http://slate.me/28YtDtW

My opinion as well, is that Bernie blew his chance.

6/29/2016 8:07:17 AM

Warren sold out essentially. For all her railing against Wall Street corruption she is now supporting a candidate who represents those interests.

6/29/2016 8:28:28 AM

Bernie Sanders: Democrats Need to Wake Up
By BERNIE SANDERSJUNE 28, 2016

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/opinion/campaign-stops/bernie-sanders-democrats-need-to-wake-up.html

Quote :

"Surprise, surprise. Workers in Britain, many of whom have seen a decline in their standard of living while the very rich in their country have become much richer, have turned their backs on the European Union and a globalized economy that is failing them and their children. And it’s not just the British who are suffering. That increasingly globalized economy, established and maintained by the world’s economic elite, is failing people everywhere. Incredibly, the wealthiest 62 people on this planet own as much wealth as the bottom half of the world’s population — around 3.6 billion people. The top 1 percent now owns more wealth than the whole of the bottom 99 percent. The very, very rich enjoy unimaginable luxury while billions of people endure abject poverty, unemployment, and inadequate health care, education, housing and drinking water. Could this rejection of the current form of the global economy happen in the United States? You bet it could. During my campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination, I’ve visited 46 states. What I saw and heard on too many occasions were painful realities that the political and media establishment fail even to recognize. In the last 15 years, nearly 60,000 factories in this country have closed, and more than 4.8 million well-paid manufacturing jobs have disappeared. Much of this is related to disastrous trade agreements that encourage corporations to move to low-wage countries. Despite major increases in productivity, the median male worker in America today is making $726 dollars less than he did in 1973, while the median female worker is making $1,154 less than she did in 2007, after adjusting for inflation. Nearly 47 million Americans live in poverty. An estimated 28 million have no health insurance, while many others are underinsured. Millions of people are struggling with outrageous levels of student debt. For perhaps the first time in modern history, our younger generation will probably have a lower standard of living than their parents. Frighteningly, millions of poorly educated Americans will have a shorter life span than the previous generation as they succumb to despair, drugs and alcohol. Meanwhile, in our country the top one-tenth of 1 percent now owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent. Fifty-eight percent of all new income is going to the top 1 percent. Wall Street and billionaires, through their “super PACs,” are able to buy elections. On my campaign, I’ve talked to workers unable to make it on $8 or $9 an hour; retirees struggling to purchase the medicine they need on $9,000 a year of Social Security; young people unable to afford college. I also visited the American citizens of Puerto Rico, where some 58 percent of the children live in poverty and only a little more than 40 percent of the adult population has a job or is seeking one. Let’s be clear. The global economy is not working for the majority of people in our country and the world. This is an economic model developed by the economic elite to benefit the economic elite. We need real change. But we do not need change based on the demagogy, bigotry and anti-immigrant sentiment that punctuated so much of the Leave campaign’s rhetoric — and is central to Donald J. Trump’s message. We need a president who will vigorously support international cooperation that brings the people of the world closer together, reduces hypernationalism and decreases the possibility of war. We also need a president who respects the democratic rights of the people, and who will fight for an economy that protects the interests of working people, not just Wall Street, the drug companies and other powerful special interests. We need to fundamentally reject our “free trade” policies and move to fair trade. Americans should not have to compete against workers in low-wage countries who earn pennies an hour. We must defeat the Trans-Pacific Partnership. We must help poor countries develop sustainable economic models. We need to end the international scandal in which large corporations and the wealthy avoid paying trillions of dollars in taxes to their national governments. We need to create tens of millions of jobs worldwide by combating global climate change and by transforming the world’s energy system away from fossil fuels. We need international efforts to cut military spending around the globe and address the causes of war: poverty, hatred, hopelessness and ignorance. The notion that Donald Trump could benefit from the same forces that gave the Leave proponents a majority in Britain should sound an alarm for the Democratic Party in the United States. Millions of American voters, like the Leave supporters, are understandably angry and frustrated by the economic forces that are destroying the middle class. In this pivotal moment, the Democratic Party and a new Democratic president need to make clear that we stand with those who are struggling and who have been left behind. We must create national and global economies that work for all, not just a handful of billionaires. "

If the democratic party does not adopt populist positions to help the people he is describing, and instead continues to concentrate on identity politics and neoliberalism, we will see a continued rise of nationalism in this country and politicians like Trump and Farage will continue to take advantage of it

6/29/2016 8:31:39 AM

LOL Bernie thinks Brexit was about jobs and the economy?

Immigration and autonomy, not economy, were the driving factors behind people voting to leave the EU.

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/atmwrgevvj/TimesResults_160622_EVEOFPOLL.pdf

35% of people polled were voting to leave the EU over immigration concerns. Another 45% did so because of a desire for Britain to have more autonomy. Only 8% of people polled cited jobs or the economy as the most important issue driving them to vote to leave the EU.

It wasn't just rhetoric, it was reality.

[Edited on June 29, 2016 at 9:30 AM. Reason : .]

6/29/2016 9:21:45 AM

immigration concerns are because of jobs and economy you bellend



[Edited on June 29, 2016 at 9:44 AM. Reason : bellend]

6/29/2016 9:37:25 AM

not in the UK they're not. god damn you are so fucking insular

6/29/2016 9:54:11 AM

They are related but not to the degree as in the states.

6/29/2016 9:58:16 AM

yes, it absolutely is, and their grievance is even more relevant than the us because of labor immigration from eastern europe made easier by the EU



[Edited on June 29, 2016 at 10:16 AM. Reason : no one gives a shit about immigration when the economy is doing well and they have a job]

6/29/2016 10:12:42 AM

ah yes, the high unemployment in the United Kingdom that has been driven by immigration since Accession in 2004.

oh wait, unemployment in the UK is lower today than it was in the early 2000's before Accession.



[Edited on June 29, 2016 at 11:46 AM. Reason : fucking. insular.]

6/29/2016 11:45:43 AM

look at that rate by demographics and regions, look at regions that are adding the most EU immigrants, look at results by demographic, look at household income or disposable income by region and compare those things to brexit results. in cities where unemployment is high, income low and they have a immigrant target, its easy and totally predictable for people to make them the target. l

it's similar here. the US unemployment rate is only 5.5%, but does that mean that people in the Appalachian region or rust belt are just lying about unemployment and angry for nothing?


[Edited on June 29, 2016 at 12:20 PM. Reason : .]

6/29/2016 12:10:10 PM

They are angry at the wrong people but that is a different story.

6/29/2016 1:27:45 PM

OK, I did my best "I've got half an hour at lunch to pull some data together" first cut at your talking points

Here are the results - I'll let them speak for themselves:



Sources:
Pay: http://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/annualsurveyofhoursandearnings/2015provisionalresults#regional-earnings

Unemployment: http://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/regionallabourmarket/june2016

Population: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_of_the_countries_of_the_United_Kingdom

Immigrant population: http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/migobs/Migrants%20in%20the%20UK-Overview_0.pdf

Brexit vote: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36616028

[Edited on July 1, 2016 at 1:04 PM. Reason : .]

7/1/2016 1:02:04 PM

do multivariate analysis and add polling for how happy people are with economy

7/1/2016 1:07:58 PM

you don't get to keep making up shit for other people to prove. at some point, you have to prove your own bullshit. this is that point.

7/1/2016 1:09:58 PM

you didn't incorporate any polling at all about economy or job security, you're not very good at this

7/1/2016 1:17:05 PM

Quote :

"look at that rate by demographics and regions, look at regions that are adding the most EU immigrants, look at results by demographic, look at household income or disposable income by region and compare those things to brexit results. in cities where unemployment is high, income low and they have a immigrant target, its easy and totally predictable for people to make them the target."

funny, in your original brick of an excuse, you didn't mention polling anywhere in there

but please, feel free to share a poll with me I can integrate.

already, a multivariate analysis of the above dataset returns a p-value of 0.772 on % unemployment, quite the blow to your economic argument, especially when coupled with a R square of .62 (not bad given a paltry 12 data points)

if you need more time to google big statistics words, feel free. I'm about to knock off for the weekend.

[Edited on July 1, 2016 at 1:25 PM. Reason : .]

7/1/2016 1:24:29 PM

Lol, this site has officially jumped the shark. Statistical analysis in my Soapbox.

7/1/2016 1:54:05 PM

What in the fuck is going on in our beloved Bernie thread????

7/1/2016 2:17:47 PM

goalielaxatives

7/1/2016 2:27:14 PM

goalielax, as a neoliberal, is mad that people aren't happy with decades of austerity

7/1/2016 2:33:42 PM

Quote :

"Lol, this site has officially jumped the shark. Statistical analysis in my Soapbox."

that's why it's called "political science" and not "political guessing," much to the chagrin of the above bernie bros

[Edited on July 5, 2016 at 11:02 AM. Reason : .]

7/5/2016 11:02:05 AM

don't get mad at me because you don't know how polls work

7/5/2016 11:13:48 AM

Don't even change HA

Quote :

"Oh, I am definitely vindicated after today. TODAY PROVES GROSS NEGLIGENCE. Trust me, I don't need indictments to know HRC deserved them"

7/5/2016 12:57:57 PM

Guys Twitter makes him look like a raving lunatic

7/5/2016 1:12:36 PM

Quote :

"don't get mad at me because you don't know how polls work"

moving the goalposts. citing "polls" without being able to source a single one. I'm not angry. i'm laughing at you.

[Edited on July 5, 2016 at 2:24 PM. Reason : .]

7/5/2016 2:11:18 PM

Quote :

"goalielaxatives"

that's awesome

7/5/2016 9:48:44 PM

can you get your sons to confirm?

7/6/2016 12:03:32 PM

i too would like to know what kdogg's offspring think about that insult.

7/6/2016 12:07:27 PM

my friend's uncle knows a guy who said it was ill

7/6/2016 12:40:16 PM

So is HRC's all-but-official getting away with felonies the nail in the Sanders coffin? When does he concede?

7/6/2016 1:49:50 PM

He's been saying he's going to the convention for months, and I don't see any sign of that changing. In fact he just filed permits for a huge rally the night before the convention. http://www.ibtimes.com/bernie-sanders-still-running-president-ahead-democratic-national-convention-vermont-2389540

I could say it's pretty cynical for you to think that the reason he was sticking in the race was just in case HRC had email issues, but I'll chalk it up to you not paying any attention to what that "old nut" has to say. He's passionate about the Democrat's platform. His continued presence has been influencing it, and he will continue to try to influence it leading up to and during the convention.

[Edited on July 6, 2016 at 2:01 PM. Reason : Perhaps this rally just before is to potentially concede? I'd imagine not tho.]

7/6/2016 1:59:19 PM

Welp

7/11/2016 11:28:36 PM

I can only assume this is why u bumped

http://time.com/4402025/bernie-sanders-endorsement-hillary-clinton-democratic-platform/

[Edited on July 12, 2016 at 12:59 AM. Reason : thx!]

7/12/2016 12:50:58 AM

Yup

7/12/2016 1:06:00 AM

Cool I'm pretty pumped about his contributions to the platform as well!

7/12/2016 1:11:18 AM

So after campaigning nonstop about the corruption of wall street and the evil 1%, Bernie will kneel to kiss the ring of the epitome of corruption. GNSP

7/12/2016 2:39:34 AM

If you don't suffer from Clinton Derangement Syndrome, it's a logical choice versus empowering Mitch McConnell and his Satan Republicans or the House FreeDumb Caucus.

7/12/2016 5:47:19 AM

yeah Bernie is a sell out. his supporters should feel betrayed

7/12/2016 8:32:34 AM

lol at the goppers coming in here trying to stir shit up

7/12/2016 8:41:43 AM

You can save your hot takes for the Libertarian thread.

Nobody cares about what kind of disparaging animal word you can add after Hillary__

[Edited on July 12, 2016 at 8:42 AM. Reason : ^^]

7/12/2016 8:42:02 AM

not a fan of W bush's policies as prez but i respect him for not going to cleveland or endorsing trump

lost some respect for bernie this week, i'm sure i'm not the only one

7/12/2016 9:36:28 AM

I, too, lost some respect for the man, but given the options we're stuck with he didn't really have much of a choice if he cares as much as he claims to. The writing has been on the wall for a while, but hopefully he'll be able to hold the Dems/Hillary to some of the new promises they've been making.

7/12/2016 9:40:16 AM

leveraging his position to influence major party policies isn't selling out, it's being an effective politician

i'll also be curious to see his endorsement language, i bet it is somewhat qualified and not glowing praise

7/12/2016 9:46:37 AM

Quote :

"If you don't suffer from Clinton Derangement Syndrome"

lol fuck off with that

i understand why he endorsed but it doesnt change the fact that Clinton is garbage

[Edited on July 12, 2016 at 12:16 PM. Reason : ^glowing praise and people will fall for it]

7/12/2016 12:02:11 PM

Anyone who thought Bernie wasn't eventually going to give a full throated endorsement of Hillary is delusional and doesn't understand how any of this works. I do think he hurt himself and his future leverage within the democratic party by holding out for so long, but we all make mistakes. I will say the body language between them was a bit awkward at the start, but it was all sunshine and rainbows by the end.

7/12/2016 12:35:13 PM

hurt his leverage? no way any of the policies sanders delegates won would have happened if he didn't hold out this long

7/12/2016 12:46:23 PM

That's just like, my opinion, man.

7/12/2016 1:14:07 PM

The bitter tears of the Bernie Babies in my FB feed today is just priceless. I mean I knew that none of them had any real clue about how American Politics really work, but the fact that they are so shocked and angry is pretty pathetic.

7/12/2016 1:48:05 PM

Is HA going to burn his Bernie waifu pillow?

7/12/2016 2:39:36 PM

Anyone who follows politics saw this coming as soon as he entered the race on (D) ticket rather than his independent ticket he had. He was never a serious candidate. He wasn't robbed or cheated, either. He was ostracized by party officials, yes. But he lost the race by the rules established within the Democratic party. That's not really shocking.

But anyone who thinks that Bernie's "pulling the campaign to the left" is going to be disappointed when the general comes around and Hillary immediately starts pivoting back to the center. She'll start flexing her Hawk muscles to appear stronger vs Trump, and she'll be tough on civil liberties crime to protect our men and women in uniform domestically, too.

And her biggest donors are financial institutions, so don't expect any of that Bernie economic reform talk to survive a minute into her administration, either.

Sorry libs, but your boy didn't do shit to pull the party to the left.

7/12/2016 3:40:26 PM