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"You know, I can't help but notice that you still didn't bother to define "mild"..."

You know, he's a troll, and is just posting to get responses like that right?

7/10/2020 12:10:39 PM

Trump's comments on his supposed cognitive test sounds like it came from someone who most definitely failed their cognitive test.

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"Trump tells Hannity that he "very recently" "aced" a cognitive test: "I took it at Walter Reed, a medical center, in front of doctors, and they were very surprised""

7/10/2020 12:14:07 PM

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"and they were very surprised"

...because they thought you had significant cognitive decline?

7/10/2020 12:21:06 PM

Sarah Cooper is the best.

https://twitter.com/sarahcpr/status/1281631729409822722

7/10/2020 1:09:35 PM

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"You know, I can't help but notice that you still didn't bother to define "mild", even when this objection of its omission is explicitly pointed out to you. Are you just incapable of engaging in good faith?"

I was just pointing out that the number had some basis and wasn't some crazy number out of Trump's ass (even if it was colloquial use). If you want to question, the validity of the number or its application, have at it but don't act like the number in Trump's statement was complete fantasy. Its not my responsibility to define "mild condition". I'm not a health professional nor do I make these stats. I just happened to be familiar enough with the numbers to immediately recognize the 99% number.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Once again, you've posted a link to an article that was published 2 days after my post so no I could not have been expected to read that before posting. An interesting thing about that study is it appears to have only included hospitalized patients. What % of total infections do you think these effects are seen in? Is there anything to indicate its much greater than 1% of all infections?

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"Earl made an excuse and tried to play it off as an allegory but his post regarding the 99% of cases are harmless was a direct defense of Trump yet again just like the Easter re-opening. It was just as wrong too."

You are projecting your way of thinking onto me. Try to remember that my claims/criticisms are always based on the points being made and information being conveyed and never based on the person making them. I separate the two. If I defend a point Trump made, I'm defending what I see as a correct point, not defending Trump.

I'm welcome to the idea of being wrong if you can provide data to suggest otherwise. As far as I've seen, the vast majority of cases are not that bad. (what "not that bad" means, I still don't know. I don't have it and have never seen anyone with it)

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"Earl knows that we simply don’t know what the long-term effects of relatively mild cases will be and at best it’s a weak cover for what Trump said and at worst it’s straight lying."

but in science, we don't make conclusions about things we don't know. I know you are capable of understanding this because you found Jill Stein's claim that 'we don't know how wifi affects young children long-term' as a complete dealbreaker. The difference is that you are able to contradict yourself because you are focused on attacking/defending individuals instead of the merit of arguments.

[Edited on July 10, 2020 at 4:14 PM. Reason : 99% of the time, people who have no retort resort to personal attacks]

7/10/2020 4:13:21 PM

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"If you want to question, the validity of the number or its application, have at it but don't act like the number in Trump's statement was complete fantasy."

Actually, it is complete fantasy....provided you understand that words have definitions. Apparently you do not.

LOL

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"(what "not that bad" means, I still don't know."

Then maybe you shouldn't use words that mean something you do not know to be accurate, dumbass.

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"in science, we don't make conclusions about things we don't know"

....and yet they describe those things as "not that bad"??? Get the fuck outta here.

[Edited on July 10, 2020 at 4:33 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on July 10, 2020 at 4:35 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on July 10, 2020 at 4:35 PM. Reason : ]

7/10/2020 4:30:25 PM

"Mild" is "not as bad as" "serious or critical". I already shared the source so at this point you are debating with the source, not me.

You don't have to be an expert to share conclusions from the experts. If the healthcare community tells me someone is in serious or critical condition, I don't have to question it or go get their education in order to verify it before I go on and tell someone else that person is in critical condition.

https://reason.com/2020/04/12/official-covid-19-numbers-represent-just-6-of-total-infections-a-new-analysis-suggests/
The biggest misconception of all is that people think "cases" means total infections. It doesn't. That misconception makes every data point seem a lot worse than what it is actually showing.

[Edited on July 10, 2020 at 4:48 PM. Reason : k]

7/10/2020 4:43:55 PM

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""Mild" is "not as bad as" "serious or critical". I already shared the source so at this point you are debating with the source, not me. "

Unlike you, the source did not confuse "mild" with "totally harmless".

LMFAO

7/10/2020 5:06:12 PM

I said 'mild' all along. I just understand the historical context of Trump's use of hyperbole in speech which is something I mentioned in the first post you quoted.

7/10/2020 5:14:08 PM

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"I said 'mild' all along."

Sure...in reference to a quote predicated on "totally harmless" all along.

LOL

7/10/2020 5:18:47 PM

I mean, I don’t want to waste any more time on this but there was literally just a imgur picture posted with no source. As far as I can tell no source at all was mentioned.

7/10/2020 6:01:59 PM

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

7/10/2020 6:16:50 PM

The "mild versus critical" debate leaves out the more important context regarding the fact that mild cases can turn into critical cases in an incredibly, abnormal short of time. Hence "mild" is not a good barometer of risk.

7/10/2020 6:17:23 PM

Being reported now he’s commuting stones sentence

7/10/2020 7:58:06 PM

Fucking traitor piece of shit. I hope he's indicted less than 60 seconds after Biden takes the oath and has the book thrown at him.

7/10/2020 8:03:21 PM

...and the Friday night massacre rolls on.

7/10/2020 8:10:51 PM

I mean it’s corrupt as fuck. But focus.

In the grand scheme of things it’s a 70+ year old not going to jail. Who cares?

Real people are dying and it’s because of decisions being made by the worst president since Wilson.

7/10/2020 8:54:27 PM

^ because it’s a corruption of democracy. It has a chilling effect on the honest people while emboldening their crooked people. It promotes even more fraud and grifting throughout the government. It opens the door for trumps current campaign to unashamedly cheat because they know the president, the attorney general, and the gop congress will help them avoid repercussions. This is the kind of thing that Historically breaks governments.

7/10/2020 8:57:56 PM

Corruption is commuting the sentence of a guy who lied to protect your affairs or your political bribes.

Treason is commuting the sentence of a guy who helped a foreign, enemy intelligence service steal an election for you.

7/10/2020 10:33:21 PM

Either way, it's bad.

7/10/2020 10:56:44 PM

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"I mean it’s corrupt as fuck. But focus. In the grand scheme of things it’s a 70+ year old not going to jail. Who cares? Real people are dying and it’s because of decisions being made by the worst president since Wilson."

I've been trying to make the same point for 3 years when everyone is freaking out about tweets, phone calls, and press conferences.

7/11/2020 12:51:19 AM

It’s pretty easy to make the case that the Trump administration’s blatant corrupting of the DOJ, if it were to become the new normal, is more dangerous to the long term survival of the country than COVID. I know the history of the DOJ is hardly sterling, but democracy won’t survive long if a president is able to selectively prosecute his enemies and commute his minions.

Y’all know Stone is going to try to ratfuck Biden right? Sure Stone could roll on Trump, so Trump needed to commute, but also Trump needs Stone to make the race competitive again (ghouliani couldn’t make Burisma stick).

7/11/2020 6:50:33 AM

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"Either way, it's bad."

Yep. And one way is worse and he went that way.

7/11/2020 11:16:52 AM

Someone plz embed:

https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/7bb3acad87264d6d8b95a7435e7e71e1/800.jpeg

It's Trump wearing a face mask at Walter Reed

7/11/2020 7:47:31 PM

[Edited on July 11, 2020 at 8:00 PM. Reason : Do you not know how to post photographs?]

7/11/2020 8:00:12 PM

Looks photoshopped. I can tell by the pixels.

7/11/2020 8:25:23 PM

Lmao UJW has been in tww for 17 years and is still a n00b?

7/11/2020 8:32:55 PM

Haven’t uploaded a photo in over a decade

7/11/2020 8:55:45 PM

Holy shit he actually did it

7/11/2020 9:11:32 PM

+1 credibility

7/11/2020 10:05:44 PM

My guess is he got there and the Military told him to either wear a mask or to fuck right off, so he went for the photo op.

7/11/2020 10:25:43 PM

Wasn’t there a pic like 3 weeks ago of him wearing a mask?



May 22nd...he should rock this look

[Edited on July 11, 2020 at 11:03 PM. Reason : S]

7/11/2020 10:55:52 PM

He wasn't posing for the cameras that time. Today, he was.

Total fucking sociopath.

7/12/2020 12:20:31 AM

Yay, now we get to pretend he didn't spend the last six months denigrating masks and the people who wear them.

7/12/2020 2:12:31 AM

The media always understood. You rarely see an anchor or field reporter live on air with a mask (even when they were complaining about lack of masks) because they think it looks ridiculous too and realize that seeing someone with or without a mask doesn't actually do anything. Its always been about context and today was a context (hospital) where he felt the need to wear a mask.

7/12/2020 3:43:51 AM

Context? Seriously?

The example the President sets is enormously important. There’s your fucking context. The behavior the President models becomes the baseline for a large portion of the country.

Jesus Christ, context. You fucking abcessed barnacle of a troll.

7/12/2020 4:12:43 AM

bUt AcTuAlLy

7/12/2020 7:21:36 AM

Nice mini example of people reflecting Trump, not vice versa
https://twitter.com/Fritschner/status/1282091215463354373?s=19

7/12/2020 11:17:28 AM

Trump has always said he doesn't wear a mask because he's in a protective bubble where anyone in the white house or close contact has tested negative. That is not foolproof and is what could be criticized.

Regular people don't live with the same security as the president. Does the president need to look both ways before crossing the street? Were Bush or Obama ever seen taking their shoes off before getting on a plane? No, but if they flew commercial with everyone else, they would have. The mask is like that. Typically no one can get within 6 feet of the president without a mask, a test, or both. You will see the same thing with pro athletes, news anchors, reporters, households and anyone else who operates in a "bubble".

If you show me some evidence supporting the idea that people wearing masks is conditioned upon the president doing so, I'll concede and by that logic, we should now expect to see a huge uptick in masks in places where they are not required.

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"CDC recommends that people wear cloth face coverings in public settings and when around people who don’t live in your household, especially when other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain."

You have to realize that the president and the whitehouse staff are in a protective bubble and he rarely comes in contact with anyone outside of that bubble without testing confirmation.

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"When he travels to locations where the virus is surging, every venue the President enters is inspected for potential areas of contagion by advance security and medical teams, according to people familiar with the arrangements. Bathrooms designated for the President's use are scrubbed and sanitized before he arrives. Staff maintain a close accounting of who will come into contact with the President to ensure they receive tests."

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" those around the President still undergo regular testing. "

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"Even as Trump attempts to move on, the protective bubble around him has grown thicker"

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"efforts to prevent him from contracting the virus have progressively become more intensive and wide-ranging. Early steps such as keeping more hand sanitizer nearby eventually evolved into an intensive safety apparatus, including the testing regimen requiring dozens of staffers."

If people did all the things the president is doing, cases would be lowlow. I wish people wore masks and followed all of the guidance too, and when you blindly put the blame for that all on the president, you miss the opportunity to talk about the values which are the real cause. Just like with everything else. I don't hate TDS because I want to defend Trump. I hate TDS because it absolves the country of its sins.

I won't let Trump be the scapegoat for every single problem in this country.



[Edited on July 12, 2020 at 11:41 AM. Reason : you are afraid of the ugly truth that people aren't wearing masks because of american values]

7/12/2020 11:38:16 AM

https://mobile.twitter.com/FirenzeMike/status/1282099967738478592

Twitter is full of idiots who now want to wear a mask because trump did

7/12/2020 12:39:34 PM

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" you are afraid of the ugly truth that people aren't wearing masks because of american values"

Who isn’t wearing masks?

It’s not everyone...

7/12/2020 1:33:46 PM

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"If people did all the things the president is doing, cases would be lowlow."

You mean like holding rallies attended by thousands???

Sure, whatever you say, son

LOL

7/12/2020 7:31:28 PM

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"the opportunity to talk about the values which are the real cause. Just like with everything else. I don't hate TDS because I want to defend Trump. I hate TDS because it absolves the country of its sins. "

It's extremely obvious when you look at how the US has fared compared to every other country, we screwed up... badly. Just this week I think we have the highest death toll/million over the last 7 days of every country on earth.

If Trump would have said back in January that the fed gov wasn't going to have any response and it's up to the states we probably would have been fine. But we were strung along by the trump admin with an incompetent response, to this day, which probably made things worse than if they just told everyone they were going to do nothing from the beginning.

The whole purpose of government is to respond to mass-scale incidents like a pandemic and our gov clearly failed here.

7/13/2020 11:29:18 AM

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"Gallup: 72% of adults wear a mask 'always' or 'very often' when outside of the home. Breakdown by party ID: Democrats 94% Independents 68% Republicans 46% 27% of Republicans say they *never* wear a mask when outside the house. Tribalism in politics is a really dangerous thing."

7/13/2020 12:36:54 PM

https://twitter.com/tvietor08/status/1283041749838057474?s=21

Lol, Ivanka to coal miners: learn to code

7/14/2020 1:52:52 PM

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" Interesting: No president has ever had a higher disapproval rating than Trump now at this point in his term - not even George HW Bush or Carter, who lost, or LBJ and Truman, who chose not to run again. And he's far higher than any president who won."

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

7/14/2020 4:57:51 PM

Its crazy how the media is implying Trump made the DHS policy that international student f1 visas would not be valid if they took online classes. Trump got rid of the policy which was already in place when he took office.

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"The whole purpose of government is to respond to mass-scale incidents like a pandemic and our gov clearly failed here. "

It would have been delusional to have expected anything other than failure from our federal government. Its not like we had this shining star government that took care of everyone's problems then suddenly failed. Katrina anyone?

Then, you have the cultural distrust in government. Reagan said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhYJS80MgYA

7/14/2020 5:16:55 PM

*rule announced last week* *Trump in office last week* *universities sue Trump admin to get rule overturned* "HOW COULD ANYONE SAY THIS IS ON TRUMP??"

7/14/2020 6:42:29 PM

Just because you found out about it last week, doesn't mean it started last week. That rule was the norm and has been the norm as long as I've been working in college. Here is the policy in print from Eastern Florida State college 12/2015

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"4. Maintain full- time enrollment - 12 credit hours per semester – at all times U.S. immigration regulations require F-1 visa students to register for and complete a full course load each semester. At the beginning of each term, EFSC International Student Services is required to confirm that all international students are registered and maintaining full-time enrollment. Student enrollment will be monitored throughout the semester. Students who drop below full-time enrollment without approval from EFSC International Student Services must be reported to the Department of Homeland Security via SEVIS. As a result, the SEVIS record will be terminated and the student will lose lawful F-1 status ? Online Coursework – ONLY 3 hours towards full time enrollment Immigration regulations limit the number of online courses a student can count towards the 12 credit full-time requirement. Only one course or three online credit hours can be counted towards the full-time requirement. Please meet with an International Student Advisor if you have questions regarding courses offered online"

https://www.easternflorida.edu/admissions/documents/maintaining-f1-student-visa-status.pdf

File this under "no one paid attention until Trump became president".

[Edited on July 14, 2020 at 7:32 PM. Reason : how many other things are you mad at trump about that existed long before he took office?]

7/14/2020 7:32:07 PM

Eastern Florida state college sounds like a better source than ICE and DHS themselves
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/sevp-modifies-temporary-exemptions-nonimmigrant-students-taking-online-courses-during

7/14/2020 8:04:03 PM