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"I want to see us: - finish in the top 4 of the ACC regular season standings - compete for the ACC tourney title - win a few postseason games, hopefully in the NCAA tourney"

find a time machine and go back about 5 years

[Edited on April 29, 2010 at 10:01 PM. Reason : or possibly forward 1 year]

4/29/2010 10:01:04 PM

^ b/c i'm the anti-herb, i have to point out that he never put together a season with those 3 things like you seem to be implying.

2006: lost our first game in the acc tournament and won one game in the ncaa tournament
2005: finished tied for 6th in the regular season
2004: won one game in the ncaa tournament
2003: won zero games in the ncaa tournament
2002: won one game in the ncaa tournament

4/29/2010 10:34:57 PM

you wanna do all those in the same season??!

[Edited on April 29, 2010 at 11:08 PM. Reason : damn you got some high expectations ]

4/29/2010 11:07:55 PM

lol @ qf trollin for Herb

What is the world coming to

4/29/2010 11:09:11 PM

Quote :

"For Boozie: It is interesting that some of the best players in the nation think that Sidney Lowe is a good coach isn't it? I mean they are putting their futures in his hands aren't they? Oh wait I guess they have no "basketball knowledge" right?"

I'll take shit from people that know sports but not you adder. I'm on Sid's side and you are still riding my case?

FYI Sid hasn't won anything yet...wait until it happens please.

[Edited on April 30, 2010 at 2:24 AM. Reason : counting chickens before they hatch]

4/30/2010 2:23:31 AM

Has this been posted yet

Quote :

"For a minute there, Sidney Lowe's job was hanging in the balance. NC State athletic director Lee Fowler was faced with an unfortunate decision. Folwer could either fire Sidney Lowe based on Lowe's first four years, in which the Wolfpack experienced almost no success, or Fowler could keep Lowe around long enough for the coach to welcome his first impressive recruiting class and the sudden promise of immediate success. "

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/11088/lowe-gets-reprieve-with-star-studded-class

I'm convinced these guys at ESPN just make up shit as they go along

[Edited on April 30, 2010 at 9:38 AM. Reason : they also misspelled Fowler]

4/30/2010 9:37:26 AM

yeah i saw that.

has this been posted? it's barely news but on the main sidebar on espn's college basketball page.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2010/news/story?id=5148456

[Edited on April 30, 2010 at 9:40 AM. Reason : i mean i know it's been discussed, but has it been posted how silly it is that espn ran that article]

4/30/2010 9:39:38 AM

Well it is true that they contemplated firing him becasue of all his legal issues with women, but that doesn't seem to be the angle ESPN is implying.

I think that would have been bullshit, I don't think your personal life should affect your job like that unless its serious like arrests and stuff...

Not just crazy bitches looking to make a buck off successful men.

4/30/2010 10:04:48 PM

Quote :

"I'll take shit from people that know sports but not you adder. I'm on Sid's side and you are still riding my case? FYI Sid hasn't won anything yet...wait until it happens please."

You are as bad as a Carolina fan except you aren't even waiting until Lowe starts winning to change your tune...
So apparently these top tier recruits who trust Sid with their future don't know anything about basketball either? Oh wait you are ignoring that aren't you.
Where did I say Sid had won anything yet? In fact if you look I was already attempting to temper some ridiculous expectations. Oh but wait we are ignoring that too. Boozie Basketball Knowledge 101 I guess...
^ Where did you hear they were thinking about firing him because of his problems with gold-diggers?

5/1/2010 8:42:18 AM

Yep just attended every home game for like 5 years now. I only support winners!

Good recruits doesn't always = success.

5/1/2010 11:30:52 PM

our chances at winning are better w/ good recruits than bad recruits though.

5/1/2010 11:34:09 PM

I mean big success. To read through the recruiting thread, you would think we are going to be ACC favorites this coming year. Whatever I am still looking forward to football season even if we are without Bryan, Vermiglio, Sweezy, and Kuhn for a bit. No expectations for football might be good for once.

5/1/2010 11:43:19 PM

you being a herb fan, i am interested in your definition of "big success".

5/1/2010 11:53:34 PM

Quote :

"I mean big success. To read through the recruiting thread, you would think we are going to be ACC favorites this coming year. Whatever I am still looking forward to football season even if we are without Bryan, Vermiglio, Sweezy, and Kuhn for a bit. No expectations for football might be good for once."

5/2/2010 1:10:13 AM

packboozie is the biggest fucking tool in sports talk, as he models his personality after herb sendek. Apply your mambagrl policy to him.

5/2/2010 11:15:05 AM

HE HAS SEASON TICKETS

5/2/2010 11:34:13 AM

^^Haha such a comedian! I'm a tool just like that Brad Stevens faggot ass coach. His teams will never amount to shit with that style of play!

5/2/2010 11:05:36 PM

Has the insider article from ESPN.com about Lowe been posted somewhere? I wanted to read it, it is under the College Basketball homepage. Somebody let me know what thread it is in if I missed it.

5/3/2010 10:02:54 AM

I really believe that landing CJ Leslie is the final proof that we've reached the turning point for NC State basketball.

I don't think we'll win the ACC, make the final four, or even definitively finish in the top 25 next year.

Leslie certainly isn't Greg Oden or Kevin Durant.

He's probably not Kevin Love or Brandan Wright.

But we just went toe to toe with Kentucky/Calipari in a year where they produced 5 future NBA'ers and won.

That's proof that we are on the national scene now.

We are going to be on national television, our results will get attention, and recruits will look at NC State as a place they hope to get a mailing from let alone an official offer.

The actual results on the floor NEXT season aren't as important as the track we're on now. If they underachieve and go 8-8 and get an 11 seed and lose in the first round of the ACC and NCAA tournament it would be a HUGE mistake to turn your back on Lowe now.

The guy has rallied the program from the fucking dead.

Look at it like you would a stock. Don't base it on it's current earnings, base it on it's forward earnings.

I think we'll have a great season, I'm definitely not trying to downplay our expectations. I just think when the time comes there will be a lot of haters who will try to place the blame for every close loss at Sid's feet. The anti-crowd will find a way to get their point across no matter how irrational.

And again they will be wrong in the end.

5/3/2010 7:51:31 PM

i agree, was thinking the other day that i cant remember state ever winning a head to head recruiting battle with the likes of calipari

herb won against boeheim but thats not the same as calipari

good stuff

5/3/2010 8:55:03 PM

Anyone know why we don't seem to recruit New York or the NE at all? We obviously have before with Hodge and Grant.

5/3/2010 9:11:55 PM

^^^ well said. My expectations for the coming season are very low right now, not because I don't think our team can be good. One game at a time. As a fan I have to see it to believe it, not just look at the paper.

But Sid is under huge pressure 'cause there's really no excuse for him.

Go Sid, go Pack!

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 9:19 PM. Reason : asd]

5/3/2010 9:18:19 PM

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"Anyone know why we don't seem to recruit New York or the NE at all?"

Doesn't seem like we really need to with all the basketball talent in NC, and with Lowe's connections in GA.

5/3/2010 9:22:44 PM

^ plus it seems like the ratio of talent to elite teams in the area is much lower for the NE. Even with Duke and Carolina next door...in the NE you have UCONN, Pitt, Georgetown, West Virginia, Maryland to some extent...who am I not thinking of...

5/3/2010 9:26:06 PM

^^^^^^troll

[Edited on May 3, 2010 at 9:30 PM. Reason : Rally's post]

5/3/2010 9:30:22 PM

^^Syracuse

5/3/2010 9:45:45 PM

Fair enough I guess

5/3/2010 10:05:24 PM

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/features/rumors#1965

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"Can Lowe build a contender? 7:24 AM ETNorth Carolina State Wolfpack Top Email My, how quickly things change in Raleigh. Shortly after C.J. Leslie's announcement that he is headed to N.C. State, Tracy Smith declared himself eligible for the NBA draft. Regardless, it throws a temporary monkey wrench into this fantasy lineup for the Wolfpack: Leslie, Smith, Ryan Harrow, Javier Gonzalez and Scott Wood. The Pack's other inside options, 7-foot-1 Aussie Jordan Vandenberg and fellow rising soph DeShawn Painter, are decidedly not ready for prime time. NC State fans had better hope Smith gets some notes for improvement and then high-tails it back to college. "Now comes the hard part for Lowe and his staff - finding a way to mesh all that talent into a cohesive unit capable of winning games and getting back to the NCAA tournament for the first time since 2006." reported a recent article on ACC Insider. Can Lowe win in the ACC with Smith missing from that starting five? One would think that, even without him, the lineup is good enough for an NCAA tournament bid. As Paul Hewitt can tell you, however, a highly-anticipated recruiting class does not mean an easy stroll through Selection Sunday. Landing Leslie means that the Wolfpack should immediately be considered a contender in the ACC next season (and will likely be ranked in the top half of the conference in most preseason publications). Doug Gottlieb Smith unlikely to bolt early. "Tracy Smith, Jr., NC State: He had a good, solid year, but he is no J.J. Hickson. Plus, it seems as though next season could be the start of something special in Raleigh. Smith's mother and Sidney Lowe have given an indication he'll be back. Good decision.""

5/4/2010 12:02:01 AM

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"What I am willing to bet on is his ability to recruit at a high level and put together a team that can make NC State a team with ACC and NCAA championship potential."

Signed.

5/4/2010 1:17:05 AM

you're uhm... 20 pages late.

5/4/2010 1:53:55 AM

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"Anyone know why we don't seem to recruit New York or the NE at all? We obviously have before with Hodge and Grant."

FWIW we have recruited NY a little. We were somewhat involved with Tobias Harris, and we're involved with his brother or cousin or whatever. We're also involved with a kid in the 2012 class from NY I believe.

5/4/2010 2:24:38 AM

RASHAD GREEN

He'd be a senior this year.

5/4/2010 3:17:13 AM

Sucking in basketball is one of the major reasons Fowler is out as AD.

I think we can all rally around Sid's ability to recruit and ability to suck enough to get our AD fired.

5/5/2010 10:48:18 AM

Quote :

"The actual results on the floor NEXT season aren't as important as the track we're on now. If they underachieve and go 8-8 and get an 11 seed and lose in the first round of the ACC and NCAA tournament it would be a HUGE mistake to turn your back on Lowe now."

I'd say this is a bare minimum pre-requisite for Sidney Lowe to keep his job. We don't need to finish top 5 in the ACC or be ranked in the top 25 (although, we should), but making the tournament is an absolute must for, as you say, a team on the national scene. If everyone stays healthy, he quite literally has no more excuses. Same goes for Tom O'Brien to be quite honest, although I'd say his bar is a little higher than 6-6 and a crappy bowl.

5/5/2010 11:49:15 AM

well good luck expecting TOB to go from 5-7 to something you deem appropriate with how young our secondary is

[Edited on May 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM. Reason : but i suppose thats a comment more appropriate for another thread]

5/5/2010 12:59:52 PM

Stolen from PP, N.C. State's Lowe sets bar high

http://www.hpe.com/pages/full_story/push?article-N-C-%20State-s%20Lowe%20sets%20bar%20high%20&id=7299189&instance=homesports

5/5/2010 4:21:26 PM

After reading that article it got me thinking

It may not show itself the first couple of games, but if we could actually establish ourselves as a running team, it should great help out on the defensive glass and really cut down on all the 2nd chance points we've given up the last 4 years. Teams will have to be consciously thinking of getting back because of the pressure. It should also not allow teams to full court press with any reliability having good ballhandlers out there all the time. Man, haven't been this excited for bball since JH's senior season.

5/5/2010 9:00:28 PM

I posted this in the lineups thread, but this thread needed a bump. Man, how stupid do the haters in this thread look now that we're rolling.

PG: Javi
SG: Brown
SF: Wood
PF: Leslie
C: Smith

That lineup gives us three perimeter threats to surround Tracy with so he has more room to operate in the post. Regardless of what Lowe has said about moving Tracy to the 4, we are best served with Tracy playing with his back to the basket. The ACC lost a LOT of size this offseason, and he should be deadly on the block this year.

Playing Leslie at the 4 enables him to really roam and get putbacks and dropoffs from Tracy without having to waste plays with his inevitable turnovers if we run the offense through him. I like bringing Howell off the bench because he's a bit foul prone and I think he can come in against weaker front lines and really dominate with physical play and rebounding. If he plays the 4 and we bring CJL off the bench it's really no big deal, I just feel like Howell is better suited coming off the bench rather than picking up early touch fouls that ACC refs like to dole out.

Harrow can provide penetration and create offense on his own so I think he's a better fit this season with CJ Williams and our second unit. Brown should complement Javi better and take a lot of pressure off him from trying to do too much. I don't like the idea of playing Harrow/Brown together in the backcourt too much this year until they get more experience.

There is no reason for us to sit Scott Wood by playing CJL at the three, he should have many more open looks this year and his defense was a bright spot for us last year. He should not have to play as many minutes this year and hopefully that will help lift his shooting percentages. Also, CJL seems like the kind of player that tries to do too much with the ball in his hands so I don't want him handling the ball or taking perimeter jumpers while defenses collapse on Tracy. He will wreck our spacing if he plays the 3 in my opinion.

Painter will play a limited role next year simply because we have three versatile post players ahead of him in the rotation and we can't afford not to maximize their minutes. I think Painter will develop into a solid post player and find plenty of minutes the following year when Tracy and potentially CJL are gone. He's really terrific at defensive rotations and he showed some flashes of good post moves last year in limited opportunities at the end of season.

Vandenburg needs to really focus on improving his athleticism and developing a reliable move or short jumper that he can go to. We probably won't have much use for him this season, but if he can become a shot blocking/rebounding presence (think Zoubeck-lite) for his Jr/Sr seasons he could make an impact and find some quality playing time.

Losing Mays is obviously addition by subtraction and will help clear minutes for more talented and effective guards. I would have liked to keep Josh Davis as I think he's a guy that helps us against midmajor type schools and can make a few hustle plays in a pinch against ACC caliber competition. Ultimately, we're better off having his scholarship for a blue chipper while we're hot in recruiting, but I don't think his defection makes us better next season. Johnny Thomas could have provided us some depth at the forward spot, and may have seen quality minutes the following year. His defection hurts us more from a leadership standpoint than a roster hole though since we have so much depth in the frontcourt.

It would be awesome if CJL was able to effectively play the 3 and we could run a frontline of CJL, Howell, and Tracy at teams with Javi/Harrow in the backcourt paired with Brown but I don't see that being as effective as the lineup I proposed above.

Our offense needs to be run through T. Smith, period. He's nearly impossible to stop with one man guarding him and he learned to play through double teams all last season. Last year when he kicked it out, we weren't able to make teams pay because we always had a non-shooter like Degand, Mays, Davis, CJW that teams could rotate off of. This year we should be able to bury threes and with all the fouls T.Smith draws working the post and the athleticism we add with Brown, Leslie, and Harrow we should be getting to the line a ton this year.

Dangerous team if they can harness their potential.

6/19/2010 2:50:10 AM

Javi might play early in the season, but it will be over Harrow, not Brown. Point guard transition to college is the most painstaking, unless you're Lawson/Tyreke Evans, and Javi has all the experience you can ask for. Brown has undergone the intangibles of post high school organized basektball, he's ready for 25+ minutes at the ACC level to me. Harrow is not going to be asked to score 20 a night, just be a wizard with the ball, which he is. I hope they play every day with each other this summer, i know Javi will challenge them frequently in practice.

I don't really care who starts but if Javi is getting above 26 minutes a game by January we will not be where we want to be, just my opinion.

6/19/2010 4:32:48 PM

Quote :

"Man, how stupid do the haters in this thread look now that we're rolling"

Nice troll.

6/19/2010 5:13:08 PM

Please, continue to be negative.

6/19/2010 5:57:00 PM

Just being realistic.

I haven't seen this much hype since JJ Hickson.

Seriously, can we win a few games first?

6/19/2010 6:24:28 PM

Seriously, this recruiting class is not that good.

^You didn't graduate, did you? 3>1

[Edited on June 19, 2010 at 6:57 PM. Reason : ]

6/19/2010 6:56:47 PM

I forgot we had a top 5 class Hickson's freshman year

6/19/2010 7:11:23 PM

wins > hype

We have a great class coming in. Let's hang a banner.

How about winning some games? Until that happens in about 5 months, we're still next to last in the ACC.

[Edited on June 19, 2010 at 7:33 PM. Reason : ,]

6/19/2010 7:32:04 PM

nevermind.

6/20/2010 1:10:59 AM

Fret not football fans, basketball season will be here soon enough

9/6/2010 1:19:38 PM

Ok? We win 48-7 and you've already given up on us?

We have the best QB in the ACC, we can beat anyone on the schedule any given game.

9/6/2010 11:26:44 PM

I love RW, but it is a little premature to call him the best QB in the ACC when you've got guys like Ponder, Jacory Harris, Tyrod Taylor, Nesbitt (not really a QB, but he was the 1st team all ACC QB). I personally still take RW out of that group, but Ponder or Harris are a close 2nd.

9/7/2010 7:58:27 AM

Maybe its the rose colored glasses, but I've never seen any of the other guys come close to what RW can do. They get talked up a ton in the media, and are on better overall teams, but I feel like you give RW the same defense/d coord as Tyrod Taylor has and he would put together a 10 win season.

9/7/2010 8:07:15 AM