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"You have the right to approach someone and inquire as to what they are doing. "

With a loaded gun? Sure, you have the right, but its fucking stupid. Leave that shit to the cops. This guy "instigated" (notice I didn't say escalate, and never have) the situation.

Defend yourself in your house, but don't be a fucking dumbass in public. I hope this guy gets plenty of years behind bars.

3/9/2012 10:10:34 AM

3/9/2012 10:10:49 AM

^^no. it's not like the guy was holding the firearm in his hand. He was probably CCing. And the other guy initiated contact (per the police's statement).

People have been carrying firearms and approaching suspicious people for a long time, many ending up in self defense shooting, which have been upheld and not whined about. You're butthurt over this because it was a sad misunderstanding that when horribly wrong and was between white/black and the race card was immediately pulled out.

Look, if this guy actually started the confrontation, if he escalated it, or if he just whacked the guy for being suspicious, then he should go to jail. But if he just followed the guy, then was approached by the guy, then assaulted by the guy, then he was more than likely in his legal right to use lethal force.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:17 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:13:27 AM

IF ONLY THIS BRAVE ARMED MAN HAD LIVED IN OHIO HE COULD HAVE PREVENTED A SCHOOL SHOOTING

3/9/2012 10:17:33 AM

honestly, if this guy doesn't serve serious jail time, i would like to see some serious travesty befall him and his family in his lifetime, so that he can understand the pain he put others through.

there is no justifiable argument as to why the kid should have been shot. should you be allowed to shoot anyone with whom you've entered a fight? to me it sounds like the officer felt like the kid was kicking his ass and was going to get away (like they always do)

3/9/2012 10:17:43 AM

SKITTLES CAN KILL

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"But if he just followed the guy, then was approached by the guy, then assaulted by the guy, then he was more than likely in his legal right to use lethal force."

He's going to have to show that deadly force was necessary. You can defend yourself in a fist fight with appropriate force...but not a fucking gun. We obviously don't know all the facts, but from what's been told to us already, I can't imagine that they are going to find that using a firearm was necessary.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:19 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:17:50 AM

^^^and the ignorant rhetoric comes out!

^^well, if the kid was beating the shit out of him and he feared for his life, then he was justified. That is a legally defensible situation and happens. No, you can't just shoot anyone you get in a fight with, there are boundaries.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:19 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:19 AM. Reason : ^^^]

3/9/2012 10:17:58 AM

Cops are stupid and violent thugs


Only cops should have guns.

3/9/2012 10:20:06 AM

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"To me, it sounds like the guy was following the other guy (which is not escalating) and the other guy approached/initiated contact first."

Yeah, because you have one side of the story... the side of the story from the guy that's doing his best to not get charged with murder.

3/9/2012 10:20:43 AM

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" You're butthurt over this because it was a sad misunderstanding that when horribly wrong and was between white/black and the race card was immediately pulled out."

Maybe that is what you are focusing on, but what I am upset about is a grown man stalked a minor and killed him because he didn't want to get shit from the over zealous community watch captain.

You would think he would try to be more familiar with the families that lived in the community as to identify who belongs and who doesn't before harassing them.

3/9/2012 10:20:46 AM

^^^haha, it seems like the same people argue both points.

^^well, we have to go on what is known, not what conspiracy that you want to create.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:21 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:20:58 AM

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"People have been carrying firearms and approaching suspicious people for a long time, many ending up in self defense shooting, which have been upheld and not whined about. You're butthurt over this because it was a sad misunderstanding that when horribly wrong and was between white/black and the race card was immediately pulled out."

3/9/2012 10:21:12 AM

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"well, if the kid was beating the shit out of him and he feared for his life, then he was justified."

Again...we don't know the facts, but it sure doesn't sound like that happened. If he was hurt badly, you think they would have mentioned that in the first couple articles.

Hopefully he goes to jail and gets raped by a bunch of black dudes for being a racist killer.

3/9/2012 10:21:12 AM

3/9/2012 10:22:41 AM

I think there are plenty of ways this situation could have played out without a kid getting shot to death. I think that if I were this kid's parents, I would certainly want to know why this man thought it was appropriate to take my son's life.

Reading what was posted above, I am also left wondering how the situation lept from "what's your problem?" to "i need to shoot this guy".

3/9/2012 10:22:55 AM

^^^again, at least I will only comment about the known facts, not what you want to think up. Hopefully the investigation will turn over more facts, and if they point to an unjustified shooting, then yes, this guy goes to jail. UNTIL THEN, we can only go on what is known; like it or not.

^agreed; any time a self defense shooting happens, it is sad and not a good thing. However, based on the current facts, the guy was attacked and legally used self defense.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:23 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:22:57 AM

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"well, we have to go on what is known, not what conspiracy that you want to create. "

You seem to be intent with inventing conspiracies of your own. Now the guy was getting beat in a fist fight that led to him shooting the guy out of fear for his life... ok, where's the guy's injuries? No injuries = jail.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:25 AM. Reason : -]

3/9/2012 10:23:16 AM

whole lotta speculation goin on ITT

3/9/2012 10:23:59 AM

he killed a kid in his neighborhood that lived in his neighborhood. how are you going to say that this reaction would not happen if a different race were involved.


he killed a kid that lived there.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM. Reason : he should be in jail, all I am saying, no bail]

3/9/2012 10:24:19 AM

^^^the report says there was a physical confrontation. And based on the statement that the guy was justified in using lethal force, that means the kid started the fight. Give me evidence otherwise, and I'll argue for a murder charge. Point out where I created a conspiracy?

^do you know everyone that lives in your neighborhood? I sure as hell don't.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:25 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:25 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:24:54 AM

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"at least I will only comment about the known facts, not what you want to think up."

You're making up just as many "facts" or "situations" as everybody else. I see your stance...we just tend to disagree. You think it's okay to approach someone that you think is sketchy, I think it's retarded and ends up getting people shot. What happened in this situation? Alright. Agree to disagree.

3/9/2012 10:25:47 AM

Again, where did I make something up?

3/9/2012 10:26:06 AM

"There was a physical confrontation" does not mean that the kid started the fight. In fact I'd have bias toward the guy that is aggressive enough to stalk someone and then use lethal force as the likely initiator of the physical confrontation.

Meh. Not enough is known.

3/9/2012 10:28:09 AM

anybody in here ever been in a fight with a 17 yo football player?

just wonderin...



and ALL 26 yo's with guns make rational decisions. especially when they have a little bit of authority.

every time.

3/9/2012 10:28:40 AM

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"the report says there was a physical confrontation. And based on the statement that the guy was justified in using lethal force, that means the kid started the fight. "

Nowhere does it say the guy was justified in using lethal force. It says he used it in self-defense. And nowhere does it say who started the fight. Quit making shit up.

And this is pretty telling as well:

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"In the recording, Zimmerman said "They always get away,""

Another fucking hero with a gun...

3/9/2012 10:29:13 AM

I can see why wdprice3 would side with the killer.

birds of a feather and all that.

3/9/2012 10:29:53 AM

^^Well, the fact that the cop said the story was correct and the guy wasn't charged directly implies that he was justified, which also implies that he didn't start the fight. Otherwise he would have been charged. That's not making things up; that's based on facts and on how most self defense laws work.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:30 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:30:03 AM

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"^do you know everyone that lives in your neighborhood? I sure as hell don't."

I also don't patrol my neighborhood in a car with a loaded gun. If you are so vigilant about protecting your neighborhood then maybe you should know the people you are supposedly protecting.

He could have had an unloaded gun and scared the unarmed kid too.

3/9/2012 10:30:33 AM

IS IT RHETORIC IF IT'S TRUE?

congratulations, you've put yourself in a place where you are jumping to the defense of someone who shot and killed an unarmed person. if you're wondering where the bottom is, you're damn near it.

3/9/2012 10:31:26 AM

^^an unloaded gun? ahahahaha GTFO with that shit
^trollsohard.

And people use lethal force against unarmed persons all the time. It is legally justifiable. Learn something.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:32 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:31:28 AM

I also don't patrol my neighborhood in a car with a loaded gun. If you are so vigilant about protecting your neighborhood then maybe you should know the people you are supposedly protecting.

Personally, if I was in that neighborhood, I would be more afraid of the guys with a loaded gun driving around my neighborhood every night

quite trolling

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:34 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:32:38 AM

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"Well, the fact that the cop said the story was correct and the guy wasn't charged directly implies that he was justified, which also implies that he didn't start the fight"

No...it means they have one side to the story and no witnesses. It's a continuing investigation. They haven't concluded anything.

God you're annoying.

3/9/2012 10:32:52 AM

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"George Zimmerman is a college student majoring in criminal justice."

Of course he is.


[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:40 AM. Reason : ]

3/9/2012 10:33:10 AM

Was he "patrolling" or just riding down the street?
^^are you that dense? I said based on the known facts. I also said, I hope more information comes out and if it's against this guy, then he should go to jail. Do you want to wait until the investigation is over? Fine, then lock this thread and everyone shut up about it and don't argue one way or the other. I didn't create this thread or the discussion.


so we can't discuss current events that aren't set in stone yet? might as well close down all discussion boards.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:34 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:35 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:33:15 AM

^^ Haha...that's hilarious. Probably thought he could put it on his resume/application to be a cop. What a fucking idiot. Hope he rots in jail.

3/9/2012 10:34:21 AM

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"I said based on the known facts. Do you want to wait until the investigation is over?"

No...I'm actually talking about the "known facts." Known facts aren't what some kid tells the cops once he knows he's fucked.

3/9/2012 10:35:38 AM

Well, it's what the cops have reported thus far, what else do we have to go on?

I get it. You're an anti-firearms, racecard loving person and no matter what, self defense shooting is wrong.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:37 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:36:23 AM

^ 911 call about the white, fully loaded, wanna-be-cop following the black kid in a neighborhood with a pack of skittles and iced tea??

3/9/2012 10:38:06 AM

^^you want it sooo bad.

just another dead thug, right?

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:38 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:38:35 AM

^^keep going...
^trollsohard. If you weren't trolling and actually read my posts you'd know that's not my position.


In fact, I often defend these "thugs" (your word, you racist) and their right to self defense or in other legal situations.

For example, I think it's a shame that the media, population, and NFL rail football players for legally carrying firearms. It's absurd.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:41 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:39:46 AM

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/137359-sanford-fl-teen-shot-chl-holder.html

Ha these guys are hilarious. Coming up with all sorts of scenarios to justify the shooting.

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"There will be two sides to this story eventually. It seems like a confrontation gone wrong. Who's fault, we may never know. Like I said, could be a nervous "Hood Watch" type confronting a "suspicious" person wearing a Hoodie, they argued, fought and one ends up shot and killed. I bet there have been a bunch of home invasions in that place to warrant a watch of the area. Hoodies have become somewhat of a "uniform" for people doing bad things, unfortunately. Recently there was a kid wearing one on a very warm day lurking around our church. Scared the crap out of our secretery so bad, she ran out to the avenue away from the church in fear. There was not reason for him to be wearing one that day, especially when it was covering his head. "

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"I like to think of my fellow concealed carriers as being of a similar personality as my own and more responsible than the average public. Whenever I read or hear of a concealed carrier doing a shoot and being charged; I always like to try to find as much information as I can to determine for myself whether it was justified. Sometimes it is very hard with only the media reports available. "

3/9/2012 10:40:55 AM

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"I get it. You're an anti-firearms, racecard loving person and no matter what, self defense shooting is wrong."

that is a big leap to make.

I am a strong proponent for the 2nd amendment, am sick of any preferential treatment toward any category of people, and self defense is a real thing (but you can't just say it was self defense when nothing can explain why you shot a minor walking down the road)

if the guy had never decided to get out of his car, the kid would be alive. end of story, I am not saying he did it because the kid was black, but this man killed a kid.

3/9/2012 10:41:10 AM

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"^^keep going..."

Those are the only real facts to go on at this point. You have any more shit you want to make up about deadly force?

3/9/2012 10:41:13 AM

^^he didn't just shoot someone walking down the street. There was a physical confrontation.
^you are choosing only parts of the story.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:42 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:41:53 AM

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"also carry orange or grape drink. Double your chances of survival."

hahahahahahaahhaahahah

3/9/2012 10:42:35 AM

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" Well, the fact that the cop said the story was correct and the guy wasn't charged directly implies that he was justified, which also implies that he didn't start the fight."

The police are not making a determination of guilt, and it is impossible to draw a meaningful conclusion from their police report. that's the role of investigators and the judicial system.

Probably why it's not a good idea in the first place to play police/judge/jury/mercinary/executioner youself.

3/9/2012 10:44:01 AM

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"There was a physical confrontation"

after he got out of the car, he can call the cops and just watch the fucking kid until they show up, there was no danger other than a suspicious person 'getting away'.

3/9/2012 10:44:15 AM

I'm going to make up some backstory, since there is none:

George Zimmerman knew about the dozens of burglaries over the last year happening in his neighborhood. No one was ever caught, just reports of two young black men leaving the scene of the crime. As soon as anyone would call the police, the burglars would get away. They always get away.

George was on his way back from visiting his elderly grandmother in a nearby nursing home when he saw a young black man walking along a neighborhood road. He called the police and advised them of a suspicious person but they told him to ignore him and not to follow him - to go home and lock his door and the Police would handle it. Knowing what happens when the Police arrive 15 minutes later from previous calls, George pulled the car over and asked the suspicious man if he lived in the neighborhood. The young man kept walking, ignoring George. George again asked "Hey buddy, do you live in this neighborhood?".

The young man turned around and hit George in the face, knocking him to the ground. Before George knew what was happening, the man was on top of George and a scuffle ensued. George always carried a gun with him for self protection, and it had come dislodged from it's holster during the scuffle - both men saw the gun on the ground at the same time and both went after it. Wrestling over the gun, it went off, striking the 17 year old in the chest.

See how awesome it is to make up parts of the story we don't know?

3/9/2012 10:44:24 AM

as soon as he got out of his car, he escalated the situation.

3/9/2012 10:44:51 AM

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"The police are not making a determination of guilt, and it is impossible to draw a meaningful conclusion from their police report. that's the role of investigators and the judicial system. Probably why it's not a good idea in the first place to play police/judge/jury/mercinary/executioner youself."

So far they haven't charged him and said his story checks out, SO FAR. Which is what I'm talking about. When the investigation is over I'll be happy to post on those updates. And I am playing none of those roles.

Approaching someone is not escalation. Sorry, it just isn't.

Innocent until proven guilty, right? Sounds like most of you are assuming guilt. if you want to talk about the investigation still being underway.... and you argue for guilt now, I can argue for not guilty now.

[Edited on March 9, 2012 at 10:49 AM. Reason : .]

3/9/2012 10:46:20 AM