter what false-victim narrative the liberal media spoon feeds you.

10/27/2015 7:47:23 PM