^This. Everywhere has bullshit classes that athletes get funneled into and its not hard to get a good grade. Most places don't have outright academic fraud, plagerism, do absolutely nothing/no show courses.

5/8/2012 2:37:13 PM

when will we see butch davis 216 phone records?

[Edited on May 8, 2012 at 3:03 PM. Reason : d]

5/8/2012 3:02:54 PM

Perhaps I was unaware of the extent of UNC's academic fraud

This marks the first time on TWW or in life that I have spoken without knowing all the facts. My apologies.

5/8/2012 3:12:07 PM

Quote :

"when will we see butch davis 216 phone records?"

All the more reason these should come out, Carolina can't be trusted to review themselves.

5/8/2012 3:15:54 PM

I took a theater class with Julius Hodge my freshman/his senior year, he only ever missed if he was traveling for a game. A true scholar.

5/8/2012 3:35:50 PM

and a gentleman

5/8/2012 3:39:22 PM

master thespian

5/8/2012 3:41:09 PM

I used to work for the athletic dept and there are definitely some easier classes that athletes are funneled towards. As others have said you still had to show up and take tests and what not. They were just easy enough that if you couldnt pass you wouldn't be able to get a job at McDonalds.

5/8/2012 3:41:14 PM

I imagine there has to be at least one non athlete who graduated with a major in AA studies who is oblivious. They just thought they were a fucking genius.

[Edited on May 8, 2012 at 3:45 PM. Reason : phrasing]

5/8/2012 3:45:19 PM

^lol

5/8/2012 3:46:40 PM

^^ lolol

"And now our keynote speaker, Dr. Jim Johnson, summa cum laude in African-American Studies at UNC - Chapel Hill... (crowd snickers)"

5/8/2012 3:50:25 PM

Here is to knowing that nothing will come of this

5/8/2012 3:50:34 PM

from DBR, lol

Quote :

"Fortunately, the N&O doesn’t concur and is clearly looking into things. So at some point perhaps we’ll have clarity. Or perhaps this is another chance for State fans to embarrass the profession of journalism again."

5/8/2012 4:02:08 PM

Quote :

"And now our keynote speaker, Dr. Jim Johnson, summa cum laude in African-American Studies at UNC - Chapel Hil"

Sitting in his office with a glass of scotch in his hand, staring at his diploma shaking his head in disgust.

5/8/2012 4:05:15 PM

Quote :

"If a department head has officially taught 43 classes in three years, that is just about the biggest, reddest red flag imaginable. "

it can be done... im pretty sure it was 43 sections of the same class

5/8/2012 10:59:47 PM

Quote :

"Ben Swain ? @thedevilwolf Re: UNC situation, 51% of basketball players at UNC b/t 2007 and 2011 took courses in African & Afro-American Studies. "

5/8/2012 11:46:14 PM

^^ 43 sections of the same class...in three years

5/9/2012 12:00:44 AM

lol "Professor No'Show"

5/9/2012 12:23:49 AM

Please let it be basketball too...

5/9/2012 12:40:19 AM

Roy wouldn't be talking about it if it didn't include basketball too. When the football stuff was coming out he did the smartest thing he could, shut the hell up.

5/9/2012 9:55:06 AM

Is Roy talking about it?

5/9/2012 10:41:10 AM

^Yep...

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/05/08/3227596/roy-williams-defends-players-who.html

5/9/2012 10:51:31 AM

It would be interesting to see which classes at State have the highest percentage of football players in them and if that number comes anywhere close to 40%.

Another thing I want to know is this: there are only 85 scholarship football players yet there were 246 in these classes. Since its over 3 years we'll bump the number of players in the program up to ~123. Obviously that means the average is 2 fraud classes per player. Does that mean 50% of the players take 1 and the other 50% take 3 or do 90% take 1 and 10% take 11 each. What's the distribution?

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 11:52 AM. Reason : .]

5/9/2012 11:34:59 AM

I think Bees & Beekeeping or Rocks for Jocks is up there.

I took both of those classes. (Loved Bees and Beekeeping). You definitely had a syllabus, defined assignments, and took the final exam. The class wasn't hard, but it wasn't one you got an A and did nothing for. You had to actually go through the motions to get an A.

5/9/2012 11:52:43 AM

I don't know where I want to put this:

UNC coach Mike Fox on the baseball crowds at home: “It’s a little bit of that wine and cheese—spoiled crowd" http://www.dailytarheel.com/index.php/blog/press_box/2012/05/mike_fox_wants_more_out_of_the_boshamer_crowd

5/9/2012 11:57:35 AM

http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/19000158/curriculum-for-some-unc-players-brings-academic-questions-to-the-surface

UNC BASKETBALL PLAYERS CLEARED

[by UNC/Roy]

5/9/2012 12:00:50 PM

lol at roy. taking a page out of dean's book and absolving his players with his own internal investigation

5/9/2012 12:08:11 PM

How can he clear them when we know his basketball players took some of those Swahili classes?

5/9/2012 12:19:51 PM

Quote :

"The good news: it has been, and Harrison Barnes' brand took no hit in the process"

LOL

5/9/2012 12:22:13 PM

^^^^ A more appropriate title for that article would have been "Nothing to see here"...at least then it would've reflected the tone the journalist took throughout the article

5/9/2012 12:28:27 PM

Quote :

"“The players were eligible to be enrolled in those classes, as were non-student-athletes, and they did the work that was assigned to them,” Williams said Tuesday through an athletics department spokesman. "

lol...there was no work assigned.

5/9/2012 12:33:42 PM

In on pg216.

5/9/2012 12:36:14 PM

Roy is such a douche, but that's not news or anything. Maybe the NCAA can come back and find a way to strip that 09 bball title

5/9/2012 12:47:37 PM

I stopped reading after this

Quote :

"And keep in mind this is UNC, one of the toughest public schools to get into in the country. "

5/9/2012 12:56:49 PM

you should have kept going

Quote :

"Still, you can tell the subject is sensitive one"

5/9/2012 1:02:31 PM

http://www.kinston.com/news/kinston-82015-hawkins-shooting.html

Quote :

"A former UNC football player who made national headlines for an improper benefits scandal has been arrested by the Kinston Department of Public Safety for shooting into an occupied dwelling. Christopher Hawkins, 901 Fairfield Ave. Kinston, was arrested by the Kinston Department of Public Safety at approximately 11:46 a.m., today near 710 Doctors Drive."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_state's_evidence

5/9/2012 3:41:12 PM

5/9/2012 3:47:50 PM

LOL. no worries. UNC has nothing to do with him now

5/9/2012 5:41:18 PM

if it were NCSU, all our degrees would be revoked by now

5/9/2012 5:55:10 PM

http://acc.blogs.starnewsonline.com/30171/who-voted-to-fine-unc-and-who-decided-that-a-hollow-reprimand-was-punishment-enough/

Quote :

"As it turns out, the ACC’s Infractions and Penalties Committee came within one vote recently of fining North Carolina $100,000 for the transgressions of its disgraced football program. That information, reported by Ivan Maisel of ESPN.com, is interesting in itself because a hefty fine would have made a much more meaningful statement than the hollow public reprimand the committee ended up issuing back on April 20. Even more intriguing, however, is the mystery of which ACC rivals voted to hit the Tar Heels where it hurts and which schools decided to let them off easy. According to Maisel, the vote was 7-4 in favor of fining the Tar Heels (UNC didn’t get a ballot). A two-thirds majority of the league’s members, or in this case eight, was needed to pass the motion. The published report didn’t identify which schools fell into which category."

My best guess:
For: NCSU, Clemson, Ga Tech, VT, FSU, Duke, UVA
Against: Wake, BC, Miami, Maryland

Not sure about Maryland, might switch them and UVA.

Wellman at Wake doesn't seem like the type to wanna fuck with UNC, BC doesn't want to set the precedent of that much money cause they don't want to have to pay if they ever get in a similar situation, Miami because they have shit pending and Maryland isn't going to agree with Debbie.

5/9/2012 7:07:14 PM

^interesting stuff...i wonder if anyone is wishing they could change their vote with this academic stuff coming out.

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 7:14 PM. Reason : wording]

5/9/2012 7:09:02 PM

Quote :

"Maryland isn't going to agree with Debbie."

Seriously. This is THE dumbest thing I've read in Sports Talk. EVER.

You honestly think that the Maryland AD is going to vote against fining unc-ch just because he wants to do the opposite of what he thinks Debbie Yow is going to do??

5/9/2012 8:05:26 PM

well, kevin anderson is a moron and a terrible AD...so maybe

5/9/2012 9:31:09 PM

I think a better guess of against votes is miami, gt, fsu and (insert random school here).

5/9/2012 9:41:24 PM

nevermind.

[Edited on May 10, 2012 at 12:09 AM. Reason : i was wrong. looked that shit up.]

5/10/2012 12:07:36 AM

my guess is the rivals (and of course Clemson) voted against, but the other teams who continue to cheat voted for

i mean, Miami is getting investigated for like 10 years worth of hookers and yacht trips, maybe they feel sympathy

who knows, maybe Swofford changed the votes like No'Show changed grades

5/10/2012 12:51:59 AM

iop216

i really hope they strip roy's two titles and he immediately retires

roy can't win the big one!

but if that happens, unc probably throws 25 mil per year at calipari and they'll win 3 or 4 more.. and have them for like 2 years until they're vacated.

[Edited on May 10, 2012 at 3:42 AM. Reason : CJL wasn't allowed to enter the nba draft because he faked the funk on a nasty dunk during tryouts]

5/10/2012 3:40:52 AM

All the colleges that make up a university have to get accredited every so often. Am I to assume that the "Institute of African-American Research" at UNC will be losing their accreditation?

[Edited on May 10, 2012 at 7:21 AM. Reason : -]

5/10/2012 7:19:53 AM

Some good number crunching on Pack Pride:

Quote :

"Wufwuf1 wrote: Open seats in selected classes: 686 Occupied by non FB/BB = 417 61% Occupied by FB = 246 or 36% Occupied by BB = 23 (ironic number) or 3% (adjusted = 25% see below) General population: 18,500 Football players: 120 Basketball: 16 So what is the general population's (non-football/basketball player) chance of randomly ending up in that seat? 99.2648% (18500 - 136)/18500= 0.992648648... What is a football players chance? 0.6% or 0.006486486... What is a basketball player's chance? 0.08% or 0.000864864... So if you divide the number of football players (120) by the number of basketball (16) players you get 7.5 You take the number of basketball infractions (23) and multiply it by 7.5 to normalize the football and basketball teams you get 172.5 172.5 would be the projected number of basketball players in these classes if there were as many basketball players as football players. This translates to an adjusted 25% of the total attendees if there were the same number of basketball players as football. Basketball is hiding behind the raw numbers. Their players statistically are in the same boat as football. Willing to bet the other sports would make it more interesting."

and

Quote :

"More fun with the numbers!! So taking the numbers above, If you take the average distribution of the students based on percentage: 686 seats Normal Students seats: 686 x 99.2648% = 660 seats Average | Actual Average students 246 or 27% of Average Football Players seats: 686 x 0.6% = 41 seats Average | Actual FB player seats 246 or 535% of average seat distribution. Basketball player seats: 686 x 0.08% = 5.5 seats Average | Actual BB Player seats 23 or 418% of Average seat distribution. Conclusion: These classes were made for athletes. The fact that others might have made it in was coincidental. Please let them argue that this was their major.. it only makes it worse."

5/10/2012 8:46:03 AM

Quote :

"This marks the first time on TWW or in life that I have spoken without knowing all the facts. My apologies."

BAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHHHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAAHA

5/10/2012 8:52:18 AM