This 2nd turned out to be something different—a terrorist attack.

I was on the way into the base when it started. Prob 100+ emergency vehicles absolutely screaming into base.

[Edited on December 7, 2019 at 10:48 PM. Reason : The shooter would have been one of my students a few months down the road ]

12/7/2019 10:48:20 PM

Quote :

"This 2nd turned out to be something different—a terrorist attack."

why? because he's brown? they're both terrorism.

12/7/2019 11:31:23 PM

Do you have any indication whatsoever that the Pearl Harbor shooting was an act of terrorism?

12/8/2019 9:29:50 AM

Do we have any evidence of motive in Pensecola?

12/9/2019 7:56:32 AM

The FBI is investigating it that way.

[Edited on December 9, 2019 at 8:16 AM. Reason : ///]

12/9/2019 8:15:57 AM

AFAIK the FBI has only said they start with a presumption that it's terrorism as they do with most active shooter investigations but had not yet identified a motive. i don't think they have identified a motive in the pearl harbor shooting either

12/9/2019 12:53:28 PM

The shooter posted a short manifesto online, I believe to Twitter, where he basically went right down the checklist of grievances and motivations common to radical Islamists, complete with a quote from ObL. There is some other more interpersonal stuff, but of note to me, that didn’t seem to influence where his attack was targeted—he went out of his way to choose a location with more people.

He also hosted a dinner the night before where he and his buddies watched mass shooting videos, and then a couple of his friends (from one report I saw, a couple of the same ones from the night before) filmed the attack.

I don’t really want to go further than that in a public forum. I am very, very closely, umm, adjacent to this investigation. I mean REALLY close. Read the news, though...I was adamant when we first learned it was a Saudi that we shouldn’t jump to the terrorism conclusion—but it’s clear now that’s what it was.

12/9/2019 6:10:35 PM

the news said the twitter account wasn't confirmed to be his

and non terrorism mass shooters probably also like mass shooting vids

12/10/2019 1:36:49 PM

And it's a pretty fine line for what constitutes "terrorism". It's using violence and intimidation, particularly against civilians, for "political" purposes, but it could be argued that most mass shooters are doing it for some reason that could be construed to be "political".

[Edited on December 10, 2019 at 2:10 PM. Reason : sounds like the guy was furious at being called "Porn 'Stache"]

12/10/2019 1:44:25 PM

that probably didn't help...but that was >6 months ago, and it would not have been difficult for him to shoot the guy who called him that. In fact, he went out of his way to shoot up somewhere else.
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I'm defining "terrorism" as primarily ideologically or politically motivated--and basically all indications we have are that's what this was.

(not because he watched mass shooting vids, for exactly the reason you stated).

[Edited on December 10, 2019 at 10:54 PM. Reason : ]

12/10/2019 10:49:20 PM

We have the same amount of information for motive in pearl harbor other than the guy being saudi

12/10/2019 11:00:42 PM

What do we have for PH? I haven’t seen anything.

12/10/2019 11:24:48 PM

Interesting they've grounded all saudis from flight training. I wonder if there's more info there or if it's just xenophobia.

12/11/2019 1:38:11 AM

^^ so the same as pensecola

12/11/2019 7:37:03 AM

12/11/2019 6:01:50 PM

Shooting determined to be terrorism, and motivated by jihadist ideology.

21 Saudis (out of the ~850 training in the US) sent home, with the reasons being anti-American material/internet activity, child porn, and possibly other "un-officerlike qualities." 12 of those were from Pensacola (all of the Saudis here), although apparently none of them were complicit in the attack. 15/21 had child porn found on their computers.

I was scheduled to be in the same room with the shooter that morning in the simulator building. He was supposed to be with one of my co-workers in another simulator.

^^^ the grounded them all until they could investigate and see what was going on, as it seemed very plausible, maybe even likely, based on what we knew early on, that other students were involved or at least aware.

[Edited on January 16, 2020 at 9:47 PM. Reason : ]

1/16/2020 9:44:32 PM

I wonder how many American service members would be arrested for child porn if their computers/phones were searched?

1/16/2020 10:28:15 PM

or just twenty-something men in general? I would like to think very few, but i wouldn't be shocked by a percent or two.

1/16/2020 11:03:35 PM

If they count peoples sexts with their high school girlfriends might be more than a percent or 2...

1/16/2020 11:43:50 PM

why did they just send people home with child porn instead of arresting them? jk, i know why

1/17/2020 9:11:46 AM

I read it “didn’t meet federal thresholds for prosecution.” I read that some were recalled by the Saudis for unofficer-like qualities, not necessarily forced out by us—albeit with assurances that we could recall them for prosecution if further information was discovered.

1/17/2020 11:21:17 AM

Eminem in on the gun control talk.


Goes into the Paddock shooting in his new video.

Still odd to me we haven't heard much about that shooting.

1/18/2020 10:12:06 PM

Another one in texas

4/8/2021 4:59:50 PM

A former NFL player killed 5 people and then himself in SC.

4/8/2021 5:06:40 PM

^^

4/8/2021 5:44:03 PM

SC didn't even get their 15 minutes. Back off, Texas!

4/8/2021 7:36:06 PM

Why the sudden rash of shootings? Seem odd. Are crazies just finally snapping from Covid isolation?

4/8/2021 9:41:26 PM

No, this is america. These things just happen every day

4/8/2021 9:46:04 PM

this is how you know things are getting back to normal

4/8/2021 9:50:06 PM

No mass gatherings means no mass shootings.

4/8/2021 10:08:59 PM

"normal". If you ride motorcycles you know more people dead from than than mass shootings.

4/8/2021 11:14:53 PM

Yeah but people on motorcycles are choosing to die by motorcycle.

4/8/2021 11:16:25 PM

Like drinking. So many die of drunk drivers, let's outlaw that. Dude I graduated with and his whole family got wiped out going to church at 7 am.

Outlaw bourbon and bars.

4/8/2021 11:20:42 PM

But what if you're a perfectly healthy 40 year old? Why shouldn't you be able to drive drunk?

4/8/2021 11:54:35 PM

No I said outlaw bars. People could die.

4/9/2021 12:03:00 AM

Maybe people who aren't drunk driving should just stay home

4/9/2021 12:22:23 AM

Unlikely, some of them are irresponsible and think they drive great drunk. Think of the children.

4/9/2021 12:35:36 AM

Why are the children driving drunk

4/9/2021 12:39:10 AM

My church going high school friend had kids. Kids are dead. Don't know why you hate them.

4/9/2021 12:59:45 AM

Just like i don't know why you hate everyone who legitimately can't get vaccinated for covid.

4/9/2021 1:07:38 AM

In 2019 there were 37000 motor vehicle deaths and 39000 firearm deaths. What do you think the ratio is of "hours in a car" to "hours handling firearms" is. Driving a vehicle is also necessary for adult life almost universally

Finally to close out this useless serious response to a dumb straw man, the implication is that making drunk driving illegal is useless bc people stil die from drunk drivers which is just dumb as hell

4/9/2021 1:29:12 AM

^ half are suicides, the remaining half of the half are gangs. The rest are angry family and boyfriends. Are those relatable to mass shootings?

That's from memory. I'm sure it's off but within an order of magnitude. At best hundreds of people die in mass shootings.

[Edited on April 9, 2021 at 1:33 AM. Reason : A]

4/9/2021 1:32:18 AM

Half of driving deaths are drunk driving. Easily 15K. Ban alcohol or you hate humans. Drinking is not necessary, driving is.

[Edited on April 9, 2021 at 1:36 AM. Reason : A]

4/9/2021 1:34:45 AM

I don't even understand what your dumb point is

Are you saying you think mass shootings should be legal? Or guns should be illegal? It seems like you're trying to make two separate points, one about the frequency of mass shootings and the other about, I don't know, the logic of outlawing guns maybe? but you haven't really made a full argument about either. If you are going to troll at least make an effort to be coherent.

4/9/2021 1:48:03 AM

I'm wasted fuck off. My points are coherent to me.

4/9/2021 1:49:53 AM

Then this should also be coherent to you, because it's intentionally parroting your arguments:

Quote :

"Maybe people who aren't drunk driving should just stay home"

4/9/2021 7:15:01 AM

Yeah I was at home. If we outlawed it maybe we wouldn't have to worry and I could go outside.

4/9/2021 9:32:38 AM

DUI is illegal.

4/9/2021 9:46:35 AM

So is murder.

4/9/2021 9:48:43 AM

We are so far from banning guns. It's a stupid argument. Background checks and closing loopholes is not equivalent to repealing the Second Amendment, Ted Cruz.

4/9/2021 11:22:11 AM