i plan on living til 120 while being reasonable with portions and eating mostly healthy.
at least thats the plan.

my great grandma did it.
so can i (well shes in her late 90's but shes truckin on!)


[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 8:59 PM. Reason : ou can't attribute any diet to longevity at least not completely!]

[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 9:02 PM. Reason : however it doesnt hurt ]

12/31/2010 8:56:56 PM

old, there's a much much older thread about this....


also, the biggest problem with the 'cave man' diet is that we will have to cull the population down to 'cave man' levels just about to get everyone on board


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[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 9:57 PM. Reason : older thread]

12/31/2010 9:47:47 PM

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"ou can't attribute any diet to longevity at least not completely!]"

tell that to the okinawans!

12/31/2010 10:01:18 PM

^please elaborate.

12/31/2010 10:03:30 PM

People on the Japanese island of Okinawa live very long, even longer than the average Japanese, and it is attributed to their diet mostly/partly.

Heck, some idiots (geniuses?) have already capitalized on it and made and marketed the "Okinawan Diet".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawa_Diet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawa#Demography


Same with the Mediterranean Diet, which has been attributed as the main cause of the longevity of some of the Mediterranean people, the ones who follow it till today (the older generation). Main life-giving food is olive oil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_diet (see the medical research section)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretan_diet


[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 10:31 PM. Reason : ]

12/31/2010 10:27:30 PM

be careful with wiki articles



[Edited on January 1, 2011 at 2:09 AM. Reason : ]

1/1/2011 1:47:29 AM

Check out http://www.robbwolf.com or http://www.whole9life.com

Lots of good information on both.

[Edited on January 1, 2011 at 7:58 AM. Reason : ]

1/1/2011 7:56:01 AM

^Agreed. Robb has an excellent weekly podcast filled with catchphrases like EGADS and HOLY CATS.

I also like these blogs:

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/ (traditional diets, not necessarily paleo)
http://www.paleonu.com



The getting started section on panu probably describes 95% of it:

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"1. Eliminate sugar (including fruit juices and sports drinks) and all foods that contain flour. 2. Start eating proper fats - Use healthy animal fats or coconut fat to substitute fat calories for carbohydrate calories that formerly came from sugar and flour. Drink whole cream or coconut milk. 3. Eliminate gluten grains. Limit grains like corn and rice, which are nutritionally poor. 4. Eliminate grain and seed derived oils (cooking oils) Cook with Ghee, butter, animal fats, or coconut oil. 5. Favor ruminants like beef, lamb and bison for your meat. Eat eggs and some fish. 6. Make sure you are Vitamin D replete. Get daily midday sun or consider supplementation. 7. 2 meals a day is best. Don't graze like a herbivore. 8. Adjust your 6s and 3s. Pastured (grass fed) dairy and grass fed beef or bison has a more optimal 6:3 ratio, more vitamins and CLA. A teaspoon or two of Carlson's fish oil (1-2 g DHA/EPA) daily is good compensatory supplementation if you eat grain-fed beef or no fish. 9. Proper exercise - emphasizing resistance and interval training over long aerobic sessions. 10. Most modern fruit is just a candy bar from a tree. Go easy on bags of sugar like apples. Stick with berries and avoid watermelon which is pure fructose. Eat in moderation. 11. Eliminate legumes 12. Eliminate all remaining dairy including cheese- (now you are "Orthodox paleolithic")"

1/1/2011 9:00:53 AM

^^^^ Doesn't hold water.

http://www.arthurhu.com/index/lifeexpe.htm

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"But not until 2006 was it ever mentioned that every estimate of life expectancy which include Asian Americans live longer than anybody else, including the Japanese who are generally given credit for the longest in the world. Mormons also have a longer life expectancy than the Japanese, according to economist Thomas Sowell."

Asian americans eat a lot more like americans than their okinawan counterparts.

Incidentally, there is a Mormon diet, too! Who would believe that? What does it recommend? Eat little meat and eat lots of whole grains -- the exact opposite of the fucking paleo diet.

This is quite a conundrum for those looking to subscribe to diet fads like the original poster



[Edited on January 1, 2011 at 10:18 AM. Reason : .]

1/1/2011 10:17:01 AM

This is an interesting thread, but the last time I checked, the population of ethnic groups that subsist mainly on rice/grain based diets (IE AZNS) continues to soar exponentially

1/1/2011 12:54:38 PM

^^Keep trying, son. With a few more years of hard work, you may become an effective troll.

1/1/2011 1:11:39 PM

Nothing to add to the paleo diet, but I've been following the blood-type diet for a few years. Love it.

1/1/2011 2:15:11 PM

want to live longer? Eat less. low-caloric intake diets are the only diets I am aware of that have actually been shown to result in longer lifespans through scientific testing. It's not the berries, fish, and twigs that are going to make you live forever; it's how much of them you eat.

1/1/2011 2:51:42 PM

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"-Hunter gatheres had short, ugly lives... Not true; they often had leisurely lives that could be healthy and long lasting if they could escape death in infancy"

Not all, obviously. But winter was something to suffer through. And if the weather turned bad, everyone starved to death and their land was taken by the outcasts from neighboring tribes. Just like animal clans today, such as lions, when food becomes scarce, the lowest status members are forced to leave the territory.

And per the iron law of subsistence, the more there is to eat and be well fed, the more offspring are produced. The more mouths to feed, the less there was to eat. As such, the only reason Paleolithic man was well fed most of the time was because his neighbors starved to death, succumbed to disease, accident, or violence fast enough to keep the population in check. Robert Malthus was right, about Paleolithic man. He was only wrong about us because modern society is awesome when it comes to food production.

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"My position is that it is, virtually by definition, the healthiest diet possible. Why? Because it's the diet we adapted to over 2 million years."

Most herbivorous evolved eating the bark of trees to get through the winter when grass could not be found. But they would much prefer eating crops planted by humans.

1/1/2011 3:37:50 PM

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"Most modern fruit is just a candy bar from a tree. Go easy on bags of sugar like apples. Stick with berries"

Is there any evidence that apples from that time had less sugar per gram than apples from now? I can believe it, though, as fruits growing in the wild are not sweet like commercially grown ones. They are less sweet, have bitter/astringent qualities, and texture is much more fibrous.

Also, it says to go easy on apples, but to stick with berries. Berries have more sugar per gram than apples do. And why does it single out apples? Apples are quite low in sugar and low on the GI scale compared to many commonly consumed fruits such as grapes, bananas, and oranges. If anything, it should say to stay away from bananas, not apples. Apples also have quite a bit of more fiber compared to the fruits I mentioned.

?

1/1/2011 3:47:13 PM

berries have more sugar per gram...true


but do you realize the quantity of berries you'd have to eat to equal that amount?


1 apple is about 20-30g of carbs/sugar

You'd have to eat anywhere from 250-375g (2-3 cups) of berries to equal the amount in 1 apple...that's a shit ton of berries

1/1/2011 6:38:56 PM

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"People on the Japanese island of Okinawa live very long, even longer than the average Japanese, and it is attributed to their diet mostly/partly."

And they eat a crapload of pork, which would be against this diet. Which goes to show a lot of these fad diets are no better than any other healthy diet.

^ I can easily eat a pound of blueberries in a sitting if left to my own devices lol.

[Edited on January 1, 2011 at 8:02 PM. Reason : g]

1/1/2011 8:01:04 PM

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"I've never felt better, slept better, looked better, lifted heavier, or had more energy as when I was doing strict paleo."

likely attributable to increased testosterone levels rather than general well-being. besides, feeling good is a lousy indicator of healthiness--plenty of people with illnesses ranging from high blood pressure to stage-3 cancer feel just fine. if you're comparing it to a standard american diet, it's probably a big improvement, but compared to any other calorie-regulated diet with a similar nutrition profile, it's not likely to be a significant difference, let alone a panacea. if anything, the opportunistic feeding the diet tries to replicate should be a clue that the human body is just as adept at extracting protein from spam as it is peanuts.

[Edited on January 1, 2011 at 8:57 PM. Reason : ^^apples and blueberries have the same amount of sugar per 100 grams]

1/1/2011 8:47:59 PM

primal bluebrint is a great read

1/1/2011 10:26:02 PM

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"these fad diets are no better than any other healthy diet."

exactly. there's nothing wrong with grains. it's the pulverizing, enriching, bleaching, and preservatives that make grains unhealthy. Not to mention the oils, syrups, and hydrogenation

and maybe this has been explained, but how are squash and root vegetables paleolithic when these foods have been improved by domestication?

1/2/2011 1:21:11 AM

I agree with Nerdchick, she is alwayoiuhygn9y7g98yg9m80s right about everything!!!!

1/2/2011 1:35:43 AM

ITT, we call eating things we've been eating for hundreds of thousands of years a "fad diet"

ITT, we still believe in calories in/calories out: 1200 calories of pure sugar == 1200 calories of whole foods

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"and maybe this has been explained, but how are squash and root vegetables paleolithic when these foods have been improved by domestication? "

I'd say all foods have altered by domestication to some extent, sometimes improved... sometimes not. (when a single piece of fruit has 280g of sugar, I'd hardly say that's an improvement. We're living in the 21st century and we do the best we can; that means eating very small fruit, organic vegetables, and pastured meat.

Now, there's a world of difference a slight alteration to a paleolithic food (squash) and introducing a brand new food with a novel array of potent toxins and anti-nutrients that the human body simply has no experience dealing with.

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"exactly. there's nothing wrong with grains. it's the pulverizing, enriching, bleaching, and preservatives that make grains unhealthy. Not to mention the oils, syrups, and hydrogenation "

Just because refined grains are worse than whole grains, doesn't mean whole grains are perfectly healthy. Again, I use the analogy of filtered cigarettes to unfiltered cigarettes.

Don't forget that there are reasons, historically, that we eat refined grains:

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"Last year, I published a post on the Diet and Reinfarction trial (DART), a controlled trial that increased grain fiber intake using whole wheat bread and wheat bran supplements, and reported long-term health outcomes in people who had previously suffered a heart attack (1). The initial paper found a trend toward increased heart attacks and deaths in the grain fiber-supplemented group at two years, which was not statistically significant. What I didn't know at the time is that a follow-up study has been published. After mathematically "adjusting" for preexisting conditions and medication use, the result reached statistical significance: people who increased their grain fiber intake had more heart attacks than people who didn't during the two years of the controlled trial. Overall mortality was higher as well, but that didn't reach statistical significance. You have to get past the abstract of the paper to realize this, but fortunately it's free access (2). Here's a description of what not to eat if you're a Westerner with established heart disease: "Those randomised to fibre advice were encouraged to eat at least six slices of wholemeal bread per day, or an equivalent amount of cereal fibre from a mixture of wholemeal bread, high-fibre breakfast cereals and wheat bran." ... Grain fiber is a particular class of dietary fiber that has specific characteristics. It's mostly cellulose (like wood; although some grains are rich in soluble fiber as well), and it contains a number of defensive substances and storage molecules that make it more difficult to eat. These may include phytic acid, protease inhibitors, amylase inhibitors, lectins, tannins, saponins, and goitrogens (3). Grain fiber is also a rich source of vitamins and minerals, although the minerals are mostly inaccessible due to grains' high phytic acid content (4, 5, 6). Every plant food (and some animal foods) has its chemical defense strategy, and grains are no different*. It's just that grains are particularly good at it, and also happen to be one of our staple foods in the modern world. If you don't think grains are naturally inedible for humans, try eating a heaping bowl full of dry, raw whole wheat berries. Human Ingenuity to the Rescue Humans are clever creatures, and we've found ways to use grains as a food source, despite not being naturally adapted to eating them**. The most important is our ability to cook. Cooking deactivates many of the harmful substances found in grains and other plant foods. However, some are not deactivated by cooking. These require other strategies to remove or deactivate. Healthy grain-based cultures don't prepare their grains haphazardly. Throughout the world, using a number of different grains, many have arrived at similar strategies for making grains edible and nutritious. The most common approach involves most or all of these steps: Soaking Grinding Removing 50-75% of the bran Sour fermentation Cooking But wait, didn't all healthy traditional cultures eat whole grains? The idea might make us feel warm and fuzzy inside, but it doesn't quite hit the mark. A recent conversation with Ramiel Nagel, author of the book Cure Tooth Decay, disabused me of that notion. He pointed out that in my favorite resource on grain preparation in traditional societies, the Food and Agriculture Organization publication Fermented Cereals: a Global Perspective, many of the recipes call for removing a portion of the bran (7). Some of these recipes probably haven't changed in thousands of years. It's my impression that some traditional cultures eat whole grains, while others eat them partially de-branned."

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/03/grains-as-food-update.html


I guess no one is reading "Keeping Feces Out of Your Bloodstream", so I'd like to highlight a few sections:

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"Some plants, like blueberries or similar fruits, have evolved a strategy of “give a little to get a little.” Critters (us included) eat these fruits, then pass the seeds in a convenient, warm fertilized package that all but guarantees the next generation. Sewage systems aside, this is a reasonable trade off. The critter that eats the blueberries gets a little nutrition in exchange for spreading the blueberry seeds for subsequent generations of blueberries. Other plants take a different approach and try to dissuade all predation by shrouding themselves in nasty substances that are either irritants or outright poisons. Consider poison oak or poison ivy. These plants have developed chemical warfare capabilities and use oils that have a tendency to work their way through the skin of animals that come in contact with the leaves. This oil sets off an alarm that irritates the immune system. Lymphocytes and other white blood cells attack the oil and in the process release pro-inflammatory chemicals that lead to a rash. Keep this idea in mind as we talk about grains, as it will help you to wrap your mind around what is happening when we eat this “staple” food. If we compare grains to the strategies listed above, “give a little, get a little,” like the blueberry, or “bugger off,” like the poison oak, we see that grains are much more like poison oak. If a critter eats a grain, that’s it for the grain. That does not mean that the grain goes down without a fight! Grains are remarkably well equipped for chemical warfare. [jumping way ahead for brevity] Here is a recap of how grains cause malabsorption issues and how that affects our health and well-being: 1. Damage to the gut lining. If the gut is damaged, you do not absorb nutrients. We need healthy villi and microvilli to absorb our nutrients, be they protein, carbohydrates, fats, vitamins, or minerals. 2. Damage to the gall bladder and bile production. If you do not absorb fats and fat soluble nutrients such as vitamins A, D, K, and other nutrients, you will have problems utilizing any minerals you do absorb, to say nothing of the nutrient deficiencies from inadequate essential fats. 3. Phytates tightly bind to metal ions and make them unavailable for absorption. Analytical chemists actually use purified phytates in experiments where it is necessary to quantify the amounts of metal ions like calcium, zinc, or iron in a sample because the phytates bind to these metals tighter than just about any other molecule. The same thing happens when you eat phytates, and this is not a good thing for bone health or iron status. 4. Open door for autoimmunity and cancer. Once the gut lining is damaged, we are at exceptionally high risk of autoimmune disease, such as Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, and several types of cancer, including non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma. The pancreas is assailed by grain-induced inflammation due to CCK problems and elevated insulin levels. This inflammation is a potential cause of pancreatic cancer and pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas). Why does all this happen? Because grains are pissed that you want to eat them and they are willing, and able, to fight back. Here is a short list of the problems associated with leaky gut and the autoimmune response: • Infertility • Type 1 diabetes • Multiple sclerosis • Rheumatoid Arthritis • Lupus • Vitiligo • Narcolepsy • Schizophrenia • Autism • Depression • Huntington’s • Non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma • Hypothyroidism • Porphyria But I’m Not Sick Some of you, however, may think you have no issues here. You have eaten grains, legumes, and dairy your whole life and are “fine.” Well, maybe. But I suspect that is not the case. I’ll bet that if you completely remove these Neolithic foods from your diet for one month, you will notice a dramatic improvement in how you feel and perform. Why? Because if you are consuming these foods, I’ll wager you have gut irritation and other systemic inflammation issues. A recent study looking at children with type 1 diabetes (an autoimmune condition) found that a significant number of them had overt gut pathology, i.e., celiac. Some had a positive antibody test for celiac, but a number of kids were negative on both the WGA antibody test (a common blood test for celiac) and on an intestinal biopsy. So doctors would think there was no gluten influence in their condition. Interestingly, however, nearly all the kids showed antibodies in the deep tissues of the microvilli to . . . transglutaminase."

[Edited on January 2, 2011 at 10:04 AM. Reason : asdf]

1/2/2011 9:46:05 AM

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"ITT, we call eating things we've been eating for hundreds of thousands of years a "fad diet" ITT, we still believe in calories in/calories out: 1200 calories of pure sugar == 1200 calories of whole foods"

I guess this is why myself, and I suspect others, aren't taking you seriously.

[Edited on January 2, 2011 at 10:00 AM. Reason : and ffs, post something other than a paleo diet website for once]

1/2/2011 9:59:19 AM

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"and ffs, post something other than a paleo diet website for once"

I just did.

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"I guess this is why myself, and I suspect others, aren't taking you seriously."

Because ...? Are you saying you actually think 1200 calories of pure sugar == 1200 calories of whole foods? I really am not trying to make a straw man here. I've seen several people point out that you can eat whatever you want for health, all diets are the same, calories are the only thing that matters, etc.

[Edited on January 2, 2011 at 10:15 AM. Reason : d]

1/2/2011 10:11:35 AM

These threads/"discussions" always end up the same way

people are either against paleo

or people who have actually tried it are for it

there's enough research out there to suggest the negative effects of grains and then others that say it's fine

I learned a long time ago not to give a shit when this debate arises. Eat whatever works well for you and I'll do the same (it just so happens to be Paleo)

1/2/2011 10:14:19 AM

I just made the thread because people were genuinely curious.

See, the only thing that aggravates me is that, when it comes to nutrition, people instantly become all around experts. They think they have everything figured out and they haven't lifted a finger to do any research.

Ok, you may think grains are fine after doing the research. But when you come at me with a statement saying that there are no known negative effects of grains, I know you haven't even tried. It's like... have you ever heard of celiac, have you ever heard of gluten intolerance?

1/2/2011 10:17:53 AM

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"Eat whatever works well for you and I'll do the same"

Exactly. The body is amazingly adept at flourishing under any number of diets, something scientists still have trouble pinpointing why. It seems like where we start getting into trouble is when we're eating processed foods.

What is it that Michael Pollan advocates? Stay away from the middle of the supermarket and stick to the edges. Something like that

1/2/2011 12:09:28 PM

Quote :

"See, the only thing that aggravates me is that, when it comes to nutrition, people instantly become all around experts. They think they have everything figured out and they haven't lifted a finger to do any research."

I've had the opposite experience -- I try to read about nutrition, and EVERYONE claims their diet (or fitness routine, or whatever) is the best, and everyone else's is crap.

One person/study/diet says A is good for you.
Another person/study/diet says A is bad for you.
The USDA says that grains should constitute the majority of our diet.
Paleo diet says we shouldn't eat any.
A guy on another message board I'm on says he doesn't cook his food due to it hurting enzymes and killing beneficial nutrients, so he eats everything raw.
Me -- I love cooking.

See what I'm saying?


How the crap is anyone supposed to find any good advice with everyone putting out conflicting information?

1/2/2011 12:22:20 PM

^ everything will kill you. I'm afraid to eat most foods based on conflicting research. Which also contributes to research that eleusis referenced: low-cal diets are linked to longevity. High metabolism means shorter cell life.

1/2/2011 12:38:58 PM

I JUST LIVE

1/2/2011 1:30:44 PM

EuroTitToss, I might be the only skeptic who is taking you seriously, and is starting to question grains. I have some questions for you, though.

You pointed out the negative effects of grains on our GI health. Most of those effects seem to be caused by gluten and/or insoluble fiber. So what about grains that do not have gluten, or in much smaller amounts than say wheat, and also contain lots of soluble fiber as opposed to just insoluble fiber.

Oats
Amaranth (actually a seed, like quinoa)
Millet
Quinoa (saponins can be and are removed by washing)
Sorghum
Teff
Buckwheat (also a seed)
Wild rice
Brown/red/black/purple rice
(Also, beans and lentils, they have no gluten, and contain soluble fiber)

Many grains and beans also contain potent and beneficial anti-oxidants and other nutrients. And soluble fiber and other compounds have been shown to be beneficial for a variety of reasons, not least of which is reducing LDL. So they seem to have a mix of beneficial and harmful compounds.

Anyway, yeah, so what about grains/beans/lentils which have no gluten and also contain soluble fiber? Any studies on any of those grains which show harmful effects on the GI system?

I am slowly getting converted, I think. I have suffered from a weird GI system most of my life, and I think I would like to try going without grains, even if for a week, to see if there any noticeable positive effects.

Problem is, I get constipated easily if I don't keep my fiber intake fairly high, and I rely on oats (as porridge), oat bran, and whole wheat pitas to maintain my fiber level, along with fruits and vegetables, but fruits and vegetables don't have as much fiber as grains and beans and lentils.

Another problem, the bigger one, is that we buy and cook meat/chicken/fish only about once a month. Our staple is whole wheat pasta, with chickpeas and canned tuna. We rely mostly on beans, lentils, canned tuna/sardines, cheese, and yogurt for our protein intake. Buying and cooking fresh animal flesh definitely consumes more time (and money). Not worried about the money part actually, but the time. It would mean making shopping trips 2-3 times a week, as opposed to 2-3 times a month. And then the cooking part as well, which requires more time and forethought and planning.

I do want to try it though. I guess I could take a fiber supplement daily to ensure that I get enough fiber.

So, if you could answer my question about grains/beans/lentils, I would appreciate it. For example, if oats are only 20% as harmful as wheat, I can eliminate wheat but keep oats, so at least I could have oats for breakfast, because otherwise, I have no idea what I will eat for breakfast, eggs, veggies, and fruit?

P.S. Grains which have been soaked for a while, sprouted, or fermented avoid all the problems you mentioned with grains. So what do you think of going that route? (harder to implement, but at least the option of consuming them would be there, if they don't cause problems for the GI system)

1/2/2011 1:32:39 PM

^ Buy a chest freezer and keep the meat in the freezer. Shopping frequency problem solved (as long as you use the meat within 2-3 months )

1/2/2011 1:48:28 PM

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"Problem is, I get constipated easily if I don't keep my fiber intake fairly high, and I rely on oats (as porridge), oat bran, and whole wheat pitas to maintain my fiber level, along with fruits and vegetables, but fruits and vegetables don't have as much fiber as grains and beans and lentils."

I don't think this is true isocalorically. The problem is that vegetables are not very calorically dense, so you may need to just eat a shitton of vegetables if you think you need that much fiber.

I'm no expert and all I'd be doing to answer your question in depth is googling some shit. What I can say is I think gluten elimination should be your top priority. I've heard that across the board from so many sources (paleo and mainstream). This month would be a great time to start
http://www.glutenfreejan.com/

Still, certain people can be sensitive to other grains. The problem stems from the fact that we are trying to eat/destroy a plant's reproductive organ. So many of these various grains or grain like plants are going to respond predictably with toxins. The reason we look at animals less suspiciously as food is that they don't necessarily need to resort to chemical warfare to survive: they can run!

I posted a few things from Whole Health Source. The guy who runs that is def not paleo. He advocates grains as long as they are properly prepared and he describes the methods. If your main concern is time, though, I don't see why soaking grains overnight or fermenting them would be a viable option. I still would say that, calorie for calorie, you could do better.

Legumes? I'm not so sure. I'd say those are like a low priority item to remove on paleo. They certainly seem to have a good deal of nutrients. However, the fact that certain legumes are toxic raw should cause you to be cautious at the very least.

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"The USDA says that grains should constitute the majority of our diet."

If you take nothing else away from this thread, remember that the government is the very last place you should be looking for nutritional advice. If you want a good read on that, try Good Calories, Bad Calories. It talks about how the last 30 years of low fat dogma was predicated on crap science and politics. It'll also go pretty far in explaining the confusion everyone experiences.

1/2/2011 2:35:17 PM

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"If you take nothing else away from this thread, remember that the government is the very last place you should be looking for nutritional advice."

There, I fixed it for you.

I was just using it as an example of confusing nutritional guidelines.

I'm not one to read HuffPo, but someone linked me to this article and I thought it was quite interesting.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/justin-stoneman/post_868_b_720398.html

1/2/2011 2:57:44 PM

Here's my advice for anyone who is willing to invest 30 days

eat strict paleo, to the letter, for 30 days

after that 30 days of clean eating, introduce ONE thing back into your diet that you're questioning and see how it makes you feel. You'll find out really fast how it affects YOU. I've done this with dairy AND grains....dairy didn't bother me at all, so I still consume it. Grains made me feel like shit...lazy, tired etc. That's not the effect I want food to have one me. It should increase my energy, not make me tired. This is much more apparent with grains that contain gluten.

1/2/2011 5:32:59 PM

sounds like a great idea... i will definitely try it. i have a week off at the end of january. since i will be home, i will have time to research more, think about what to buy, what to cook, what to have for breakfast, etc.

and once i have it going for a few weeks, then i can reintroduce oats and see what happens. and then yogurt and cheese. and then finally whole wheat products.

thanks for the simple (but at the same time, so simple that i didn't think of it) idea.

btw, potatoes and sweet potatoes are allowed, right?

and is there some 'official' paleo diet site that lists the exact foods allowed/not allowed. i realize this is not a commercially created diet (like atkins, south beach, etc), so there might not be such a page, but i am sure there must be some 'official' organization or some such.

hopefully this will clear up my GI issues and too much nose mucus and post-nasal drip issues. (as well as the massive lethargy i suffer from the majority of my awake time)

thanks again.

1/2/2011 5:55:56 PM

food list:

http://paleodietlifestyle.com/paleo-diet-food-list/

sweet potatoes are generally acceptable, regular potatoes are not. Sweet potatoes are also much more nutrient dense and lower on the glycemic index. They are both nightshades though, which are inflammatory agents in some people. This is another one of those things you might want to ditch for 30 days and then reintroduce.

1/2/2011 6:12:02 PM

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"This diet has a different definition than others: most foods invented in the last 10,000 years are unhealthy. Do you want to disagree or not?"

diet coke

1/2/2011 6:42:06 PM

you think diet coke is healthy?

ha!

1/2/2011 6:45:56 PM

and delicious

1/2/2011 6:57:47 PM

NO CALORIES

1/2/2011 7:05:41 PM

artificial sweetener...

[Edited on January 2, 2011 at 7:10 PM. Reason : ]

1/2/2011 7:09:58 PM

you have a problem with artificial sweeteners?

At this rate, people on the paleolithic diet will be calling me unhealthy for taking multivitamins and fiber pills.

1/2/2011 9:00:41 PM

^ you will die without vitamins and without fiber.

but lack of artificial (or natural) sweeteners in your diet will have no negative effect on your body.

whether you agree with the alleged negative effects of artificial sweeteners or not, point is, they are artificial. aside from all the food restrictions, the main thing about it (paleo) is that no artificial foods/chemicals are allowed.

1/2/2011 9:17:19 PM

looking at the list of foods you can eat, I pretty much eat this way already.

may give this a try.

1/2/2011 9:37:50 PM

I don't personally have an issue with artificial sweeteners

however, it's a far stretch to call them or any product with them "healthy"

1/2/2011 9:45:25 PM

so where do you guys buy most of your meat if it's pasture fed and how much more expensive would you say it is?

1/3/2011 11:48:37 AM

^ I buy almost all of my meat at the farmers' market. There are several farms that sell their meat there that is pasture raised, antibiotic-free, etc. Off the top of my head here are four of the farms that I regularly go to:

http://www.rmfpasturepuremeats.com/Newsletter.htm
http://maefarmmeats.com/
http://wellsporkandbeef.com/index.php/what-makes-wells-pork-and-beef-different/
http://intheredfarm.net/

As far as price goes, check out those websites and it will give you a good idea. Also, I tend to buy a lot of cuts that most people don't bother with, like the pig ear, etc. Good eatin' and because most people don't buy them you can get them for cheap!

[Edited on January 3, 2011 at 1:01 PM. Reason : a]

1/3/2011 1:00:04 PM

I came in here to post that Arab13 already did this, but he beat me to it.

That is all.

1/3/2011 2:55:01 PM

I just went back and read the old thread. And damn.

People were making some irrational, illogical, and meandering arguments against paleo 2 years ago. You see the same damn arguments in this thread... even though they've been addressed repeatedly. Some serious cognitive dissonance up in this shit.

1/3/2011 3:38:54 PM