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marko
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not credible

6/25/2020 10:30:02 AM

HaLo
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^

6/25/2020 10:50:21 AM

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As we break the new total of cases in a day and the positive test rate goes way up in half of the states never forget this from April 10.

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" According to all of that, the day would be...Easter. Did trump shoot the fucking bottle from a mile away?"


Fucking got the libs.

6/25/2020 2:24:05 PM

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He downplays it because he thinks that reaction to the virus is more dangerous than the virus itself. If he wasn't taking it seriously, he wouldn't feel the need to shift all the blame onto China.

^Thats not fair.


Why would you even accept a system where the health of 330 million people all rests solely on the words of one man who happens to randomly change every 4 years.

[Edited on June 25, 2020 at 2:59 PM. Reason : this bomb is armed this bomb is mobile and the trigger man is a mystery]

[Edited on June 25, 2020 at 3:00 PM. Reason : and yall are like we need a better trigger man no we need to disarm the bomb]

6/25/2020 2:37:08 PM

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" He downplays it because he thinks that reaction to the virus is more dangerous than the virus itself."


Fuck off. He downplays it because — and you know this — he only cares about re-election and falsely believes that if he just doesn’t talk about it people will ignore it.

He is the same guy today as he was in 2005, 1995 and 1985. A guy who has never faced a consequence to any decisions he ever made. Now, as POTUS, his decisions have consequences. He can’t face it so he fakes it.

[Edited on June 25, 2020 at 3:09 PM. Reason : And every argument is a straw man. We’ve ALL said the virus was in inevitably to spread]

6/25/2020 3:08:53 PM

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6/25/2020 3:10:43 PM

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"Fuck off. He downplays it because — and you know this — he only cares about re-election and falsely believes that if he just doesn’t talk about it people will ignore it."

Both can be true because he can believe that his reelection is critical to the country's success (thats why hes in politics). He's literally said things like "we can't let the cure be worse than the disease" and "the shutdown is killing people"

I think he sees it like this and has calculated downplaying COVID as better for him and better for the country.

-The virus is fucked and we're unprepared to stop it either way
-we can shutdown at a high cost to slow it down but we still won't stop it
-or we can open up and let it spread but have a booming economy while individuals have choice of protection
-the economic shutdown would hurt the whole country AND his re-election
-they justify "sacrificing lives" because democrats support abortion which, in their opinion "kills" way more than COVID ever will and doesn't allow individual avoidance.

He seems to be thinking, if we're going to have COVID anyway, might as well have people making money while a small % die.


Liberals: "The president doesn't care about the people"
The people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJM-MvfBRbo

[Edited on June 25, 2020 at 3:32 PM. Reason : you don't have to get mad. I don't believe this stuff. I'm just analyzing what his strategy is]

[Edited on June 25, 2020 at 3:44 PM. Reason : yikes]

6/25/2020 3:29:01 PM

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" If he wasn't taking it seriously, he wouldn't feel the need to shift all the blame onto China.
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That's some shit "logic" and you know it. Passing the buck in no way implies the buck passer is taking anything seriously--He's only trying to dodge the blame.

Dumbass

6/25/2020 3:34:06 PM

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538 has him at his highest disapproval aggregate since January 2018

6/26/2020 12:50:23 PM

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I think trump has hit the limits of his “dig holes then fill them back up” strategy

His tweets are incoherent, his can’t even answer softball questions on Hannity, his campaign team is less organized or prepared than they realize, Biden hasn’t been messing up too badly so far.

I can’t see anything trump would conceivably do at this point to help himself. Biden would have to screw up very badly.

6/26/2020 2:17:32 PM

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"If he wasn't taking it seriously, he wouldn't feel the need to shift all the blame onto China."


Hey Earl, here's more evidence he's taking it seriously:

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"Trump plan to cut federal support for Covid-19 testing sites sparks alarm

Officials in states across the US have reacted with alarm to the Trump administration’s plan to end federal support for some Covid-19 testing sites, warning it could cause further spread of a disease that is already surging back and calling the move “irresponsible”.

The White House confirmed on Wednesday it will no longer fund 13 testing sites, including seven in Texas, despite that state reporting record highs in the number of coronavirus cases.

Funding and support for the sites will end this month, even as Covid-19 cases increase across the US. The sites are in Texas, Illinois, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Colorado."


Earl: "If he wasn't taking it seriously, he wouldn't feel the need to downplay the number of cases by eliminating tests"

You fucking moron

6/26/2020 5:05:44 PM

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Forgot link:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/25/us-coronavirus-testing-sites-federal-support-cut-officials-alarm

6/26/2020 5:38:28 PM

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You're mostly dealing in semantics (taking it seriously vs taking it *as seriously as you'd like him to*). Relative seriousness is what you are thinking about. He's definitely downplaying the virus relative to the health of the economy.

Trump is more worried about the panic and concern that could be cause by "record case numbers" that the MSM has repeated over and over this week. The media never mentions how the amount of testing has gone up or that the average case age has gone down or how the death rate has steadily decreased just CASES CASES CASES. This has led to a rough week in the stock market. It should be obvious that the leader of a capitalist country would think like a capitalist.

Also he is not "eliminating tests" he's letting temporary federal funding for test sites expire. That means the sites would stay open under state or local funding. Stop letting media headlines trick you into thinking the things going on are worse than what they are.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/hearing-on-coronavirus-response-set-to-focus-on-testing-11592910000

May I also remind you that the federal government does NOT provide healthcare services for all people free of charge and that is something voters have rejected several times (if we believe the election results are real). This is the system the people chose. Texans just voted in March and they may be learning a valuable lesson right now.

Let me add my thoughts that the virus is spreading but our increased testing isn't slowing that spread. Testing has to be at a point where you are using it with contact tracing which we are not. When someone tests positive, you should get a list of everyone who they have been in contact with, and force all those people to be tested. We aren't doing that at all so the testing isn't very useful to stop the spread because by the time people get tested, they've already exposed others who may never be tested.

[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 6:04 PM. Reason : fyi they are extending the funding of those sites after GOP reps asked for it]

6/26/2020 6:00:30 PM

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"You're mostly dealing in semantics (taking it seriously vs taking it *as seriously as you'd like him to*). Relative seriousness is what you are thinking about. He's definitely downplaying the virus relative to the health of the economy. "


Nope. You're defining "take it seriously" as "not ignoring it entirely". Making up nicknames to link it as China's fault is "not ignoring it entirely", but it sure as fuck is not "taking it seriously", dumbass.

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"Let me add my thoughts that the virus is spreading but our increased testing isn't slowing that spread. Testing has to be at a point where you are using it with contact tracing which we are not. When someone tests positive, you should get a list of everyone who they have been in contact with, and force all those people to be tested. We aren't doing that at all so the testing isn't very useful to stop the spread because by the time people get tested, they've already exposed others who may never be tested."


Sure, that's what someone who was taking it seriously would do. Now: What conclusion can you draw from the fact that the Trump administration isn't even trying to do this?

Think you can handle the logic in that one, dumbass?

6/26/2020 6:25:21 PM

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6/26/2020 6:41:08 PM

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"Nope. You're defining "take it seriously" as "not ignoring it entirely". Making up nicknames to link it as China's fault is "not ignoring it entirely", but it sure as fuck is not "taking it seriously", dumbass."

Look at who else got nicknames and the time when they got them.

Little Marco
Lying Ted
Crooked Hillary
Sleepy Joe
Pocahontas
Crazy Bernie

Based on this pattern, I inferred that he reserves nicknames for the people/things he sees as his greatest enemies and assigns them at the time when they are of biggest threat to him.

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"Sure, that's what someone who was taking it seriously would do. Now: What conclusion can you draw from the fact that the Trump administration isn't even trying to do this?

Think you can handle the logic in that one, dumbass?"

Answer: That he's not taking it as seriously as I would take it.

He thinks it will pass when it passes and he might be right because we don't have the infrastructure in place to do that. The president can't just waive a wand and make an NHS pop up with an organized system for forcing everyone to report and take tests when the NHS tells them so. Those types of systems take YEARS to build.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNKuARjkWEg

Even if we had a national system in place, theres all sorts of legal hurdles concerning testing being mandated by the federal government. Contact tracing has legal hurdles if people choose not to give names and addresses. When working with homelessness, I realized there are a ton of people who are just mentally ill and many of them could get care, but refuse care and there are so many issues with the government trying to make people check in to get care. We need complete reform and until then, most of the existing power is at the state and local level which the president has no control over.

You are essentially expecting Trump to take it seriously by retroactively changing the country's health system after the fact. Nations that take health seriously had robust universal healthcare systems in place for decades. I've been complaining about that on this site for 5 years. You can't demand a warranty from the dealership after your car has started acting up. That ship sailed.

[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 8:23 PM. Reason : nickname is the defcon 5 of Trump's attention]

[Edited on June 26, 2020 at 8:26 PM. Reason : salacadoolamentrakaboolabippityboppityboo]

6/26/2020 8:22:53 PM

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If Trump was taking it seriously, he'd be seen in public wearing a mask. Full stop.

Him simply wearing a mask and saying he has no issues with it and encouraging others to do the same would do an amazing amount to help control this. Yet he doesn't, instead he made fun of Biden for wearing one

6/26/2020 8:28:36 PM

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Holy shit this fucking guy

6/26/2020 9:08:24 PM

Cherokee
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It's starting to look hopeful that he's gone after November. Depressing as all hell that it took something like Covid to wake voters up.

6/26/2020 9:33:29 PM

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Are you talking about Earl or Trump?

6/26/2020 9:34:48 PM

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Trump will only be President for another 6 months or so, 4.5 years tops. Earl will be here forever.

6/26/2020 10:19:53 PM

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"Look at who else got nicknames and the time when they got them.

Little Marco
Lying Ted
Crooked Hillary
Sleepy Joe
Pocahontas
Crazy Bernie

Based on this pattern, I inferred that he reserves nicknames for the people/things he sees as his greatest enemies and assigns them at the time when they are of biggest threat to him. "


Simple: Just like with COVID 19, he wasn't taking those other candidates seriously, either.

Dumbass

ETA: With the exception of Biden: He actually went out of his way to collude with another country to hype a BS investigation of Biden.

That's how you tell when Trump is taking something/someone seriously, you fucking moron.

[Edited on June 27, 2020 at 1:58 AM. Reason : ]

6/27/2020 1:56:35 AM

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More wonderful news about our traitor president.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/us/politics/russia-afghanistan-bounties.html

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"Russia Secretly Offered Afghan Militants Bounties to Kill U.S. Troops, Intelligence Says

The Trump administration has been deliberating for months about what to do about a stunning intelligence assessment."


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"The United States concluded months ago that the Russian unit, which has been linked to assassination attempts and other covert operations in Europe intended to destabilize the West or take revenge on turncoats, had covertly offered rewards for successful attacks last year."


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"The intelligence finding was briefed to President Trump, and the White House’s National Security Council discussed the problem at an interagency meeting in late March, the officials said. Officials developed a menu of potential options — starting with making a diplomatic complaint to Moscow and a demand that it stop, along with an escalating series of sanctions and other possible responses, but the White House has yet to authorize any step, the officials said."

6/27/2020 2:10:30 AM

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^Not only did Trump do nothing as Putin solicited hits on US military personnel, Trump went out of his way to try to get Putin invited to the G7.

Trump.is.a.TRAITOR.

6/27/2020 6:35:23 AM

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^,^^Yeah thats completely unverified and sounds completely made up. How long will you people be so gullible to what intelligence "leaks" out to NYT with no evidence or source. Its a joke.
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"Simple: Just like with COVID 19, he wasn't taking those other candidates seriously, either.

Dumbass

ETA: With the exception of Biden: He actually went out of his way to collude with another country to hype a BS investigation of Biden.

That's how you tell when Trump is taking something/someone seriously, you fucking moron."

This is not logically sound for many reasons
1. He hyped an investigation of Hillary
2. He never had to face the others one on one
3. They probably haven't done anything shady enough to "hype" anyway
4. Trump already went through the phase of accusing the WHO with colluding with China, and withholding funds from the WHO. He didn't need an investigation because he had the power to act.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52679329

Weird how he would pull out of the WHO for letting something that isn't serious happen to us.

and then theres

5. he gets tested routinely and even took a trial drug to keep himself from getting COVID
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/26/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-protocols/index.html

I think this all boils down to the media you consume. MSM doesn't air most of Trump's speeches and press conferences anymore so you only hear the parts they want you to hear and then add headlines that make you think a certain way about what you do see. Trump spent a lot of time talking about how COVID was the worst disaster any president had ever faced and he was basically a war president. Why would he even attended all those briefings and reach for miracle cures for something that wasn't serious?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVAhBfRDXec
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"After Trump told aides at the beginning of the outbreak he must avoid getting sick at all costs, efforts to prevent him from contracting the virus have progressively become more intensive and wide-ranging. Early steps such as keeping more hand sanitizer nearby eventually evolved into an intensive safety apparatus, including the testing regimen requiring dozens of staffers.
So far the efforts appear to have been effective, at least at preventing the President from contracting the virus. But events of the past week have also underscored the primacy of Trump himself to the safety measures, with the safety of staffers who compose his massive footprint coming second."

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"Trump appeared genuinely alarmed when people close to him contracted the disease, seeing in their experiences a fate he was adamantly working to avoid for himself. He raised repeatedly his friend Stanley Chera, a New York real estate developer who Trump had been friends with for decades. Trump described his surprise at Chera's descent from contracting the virus to entering a coma to eventually succumbing to the disease."

but he also has a strategy that he has explicitly stated is to reduce fear and build hope amongst the american people so that the economy can bounce back as soon as possible. That is his priority and you are basically saying that he isn't taking the virus seriously because the economy is his top priority. If you aren't watching all of his speeches in their entirety, and are only watching excerpts from MSM, your opinion about what he thinks is an uninformed one.
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"Him simply wearing a mask and saying he has no issues with it and encouraging others to do the same would do an amazing amount to help control this."

O man the power of Trump! I'm framing this one in my TDS gallery

[Edited on June 27, 2020 at 3:01 PM. Reason : wow]

6/27/2020 2:48:25 PM

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...are you okay?

6/27/2020 4:07:01 PM

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i've literally seen multiple people on facebook say they'll only start wearing a mask once the president does

dammit, got earl'd

6/27/2020 4:35:55 PM

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Earl is a dumb contrarian who just spews rancid shit daily.

https://twitter.com/kellyo/status/1277026420636758016?s=21

But every so often it’s hilarious how he goes on a limb and then the admin saws it off like an hour later.

This story is clearly true with the admin obviously not even trying to dispute it... but for some reason no one decided to tell our big strong water drinking president.

^ Earl aside, I mean it’s not even a question that if he actually did advise to wear masks and did it himself the entire GOP would follow suit and so would his fans. To not think that is just a complete disconnect from reality

[Edited on June 27, 2020 at 7:55 PM. Reason : X]

6/27/2020 7:53:41 PM

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Trump could easily just wear a damn mask with an American flag and so much of this would go away.

In fact, I'm surprised Republicans are so bad at this.

6/27/2020 8:15:49 PM

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"Weird how he would pull out of the WHO for letting something that isn't serious happen to us."


OK, so you're just another dumbass that has swallowed the Trump narrative whole.

Gotcha

"Taking it seriously" is not the same as "attacking" the problem on a primarily cosmetic level so as to shift the blame away from oneself. That's merely Trump taking his public image seriously and nothing more, you fucking moron.

6/27/2020 8:56:43 PM

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"This is not logically sound for many reasons
1. He hyped an investigation of Hillary
2. He never had to face the others one on one
3. They probably haven't done anything shady enough to "hype" anyway
4. Trump already went through the phase of accusing the WHO with colluding with China, and withholding funds from the WHO. He didn't need an investigation because he had the power to act.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52679329"


It is logically sound because you presented your "argument" as "Trump gave COVID 19 a nickname, therefore he's taking it seriously".

You shifting the goalpost away from that now doesn't make my counter argument illogical--It just means your original argument had no merit you fucking moron.

6/27/2020 8:58:52 PM

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"But every so often it’s hilarious how he goes on a limb and then the admin saws it off like an hour later."

I'm not defending the administration at all and don't give a shit about what they have to say because they did the same thing to Iran/Solemani. I'm talking about evidence of the accusation against Russia. Until you realize that not everything in the world is binary (for or against trump) and that my views are not influenced by Trump at all, you'll continue to misunderstand them. I find it incredibly frustrating that the glare from Trump has blinded everyone to old patterns.

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" I mean it’s not even a question that if he actually did advise to wear masks and did it himself the entire GOP would follow suit and so would his fans. To not think that is just a complete disconnect from reality


Trump could easily just wear a damn mask with an American flag and so much of this would go away."


This take really does blow my mind more than anything I've seen from TDS.

Like, I'm sure there are some people out there that do what Trump says because he says it but for most republicans, I'm pretty sure you've got correlation mixed up with causation. I think you have it backwards. Trump does things to appeal to the religious crowd. They support him because he caters to what they say not the other way around. Those people aren't religious because of Trump. If Trump suddenly backed planned parenthood, do you think they would still support him? He doesn't have the kind of influence you think he has. He's just a vessel for an old set of policies.

We have people who never wore condoms because condoms are a sin and uncomfortable (not because Trump likes raw dog) Its the same ideology that has those same people not wearing masks. I posted a video of people at the town hall in Florida explaining why they don't want to wear masks. Trump wasn't even mentioned. There are plenty of intrinsic reasons why people don't wear masks.

-masks are uncomfortable (by far the #1 reason)
- culturally, we don't make sacrifices for the "greater good"
-"if i get it i get but i'm gonna enjoy life" (YOLO)
-if its my time to go its my time to go (god's plan)
-god will protect us from the virus
-your face is your first form of individuality, "communists want everyone to look the same"
-some people held onto the initial advice that masks were not needed
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"When it comes to preventing coronavirus, public health officials have been clear: Healthy people do not need to wear a face mask to protect themselves from COVID-19.

"There's no reason to be walking around with a mask," infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci told 60 Minutes.

While masks may block some droplets, Fauci said, they do not provide the level of protection people think they do. Wearing a mask may also have unintended consequences: People who wear masks tend to touch their face more often to adjust them, which can spread germs from their hands."


I was at some BLM protests and about half of the people out there didn't have on masks. Theres no way those people would wear masks because the president told them to. Trump can't change the culture and despite popular belief, he never has. Young people, in general, aren't wearing masks, social distancing or supporting Trump. Those are the people making up most of the cases.

Model 1:
Trump is an idiot and people are idiots because they follow everything he does.

Model 2:
Trump is an idiot and a ton of people out there are also idiots in ways very similar to Trump which is why they relate with him so well

[Edited on June 27, 2020 at 10:20 PM. Reason : many people don't understand that advice can change as circumstances change and call bs]

6/27/2020 10:15:26 PM

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Seriously, you okay?

6/28/2020 6:48:38 AM

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those golf carts won't drive themselves.

6/28/2020 10:49:38 AM

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Apparently this morning he rt'ed a guy yelling "white power." deleted now.

6/28/2020 11:26:16 AM

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^ I read it was up for at least 17 hours...

6/28/2020 1:37:07 PM

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"The Afghanistan briefing this afternoon at the White House is for House Rs only."


Cool cool cool

6/29/2020 4:41:31 PM

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^^i read that it was deleted within an hour of tim scott criticizing it. Like put up in the morning, and deleted within a few hours. Def not 17 hours I don’t think

6/29/2020 4:58:29 PM

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This article is worth reading in its entirety.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/politics/trump-phone-calls-national-security-concerns/index.html

6/30/2020 8:05:01 AM

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That is a good one.

Further details on the Russian bounty program - PDB contained the information.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/29/us/politics/russian-bounty-trump.html

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"American officials provided a written briefing in late February to President Trump laying out their conclusion that a Russian military intelligence unit offered and paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, two officials familiar with the matter said."


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"The new information emerged as the White House tried on Monday to play down the intelligence assessment that Russia sought to encourage and reward killings — including reiterating a claim that Mr. Trump was never briefed about the matter and portraying the conclusion as disputed and dubious.

But that stance clashed with the disclosure by two officials that the intelligence was included months ago in Mr. Trump’s President’s Daily Brief document — a compilation of the government’s latest secrets and best insights about foreign policy and national security that is prepared for him to read. One of the officials said the item appeared in Mr. Trump’s brief in late February; the other cited Feb. 27, specifically."

6/30/2020 9:06:22 AM

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And of course, just like everything else, there’s a tweet for that

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"Fact--Obama does not read his intelligence briefings nor does he get briefed in person by the CIA or DOD. Too busy I guess!"


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/517045156826988544?s=21

6/30/2020 10:31:04 AM

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https://apnews.com/fcf3ec359401c7575f5402b4da9b00a3

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"Top officials in the White House were aware in early 2019 of classified intelligence indicating Russia was secretly offering bounties to the Taliban for the deaths of Americans, a full year earlier than has been previously reported, according to U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the intelligence.

The assessment was included in at least one of President Donald Trump’s written daily intelligence briefings at the time, according to the officials. Then-national security adviser John Bolton also told colleagues at the time that he briefed Trump on the intelligence assessment in March 2019.

The White House didn’t respond to questions about Trump or other officials’ awareness of Russia’s provocations in 2019. The White House has said Trump wasn’t — and still hasn’t been — briefed on the intelligence assessments because they haven’t been fully verified. However, it’s rare for intelligence to be confirmed without a shadow of a doubt before it is presented to top officials."

6/30/2020 11:09:02 AM

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It just came out today that everything about the intelligence was unconfirmed. If Trump has been getting the intelligence reports and ignoring them, thats great. Biden was on about how he and Obama read the reports everyday. Then they went and and blew up weddings and hospitals because of what was in them. Fuck unconfirmed intelligence. There needs to be clear, verifiable evidence before you trust anything from these agencies.

6/30/2020 5:33:23 PM

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/politics/russian-bounties-afghanistan-intelligence.html

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"American officials intercepted electronic data showing large financial transfers from a bank account controlled by Russia’s military intelligence agency to a Taliban-linked account, evidence that supported their conclusion that Russia covertly offered bounties for killing U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, according to three officials familiar with the intelligence.

Though the United States has accused Russia of providing general support to the Taliban before, analysts concluded from other intelligence that the transfers were most likely part of a bounty program that detainees described during interrogations.

Investigators also identified by name numerous Afghans in a network linked to the suspected Russian operation, the officials said — including, two of them added, a man believed to have served as an intermediary for distributing some of the funds and who is now thought to be in Russia."


The chances seem quite high that Trump is actually a traitor. My sincere guess is it has something to do with performing money laundering activities for Russian nationals via his real estate "empire."

[Edited on June 30, 2020 at 6:55 PM. Reason : a]

6/30/2020 6:30:29 PM

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You're arguing with a caricature.

AcTuAlLy TrUmP iS gReAt FoR tHiS

[Edited on June 30, 2020 at 7:34 PM. Reason : X]

6/30/2020 7:33:34 PM

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My post isn't in response to his, it was adding additional information to my previous post. I don't recognize horosho anymore here since he doesn't process facts and logic properly.

6/30/2020 7:35:58 PM

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The scary thing that is bothering most people on both sides isn’t that he was ignoring the intelligence. It’s that he literally was unaware of the intelligence. There have been multiple reports that he doesn’t assimilate much of the PDBs. Many reports that he prefers charts and graphs etc. I take him at his word(lol) that he wasn’t briefed on it. He simply didn’t take the time to read it all.

6/30/2020 7:48:46 PM

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It's not just that - he's effectively created a firewall between himself and any intelligence that pertains to Russia. People will not approach him with anything concerning Russia because he just gets angry and explodes.

There is a very serious concern that he is beholden to them and it's beyond time to find out why.

6/30/2020 7:51:51 PM

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NYM is so eager to find a Trump supporter that he puts out lies about what I'm saying in my posts. His lies are effective because theres an overlap of people who don't read my posts and believe all of his. Trump may very well be beholden to Russia. I never denied that. People can do the right thing for the wrong reason. Nowhere did I say Trump was great.

Cherokee you don't need to respond to me. That would likely include a fallacy anyway. TWW is not the world. I am not the only person on this planet who looks for evidence before believing allegations or questions the motives of the intelligence agencies. Respond to the general idea. You can both ignore me and defend your own view.

You could respond to this and leave me out of it:
https://www.rt.com/news/493407-afghanistan-russian-bounties-shifting-narrative/
Or maybe you're also ignoring that because Russia and the Taliban have both denied the accusations

Then maybe you could respond to this
https://original.antiwar.com/Danny_Sjursen/2020/06/29/serving-the-bottomless-kool-aid-blame-russia-rides-again/
or this
https://news.antiwar.com/2020/06/29/intel-official-nyt-russian-bounty-story-uncorroborated/
or this
https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2020/06/29/russiagates-last-gasp/

and if not those then maybe your lack of response has nothing to do with me or my reasoning skills.


[Edited on June 30, 2020 at 8:21 PM. Reason : respond to the point not the person making it]

6/30/2020 8:19:17 PM

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There is no nuance. It’s one or the other of: “I don’t like the war in Afghanistan” and “it’s not cool the president is such a fuckup he doesn’t read intelligence reports.”

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1278074581090066432?s=21

The POTUS has one hell of re-election message of “I can drink water, walk up a ramp and read.” Good stuff.

Also, orange man actually is bad. Really bad.

*** there is no view to defend. It’s pretty well sourced but nothing like this is ever ironclad for obvious reasons. You’re relying on your priors and biases just like any of us...

[Edited on June 30, 2020 at 8:29 PM. Reason : Totality of evidence is this probably happened. It’s not like we haven’t done it too..]

6/30/2020 8:27:48 PM

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