Why lol?

1/2/2019 11:53:37 AM

He’s going to be a both-sides media star. I can already see Chuck Todd having him on every weekend.

Also, I thought twice-losing POTUS candidates were supposed to shut the fuck up and knit.

1/2/2019 12:16:47 PM

^^ because he’s going to vote with Trump 98% of the time no matter how many stern looks he gives

and no republican is going to run in 2020, because republicans love Trump. he is the GOP.

1/2/2019 12:32:39 PM

I know plenty who don't claim him. I hope somebody runs against him.

1/2/2019 12:41:49 PM

he’s the GOP of the last 30 years, personified

1/2/2019 12:43:14 PM

Quote :

".@MittRomney to @jaketapper on shutdown: "i'll be with republicans. I think it's important to secure the border.""

Lol

1/2/2019 4:23:30 PM

Didn't take long at all for Mr. Comity-and-Mutual-Respect to put his toes on the line.

1/2/2019 4:46:46 PM

shocking

1/2/2019 5:14:45 PM

I'm on the fainting couch

1/2/2019 6:35:36 PM

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"he’s the GOP of the last 30 years, personified"

GOP of the last 40 years belongs to the Bush family, doesn't it?

1/3/2019 8:39:05 AM

Still waiting on Romney to stand up to Trump. At least more than criticizing the budget deficit. No other republican has the gravitas.

8/23/2019 12:18:53 AM

http://twitter.com/npfandos/status/1171455841230192640

Quote :

"Mitt Romney outspoken on Bolton’s firing: “I’m very, very unhappy to hear that he is leaving. It’s a huge loss for the andministration and for the nation.” Asked about a possible replacement, Romney suggests “John Bolton”"

9/10/2019 1:18:51 PM

He could have won the 2012 election. But it's just about timing. He was rising at an inappropriate time.

9/10/2019 1:30:05 PM

^^Maybe he assumes what most people assume, now that there's a job opening Trump will find someone that's somehow even worse as a replacement?

9/10/2019 1:41:33 PM

Good job voting guilty

2/5/2020 4:31:08 PM

For abuse of power, yes.

He voted against abuse of Congress, which kinda cancels it out imo. Fine example of handwringing.

2/5/2020 4:41:54 PM

^^He's just doing it for personal gain.

2/5/2020 5:24:35 PM

^^he voted against the obstruction charge and he had a good argument for it.

2/5/2020 6:17:15 PM

^^what gain? I think he did it to give cover to Manchin and Jones to vote guilty. Supposedly even ppl from Utah are souring towards him, Trumps approval is higher than his. I had heard before that Utahans didn’t like Trump as much because mormons don’t like brash ppl like that but I guess not. Perhaps in 4 years that will be moot and opinions will change.

2/5/2020 6:35:40 PM

^It's very dated now but there was a poll that showed Trump was more popular among Mormons than all other faiths represented in the poll:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/225380/trump-approval-highest-among-mormons-lowest-among-muslims.aspx

More recent trends:

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2020/02/04/jana-riess-trumps-mormon/

2/5/2020 9:38:34 PM

^^^^ what the fuck?

I can't beat Romney's own response to such a silly allegation:

Yes! That’s it! They caught me!” he proclaimed. “Look at the base I have! It’s going to be at least 2 or 3 percent of the Republican Party. As goes Utah, so goes the nation!

[Edited on February 5, 2020 at 9:42 PM. Reason : interview in The Atlantic]

2/5/2020 9:42:04 PM

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"he voted against the obstruction charge and he had a good argument for it."

I Googled and couldn't find it. I can't think of any conceivable reason that Trump DIDN'T obstruct congress, so forgive me.

2/6/2020 12:27:26 PM

He voted against the obstruction charge because Trump did not break any laws while refusing to cooperate. This rolls back to previous points I made regarding how the House should have proceeded with the full investigation, up to and including forcing the Supreme Court to finally decide this nonsensical executive privilege garbage once and for all.

In other words - Trump broke no laws avoiding Congress due to a legitimate legal belief/precedent regarding executive privilege. Because of this, Romney did not consider it obstruction.

But I mean yes, absent the whole charade of having to go through the courts, Trump obstructed Congress' investigation, a role afforded them by the Constitution.

[Edited on February 6, 2020 at 9:16 PM. Reason : a]

2/6/2020 9:16:08 PM

" He didn't break any laws" is not a good argument against impeachment.

2/6/2020 11:36:43 PM

He voted to convict him on abuse of power. So what's the issue?

2/6/2020 11:37:46 PM

Huh? You said he had a good argument, I'm disputing that. The issue is pretty clear I thought.

2/6/2020 11:42:00 PM

Oh I misunderstood my bad. I see your point. I think I was more comparing his argument versus the nonsense the rest of the GOP gang.

2/7/2020 2:21:19 PM

^^^^^ Right. I don't agree--I'm with you--but it's not totally specious reasoning, I suppose.

...but in that light, you have a Republican Senator, from a bright red state, who is a former standard bearer for the party, who explicitly stated that he wanted to find any possible justification for not voting for either charge of impeachment, who conjured such a justification on one of the charges by the narrowest, most convenient logic that still falls within the bounds of straight-faced reason, who STILL felt compelled to vote for the other impeachment charge, against all historical precedent, self-interest, and arguably the interest of his constituents.

2/7/2020 8:21:23 PM

Or...you know...he'll want to run in 2024, and will use his vote here as a signpost for his 'return to normalcy' platform.

2/10/2020 8:24:24 AM

He got a round of applause during his senate thing just now

1/6/2021 9:31:55 PM

The coz didn’t post his quote here

NTTAWWT

2/27/2022 10:19:50 PM

Voting yes on supreme court pick

[Edited on April 7, 2022 at 12:29 AM. Reason : -]

4/7/2022 12:29:21 AM

...and he's pro-pedo!

4/7/2022 1:55:51 AM

4/7/2022 6:16:42 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/08/us/politics/romney-santos-gop-tension.html

+1 for cursing at Santos in a Mormon way

2/8/2023 10:28:59 PM

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/mitt-romney-reelection-senate-utah-trump-bf6f386a

Hope he runs

8/20/2023 1:11:58 AM

I feel like I owe him an apology for hating him as much as I did

But he did used to go to a really racist ranch in Texas and he drove with his dog on the roof of his car

4/24/2024 10:48:25 PM

It's funny how seeing actual examples of genuinely evil people now in the GOP shows you how absurd prior liberal critiques against Republicans were. What's more disappointing is how much of the GOP just fell in line. Romney stood up against it, albeit a bit too late, IMO

4/25/2024 12:13:04 AM

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"I feel like I owe him an apology for hating him as much as I did"

my favorite part of the internet is when people say they changed their mind about something.

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"how absurd prior liberal critiques against Republicans were"

that's a stretch. Republicans were still doo-doo back then, even if today's Republican's are doo-doo squared. after all, the back then Republicans paved the way for today's Republicans. [insert photo of McCain and Palin]

4/27/2024 9:04:56 AM

I have changed my mind about a lot of things.

4/27/2024 12:35:22 PM

^^ I'd disagree. What brought us the Republicans of today is Trump, and what brought Trump was Clinton Derangement Syndrome. That's more on Newt Gingrich than anyone else. That's not to say there weren't some shitty Reps then, a la Dantorum, Palin, and Perry. But your average GOPer honestly wasn't that bad. Even McConnell isn't that bad, other than his successful gamesmanship with Dems that had caused so much trouble

4/27/2024 2:37:56 PM

Trump was just an accelerant to decades and decades of awful that Republicans did a decent job of containing

there is nothing new that Trump and his crew proposed that Republicans weren't already fans of

he was just blatant in vocalizing it

dude’s of the most shameless humans ever who took the shame away from Republicans most extreme positions

[Edited on April 27, 2024 at 4:27 PM. Reason : .]

4/27/2024 4:14:16 PM

I keep going back and forth on this.

When in college, I always made a point of criticizing Republican politicians and not Republican voters, because I viewed Republican voters as being manipulated and misled by the politicians from their party.

Now, I wonder if that dynamic has shifted and the Republican base is leading the politicians to behave more poorly in order to appease their base or if perhaps it was always that way and Republican politicians' worst behavior has always catered to their base's worst desires.

When pundits talk today about Republican politicians fearing angering Donald Trump, I don't think that's the case at all; I think that Republican politicians fear Trump's supporters. I don't think that Trump would be a threat if it weren't for the potential threat of his voters' actions.

5/2/2024 1:51:04 PM

I suspect it's a little bit of both, to be honest. Cheeto has certainly manipulated and misled his voters, and in the process, he's managed to get almost complete fealty from them. In some ways, they wanted to be misled, but as he's fed them what they want to hear, he's dug into baser instincts. But, let's be clear, such instincts exist among all of us, namely mistrust of the Other. Cheeto just plays to it more explicitly than others.

Outside of Cheeto, the GOPers from before him were certainly misleading folks at times, too, mainly to protect business interests. But I think they also understood that some norms were important, as they tended to be highly educated folks, alongside their Democratic counterparts. That limited the shenanigans they were willing to engage in.

What's changed is the Tea Party fools coming in, who had little to no respect for norms and just wanted to burn shit down. They were less educated (in general) than their predecessors and didn't comprehend the problems inherent in what they were doing. The Dems did a poor job responding to it and in many instances let themselves be dragged down to these fools' level. And it's led to a spiral in both parties, honestly, where each side allows itself to nominate people more and more ill-suited to the position, due to how ill-suited their opponent is.

Having said that, Cheeto and the Tea Party have changed things, as they have enough clout and resources to primary otherwise reasonable GOPers (if such a thing is possible) who would otherwise resist these baser urges, thereby putting their mindless lackeys in. You've seen it in the J6 situation, where GOP reps knew the claims were bullshit and still signed on to the objections, knowing that they had to show fealty to MAGA at all costs. Conservative media (which is chief among misleading voters) also knows it has to show MAGA fealty, or else go bankrupt.

So, who is really dictating to who at this point? It's hard to say.

5/3/2024 10:02:58 AM

They all suck.

5/3/2024 8:28:35 PM

^^ you’re just describing nationalism and populism which Political philosophers have known for literal centuries was dangerous

Why we have cascading failures in our government and media and society that were supposed to prevent this is the question. Seems like large groups of people eventually will like a dictator When times get tough

5/3/2024 10:27:50 PM

But times aren't even tough by any objective definition.

5/4/2024 7:28:24 AM

^^ everyone likes a dictator when they agree with with him

5/4/2024 10:12:39 AM

^

not me

unless I were to be the dictator

in which case

The Coz, you be will secretary of the textiles
TGL3, you will be secretary of the lgbtq+ protectionary force, but eventually you will be deposed of and exiled by the lgbtq+ lobby in a great series of betrayal and drama
and QNTMfred will be chief of staff


welcome to my empire...

5/4/2024 12:27:54 PM

I want to be secretary of your interior

5/4/2024 12:46:31 PM