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2/24/2009 12:21:57 PM

We just opened a java developer position today.

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"Minimum requirements: - Demonstrable experience with Tomcat, Spring, Hibernate, and Quartz - Able to design and implement MySQL schema - Able to work independently - Gather requirements from internal groups and implement features based on these requirements with minimal oversight - Excellent verbal communication skills "

If anyone in the RTP area is looking for a job.

PM me for the craigslist listing.


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2/24/2009 1:39:18 PM

Since 3 different agencies contacted me yesterday about this (2 called, all 3 emailed) I think they're grasping for anyone for these. I didn't talk to anyone, just tried to understand the engrish message. But, if you are out of work, it is probally better than nothing.

Take your pick of which agency to contact. I guess there is a change these are different positions, it seems like the same one to me.

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" Job Title: Network Engineer. Location: Durham, NC . Duration: 10 Months Contract Position. Job Description: Day to day support of existing firewalls and vpn endpoints. Support of projects to deploy devices at new sites, upgrades on existing equipment, and rule modifications per customer requests. This includes initial configs, troubleshooting connectivity issues, and at times managing the project to completion. Skill Experience Need 1) Juniper Netscreen Expert Required 2) Cisco PIX Intermediate Required 3) Firewall troubleshooting Intermediate Required 4) VPN config (multi-vendor) Expert Required 5) Checkpoint firewall Intermediate Required 6) Global customer interaction Intermediate Desired 7) Nortel Contivity Intermediate Desired 8) Network analysis Expert Required 9) Aventail appliances Intermediate Desired Please updated your resume according to the skill which are highlighted above and send me your updated resume in word format. Thanks & Regards, Bhaskar Chatterjee, Technical Recruiter Consulting and Technology Services I.T Excel LLC. | 2 Mount Royal Ave., Suite 220 | Marlborough, MA 01752 bhaskar@itexcel.com | Tel (732) 203-7378 | Fax (508) 597-7700 P Save trees; print only when necessary"

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"Hi, Radiant Systems, Inc. requests you to review the following contract opportunity. If you are willing to consider this opportunity, please submit your resume by clicking on the Reply button on your Email Client. Feel free to contact us for any additional information. Radiant Systems, Inc. is a Global IT Solutions provider, with corporate offices located in NJ; we service clients in North America, Europe and in Asia. To know more about Radiant Systems, Inc. please visit us at http://www.radiants.com Job Details Job ID: 40417 Job Title: Network Services/Support Job Description: Day to day support of existing firewalls and vpn endpoints. Support of projects to deploy devices at new sites, upgrades on existing equipment, and rule modifications per customer requests. This includes initial configs, troubleshooting connectivity issues, and at times managing the project to completion. Job Skills: Juniper Netscreen, Cisco PIC Estimated Start Date: 3/9/2009 Location: , NC , USA Duration: 10 Months Special Notes: Skills: 1) Juniper Netscreen Expert Required 2) Cisco PIX Intermediate Required 3) Firewall troubleshooting Intermediate Required 4) VPN config (multi-vendor) Expert Required 5) Checkpoint firewall Intermediate Required 6) Global customer interaction Intermediate Desired 7) Nortel ContivityIntermediate Desired 8) Network analysis Expert Required 9) Aventail appliances Intermediate Desired Location: Durham NC Please Contact: Saritha Loganathan sloganathan@radiants.com (908)731-5248 X "

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"Hello, My name is Rupesh and I'm a recruiter at Artech. Artech has an urgent contract for one of our direct clients: Job Title: Network Services/Support Location: DURHAM, NC Duration: 10 Months(Can extend later) Job Description: Job Category: Project Name: Customer Support Project Description: Ongoing support for customer firewall and security infrastructure. Job Description: Day to day support of existing firewalls and vpn endpoints. Support of projects to deploy devices at new sites, upgrades on existing equipment, and rule modifications per customer requests. This includes initial configs, troubleshooting connectivity issues, and at times managing the project to completion. Skills Inventory Skill Experience Need 1)Juniper NetscreenExpert Required 2)Cisco PIXIntermediate Required 3)Firewall troubleshootingIntermediate Required 4)VPN config (multi-vendor)Expert Required 5)Checkpoint firewallIntermediate Required 6)Global customer interactionIntermediate Desired 7)Nortel ContivityIntermediate Desired 8)Network analysisExpert Required 9)Aventail appliancesIntermediate Desired If you are qualified, available, interested, planning to make a change, or know of a friend who might have the required qualifications and interest, please call me ASAP at (973) 993-9383 Ext.3342, even if we have spoken recently about a different position. If you do respond via e-mail please include a daytime phone number so I can reach you. In considering candidates, time is of the essence, so please respond ASAP. Artech is a global IT Consulting company with over 30 Fortune 500 customers. You may visit our website at http://www.artechinfo.com to learn more about us. Thank you. Sincerely yours, Rupesh Ranjan (973) 993-9383 Ext.3342 rupesh_ranjan@artechinfo.com"

2/26/2009 11:00:39 PM

If anybody knows any openings in Charlotte for a software developer (web or desktop, .NET or php) i'm in the market

2/26/2009 11:12:53 PM

^I get voice mails weekly for software developer positions in Charlotte. One thing I hate about recruiters is they don't stop calling even when you have a job.

2/27/2009 1:12:55 AM

^^ Call up Robert Half Technology. Anthony Fernandez, tell him I sent you

2/27/2009 1:03:06 PM

^^ it's funny, when i got laid off in december, i updated my resume on monster and immediately got ~20 phonecalls or emails. but they hired me back immediately so i ignored all the recruiters. earlier this week i emailed all the recruiters who had originally emailed me, only got a response from 2 of them.

^ thx, i will do that

2/27/2009 2:18:08 PM

^^he was one of the people who called me.

2/27/2009 2:25:31 PM

^He doesn't call me, but I get regular emails from him and other people in RHT with positions.

I just made it clear after working with them that I am happily settled in my position, but I have a lot of colleagues that may be looking for things. It's made for a good dialog for me... I don't get the weird calls or leads, just heads' up here and there for opportunities I have contacts for.

2/27/2009 6:43:30 PM

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"Greetings -- please forward to interested applicants ---must apply online by 3/7/09 at http://www.louisville.edu --- click on "Jobs" from the main menu--- job #23718 ---Thanks! 03/01/2009 Programmer Analyst II Equal Employment Opportunity The University of Louisville is an Affirmative Action, Equal Opportunity, Americans with Disabilities Employer, committed to diversity and in that spirit, seeks applications from a broad variety of candidates. Requirements Requires a Bachelor's degree in Computer Science or related field and three years of related Computer experience. Additional experience may be used on a one-to-one basis to offset the educational requirements. Salary commensurate with experience. Grade EE. Position Description The Programmer/Analyst will be responsible for developing database(s) and web applications while providing revisions to existing web applications. Experience designing, creating and implementing small scale web-enabled applications and solutions is essential. Knowledge and prior experience with the following are required: ASP.NET, C#, SQL & XML. Experience with MySQL , JOOMLA! and/or PHP is highly desirable. Candidate must be a self-starter; able to make decisions, plan proactively and solve arising problems using sound judgment and experience. How To Apply -Staff Positions To apply for this position, please click on the "Apply Now" button on this page. You must submit your application by clicking on the "Submit" button no later than Saturday by midnight. If you need assistance completing your application there are Tips & Troubleshooting available online at http://louisville.edu/hr/employment/applicants Computers are available for application submission at the Human Resources Department located at 1980 Arthur Street - Louisville, Kentucky 40208. For more information, please contact us by email at employ@louisville.edu or by phone 502-852-6542. If you are an individual with a disability and need reasonable accommodation to participate in the hiring process, please visit our Affirmative Action Website for additional applicant information located at http://louisville.edu/hr/affirmativeaction/disabilities"

p.s. they are looking to hire in the 45k range so this is more for either junior ppl that have just graduated or desperate people

no idea on relocation but i imagine there isn't much if anything at all

3/3/2009 9:29:53 AM

who here works at State? since i'm job searching, figured i'd open up to relocation (i'm in charlotte right now).

are salaries at State (universities in general) competitive? i figure probably not but i really like the idea of working in higher education and doing so at my alma mater would be a pretty neat bonus.

3/8/2009 7:59:21 PM

wow... all these jobs are sysadmin/it jobs. someone post some engineering jobs!

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3/8/2009 8:36:14 PM

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"Requires a Bachelor's degree in Computer Science or related field and three years of related Computer experience. Additional experience may be used on a one-to-one basis to offset the educational requirements."

i should never say never, but god help me may i never have to take a position that will accept 4 years of experience in lieu of a bachelor's degree.

but still, you never see this for electrical engineering jobs, so I'm probably safe.





[Edited on March 8, 2009 at 9:29 PM. Reason : ]

3/8/2009 9:19:09 PM

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"wow... all these jobs are sysadmin/it jobs. someone post some engineering jobs! "

Was gonna make a comment last week...i thought this was the tech jobs thread.

3/8/2009 10:40:08 PM

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"i should never say never, but god help me may i never have to take a position that will accept 4 years of experience in lieu of a bachelor's degree. but still, you never see this for electrical engineering jobs, so I'm probably safe."

why not? Experience goes a very long way.

3/9/2009 2:18:48 AM

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"why not? Experience goes a very long way."

+1

3/9/2009 3:16:28 AM

^, ^^ yeah that's what most Wake Tech dropouts and CS majors say.

because they're the only ones who seem to think that sitting in a cube for 4 years, doing some minor PHP or Ruby development is somehow equivalent to a four-year degree from an accredited college of engineering

this is what annoys me with these so-called "software engineers" . they're a dime a dozen, and most of them (at least out here on the west coast) don't even have degrees. they're all self-taught or maybe 2 years of junior college.

3/9/2009 11:08:45 AM

the only software engineers i know without college degrees are over the age of 40

[Edited on March 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM. Reason : or are foreign]

3/9/2009 11:14:19 AM

well, theres a shit ton of them on the west coast that got in during the late 90's tech boom.

now they just cluster around places like MSFT and Amazon, and drive wages down for you Comp Sci folks who actually did complete a degree.

but whatever, i dont compete in that space. I entertained it briefly, but 2 months as a MSFT contractor was enough for me




[Edited on March 9, 2009 at 11:22 AM. Reason : ]

3/9/2009 11:21:28 AM

here we go again with joe trollin, acting like his degree from state is worth something. in computer science, as far as actual employee value, experience definitely outweighs a degree. I see so many coming out that "know" (halfway remember) 3 semesters of java, general idea of some data structures, and no concept of working with others and making clean/maintainable code that someone would want to spend money.

3/9/2009 12:20:39 PM

sounds to me like this joe kid sucks at his job and is being out performed by someone without a degree. to each his own.

3/9/2009 12:31:34 PM

hey how about we not turn this thread into another troll fest.

3/9/2009 12:43:21 PM

a caveat to my post is that there are a lot of fine csc grads from ncsu I've met and went to school with, but I'd say their skill and extensive knowledge largely came from time and effort spent outside of mandatory studies.

3/9/2009 1:02:26 PM

i don't, for a minute, deny that experience is valuable. my experience is what allowed me to negotiate for the highest pay range within my job title's scale in a very competitive industry

but to suggest 4 years of experience is equivalent to a BS, would be laughable if it wasn't sadly indicative of the short-term thinking that plagues so many businesses today.

it also shows how that many so-called software engineering roles are readily filled by technicians and other non-degreed persons.

and i'm just glad that my engineering background allows me the luxury of not having to compete in that space.







[Edited on March 9, 2009 at 1:12 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2009 1:06:19 PM

damnit people

does EVERY THREAD IN TECH TALK have to turn into a pissing contest?

sheesh.

3/9/2009 1:08:39 PM

the proper spelling is either "dammit" or "damn it"



[Edited on March 9, 2009 at 1:14 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2009 1:12:54 PM

i love getting caught up on semantics

LOVE

3/9/2009 1:13:53 PM

Piss Talk

3/9/2009 1:16:44 PM

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"here we go again with joe trollin, acting like his degree from state is worth something"

an engineering degree from NCSU is, in fact, fairly valuable. Even as a Tier II college, the engineering programs at State are well-regarded due to the COE reputation as serious research institution.

CS ... eh, not so much. Unfortunately, even Carolina is known to have a more rigorous CS program







[Edited on March 9, 2009 at 1:23 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2009 1:20:03 PM

When I was at State, Carolina's undergraduate program was a joke, but their graduate program was much better, supposedly.

3/9/2009 1:28:30 PM

hmmm

maybe i am thinking of their grad program...

3/9/2009 1:55:27 PM

yeah their grad program is highly regarded. but their undergrad is nothing. in fact, i was offered a decent scholarship to go to UNC, but I chose State instead b/c the closest thing UNC had at the time was a "programming certificate" not even a minor. probably would have been better off there anyways. I learned jack squat in the CSC program. Fortunately I'm a somewhat intelligent guy and had already been programming for a few years so I've been able to have a fairly successful career in software development anyways. I still remember the two chicks on my senior design project. They seriously could barely write a for loop. pretty sad

[Edited on March 9, 2009 at 2:40 PM. Reason : i don't know the current state of UNC's undergrad program. it's probably better than State's]

3/9/2009 2:39:08 PM

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"They seriously could barely write a for loop. pretty sad"

And on paper they appear to be just as qualified as you and joe because they too have an engineering degree from State. So by his logic they're a better candidate than someone with 4+ years of real world experience.

3/9/2009 4:00:29 PM

There are anecdotes for every side of this argument, you know

3/9/2009 4:04:14 PM

Yeah I'm gonna say it really just depends on your company.

My first job would probably hire somebody with no college but 4 years experience (then again maybe not), but my current company places ridiculously high emphasis on degrees.

3/9/2009 4:17:00 PM

^^^

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"they have an engineering degree from State"

no, they don't. a CS Degree != Engineering Degree.

FWIW, im not bashing on all CS grads. there are many (from NCSU and otherwise) who are intelligent, motivated professionals. the problem with CS, unlike say electricla or mechanical engineering, is that so many companies will hire non-degreed technicians to fill their mid-level CS functional roles.

But Golovko, IIRC you never even went to NCSU, anyhow. What's your motivation for putting your dog in this fight?







[Edited on March 9, 2009 at 4:41 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2009 4:28:15 PM

^ you missed the point. THAT particular example was CS but the same will apply to any area of study. After your first job, experience speaks a lot louder than a piece of paper from NC State ever will.

and yes, I went to state before transferring.

3/9/2009 4:40:14 PM

okay, disclosure time: how long were you at NCSU, what program and where did you transfer to?

and no, you're wrong: experience will never obviate the need for the foundations, espeically in engineering. You go try and get a P.E. license, okay? otherwise, everyone will just go to a 2-year trad school. you'd like that, I'll bet?

look, im not saying experience doesn't count. Of course it does. A lot. i know some old guys who are grandfathered in as "associate engineers" with their 20 - 30 years of experience. but while they have a vast knowledge in specific products and processes, they are lacking in some engineering foundations.

so they learn to work within the system but have difficulty adapting when the system changes too quickly. for instance, when a product line disappears due to EOL or obsolescence, technology changes require new or expanded skill sets, or new processes require new techniques. they have to become gurus at some niche aspect, and hope the need for their particular skill will have longterm demand.





[Edited on March 9, 2009 at 4:59 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2009 4:48:41 PM

I have a CS degree from NC State that is an engineering degree. My tassel was orange.

3/9/2009 5:46:47 PM

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"I have a CSC degree from NC State that is an engineering degree. My tassel was orange."

CS is crop science at NCSU - or at least it used to be

V i figured it was worth it since we were already arguing that NCSU chose to incorrectly categorize certain majors

although back when my mom got her CSC degree from NCSU it was in PAMS

3/9/2009 5:49:26 PM

Yeah I know, I just didn't want to be that shallow and pedantic.

3/9/2009 5:49:45 PM

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"look, im not saying experience doesn't count. Of course it does. A lot. i know some old guys who are grandfathered in as "associate engineers" with their 20 - 30 years of experience. but while they have a vast knowledge in specific products and processes, they are lacking in some engineering foundations. so they learn to work within the system but have difficulty adapting when the system changes too quickly. for instance, when a product line disappears due to EOL or obsolescence, technology changes require new or expanded skill sets, or new processes require new techniques. they have to become gurus at some niche aspect, and hope the need for their particular skill will have longterm demand. "

Exactly. Experience gives you great skill and an ability to execute better than someone with only an education. However, an education gives the ability to change skills much easier than someone without an education.

3/9/2009 6:40:36 PM

so.. why does the education only qualify if it came from a university in a 4-6 year increment?

3/9/2009 6:46:10 PM

well, its no guarantee but its a pretty safe bet that if the student applied himself, made good grades, and got a degree from a respected university, that having gotten a university degree, whether it was within a 4, 6, 10, 25 year increment, that he will have a general base of knowledge that will greatly enable him to understand the underlying principles beyond what he is directly exposed to in his day to day performance of a particular task.

3/9/2009 8:54:11 PM

A degree is basically shorthand for "I probably know at least x much."

3/9/2009 9:08:08 PM

^ and that they can learn new technologies while multitasking in a high-pressure time-sensitive environment.

and that they can communicate scientific facts in a professional manner to senior personnel and executive management at a moderately effective level.

and that they have at least some exposure to to classical liberal studies that require a person to be able to employ critical thinking skills while considering unfamiliar perspectives on a wide variety of issues.

etc...

and sorry, Golovko, but your average Cartaret County Community College diploma graduate of the computer technology certificate program... they don't have those skills, unless they've picked them up on their own initiative.

i mean, you will personally probably do alright with your trade diploma, but the unfortunate fact is most businesses put real value on the skills i described, and you're going to find that you hit that glass ceiling pretty quick.




[Edited on March 9, 2009 at 9:24 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2009 9:24:08 PM

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"My first job would probably hire somebody with no college but 4 years experience (then again maybe not), but my current company places ridiculously high emphasis on degrees."

IIRC Almost everybody at I-Cubed was a State grad.

joe_schmoe: I don't really know what you're talking about. I'm a software professional witb a BSEE and a BSCpE from NCSU. I don't know of any half-serious software house that even entertains hiring for a Software Engineering position without a BS in a technical field. The further you get away from CSC and Engineering the more experience you require.

Also, you all have really blurred or straight up ignored the difference between Software Engineering and Programming. Any monkey can pick up a programming book and become a technically proficient programmer. However, becoming a professional Software Engineer is something different entirely. I'm not sure how much stock I put in any of your arguments unless you can clearly bifurcate the difference between a programmer/developer and a software engineer.

3/9/2009 10:21:39 PM

there is no formal process to define Software Engineer. maybe your company does, and that's great. but it's totally subjective and the definition varies from company to company. Software Engineering has very little enforced body of standards, or any sort of body to define professional qualifications

In my experience out on the west coast, from Seattle down to the Bay area, any PHP or Ruby on Rails programmer with no degree whatsoever can call themselves a "Software Engineer"

and they can compete for probably 80% of the Software Development Engineer jobs, even including Microsoft.

it only becomes strict when a CPE or an EE degree is required.

since you have an engineering degree and you work for a company that requires such, i think you are missing the wide latitude that SDEs and SDETs have in professional qualifications in the software industry at large.


( \/ \/ i will admit my real-world experience is heavy on the west coast, and light on the east coast. it could be a significantly different culture back east...)






[Edited on March 9, 2009 at 10:43 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2009 10:27:47 PM

I like that Golovko skedaddled when you asked about his degree

3/9/2009 10:32:39 PM

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"In my experience out on the west coast, from Seattle down to the Bay area, any PHP or Ruby on Rails programmer with no degree whatsoever can call themselves a "Software Engineer""

Definitely not true in the Northeast, especially NYC. The job market is just way too competitive up here.

3/9/2009 10:35:08 PM