Warren just now saying the primary was rigged is a joke. I would expect someone with great courage to question the process immediately instead of waiting to the time is politically convenient.

11/4/2017 4:29:12 PM

She's a politician. WTF do you want from her?

11/4/2017 8:42:59 PM

A lot of people are bashing Donna Brazile (of course it's mostly Clinton supporters), shouting that there's no way the primaries were rigged because XYZ blah blah.

But I don't think I've seen anywhere that Brazile said the primaries were rigged. She just said the Clinton campaign controlled the money. She also said it wasn't illegal, just unethical. And it was just verifying what everyone knew wen DWS resigned.

People will use any fake logic they can to tear down a person when they don't like what they hear.

11/6/2017 9:16:24 PM

^

11/6/2017 9:55:22 PM

Here's a video of Donna Brazile flat out saying that:

https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/status/927686297552130048

11/7/2017 8:39:13 AM

when people say "rigged," they mean the exact kind of unfair situation that has been described

or at least that's what i always assumed, maybe there are some morons who think the DNC was stuffing ballot boxes

11/7/2017 8:57:44 AM

Yep and it's already been proven that they literally violated their own bylaws. The bylaws that literally say there must be a free and open competition. I posted in one of these threads somewhere all of it.

11/7/2017 9:09:54 AM

Just like our society is rigged for upper class white men to remain in the upper class, and lower class black men to remain in the lower class. And it happens through mostly legal means.

11/7/2017 4:49:03 PM

Donna's just trying to sell a book. Go ahead, make that paper boo boo.

11/7/2017 8:50:48 PM

Ah, there's the party-line Democrat response I was looking for.

'Meh'

You're just as bad as a Trumpkin.

11/8/2017 8:02:48 AM

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[Edited on November 8, 2017 at 9:40 AM. Reason : .]

11/8/2017 9:37:33 AM

^^I don't know what else you can take away from her actions the last few weeks other than A. she's an idiot and B. an opportunist looking cash in. She writes that sensationalist op-ed where the only real new information we got was that after she took over the DNC, rather than helping candidates win she spent all her time searching for evidence of "rigging" and found none. After that she does the cable news rounds essentially contradicting the narrative she generated from the op-ed. Remember this is also the person who leaked debate questions to Hillary so I find it pretty hilarious that the Bernie folks are now championing her as some sort of heroic truth teller. She's trying to mend fences to sell a book, that's it.

Oh, and she's also not credible.

https://twitter.com/BrentScher/status/928311427156324352

11/8/2017 1:08:12 PM

Hillary's campaign and the DNC were run unethically in cahoots, that's the truth and no one can deny it. Stop trying to bash Donna Brazile for it. Who cares if she gets some book money for it, doesn't make it less true.

Hillary wrote in her book how it was all Bernie's fault that her image and reputation went downhill. But people knew the campaign was dirty and that's not Bernie or Brazile's fault. Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio (not to mention CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, etc) all attacked Trump's image and reputation far far worse than anything Bernie ever said about Hillary, and it didn't ruin his chance at becoming President.

11/8/2017 4:01:46 PM

Lol, Shrike is such a shill, why do you all engage him

11/8/2017 4:02:57 PM

It was pretty jarring to see Glenn Greenwald with Tucker Carlson talking about Donna being on the show the next day. It felt like bizarro world..

11/8/2017 4:14:52 PM

^^Go fuck yourself, I have no more patience for fake progressive pieces of shit like you who fell for the whole "economic anxiety" lie that's been disproven every day since November 2016.

^^^There is absolutely zero evidence that the DNC was run unethically. Literally zero. We have how many tens of thousands of emails from the DNC, Hillary, and John Podesta? You'd think if there was some grand conspiracy to screw Bernie, they would have actually, you know, conspired? Oh, and this memo that Brazile harped up has been standard operating procedure for every Democratic nominee for at least the last 15 years and included this line,

Quote :

""Nothing in this agreement shall be construed to violate the DNC's obligation of impartiality and neutrality through the Nominating process," the memo says. "All activities performed under this agreement will be focused exclusively on preparations for the General Election and not the Democratic Primary,” the agreement read."

And while there is specific, data driven evidence showing that Bernie's actions during the primary damaged Hillary's popularity and lessened enthusiasm from Democratic voters, there is absolutely nothing you can point to showing that Bernie lost the primary for any other reason than he earned less votes than Hillary.

Finally, fuck Donna Brazile one more time for dredging up this horse shit with nothing to back it with and you're all morons for falling for it.

https://twitter.com/SheriffClarke/status/928340680518324225

Quote :

"David A. Clarke, Jr.?Verified account @SheriffClarke Follow Follow @SheriffClarke More In NYC, ran into @donnabrazile and talked about her book. Even though our political views are polar opposite, we had a great conversation. Complimented her on her courage to out the DNC and #CrookedHillary. Say what you want, more Dems should tell the truth."

[Edited on November 8, 2017 at 4:18 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2017 4:18:42 PM

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"Finally, fuck Donna Brazile one more time for dredging up this horse shit"

Quote :

"Hmmmm, you sure did seem to have a habit of pushing Democrats to the side (Lieberman, Bernie, Donna Brazile, Debbie Wasserman Shaltz, etc.) when they no longer fit into your mystical definition of Democratic thought."

https://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=574051&page=86#16439509

11/8/2017 4:47:34 PM

maybe we can trigger shrike enough to leave like that dude who was devastated when clinton lost

11/8/2017 4:49:28 PM

^^is that the guy from Iron Eagle?

11/8/2017 4:50:20 PM

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"There is absolutely zero evidence that the DNC was run unethically"

the hillary victory fund you brainwashed fuck

11/8/2017 4:50:45 PM

Quote :

"maybe we can trigger shrike enough to leave like that dude who was devastated when clinton lost"

Nice retort. Nah, someone has to break up the circle jerk to call out your uninformed bullshit from time to time.

^That might be evidence that Hillary's campaign was run unethically for the crowd that thinks Democrats should unilaterally disarm when it comes to campaign contributions, but it says nothing about how the DNC itself was run.

11/8/2017 4:55:16 PM

it tells a lot about how the DNC was run, because turns out a lot of it was run by the clinton campaign per their agreement

you slow clammy-skinned moron

11/8/2017 5:00:21 PM

An agreement that has been standard operating procedure for the last 15 years. It's fucking hilarious that you people are falling for a known liar who was fired from CNN for actually doing something unethical and stupid because now her lies support the narrative you've been obsessed with since Bernie lost. Goddamn my hands are sweaty from typing that run-on.

11/8/2017 5:11:41 PM

oh, i see the problem, you haven't followed the news

no, it was not a standard agreement

you white sneaker wearing imbecile

11/8/2017 5:14:05 PM

Burden of proof is in the state! Show me the receipts! Howard Dean said it was and I'll take his word over an unethical proven liar who poses for photos with Trump surrogates and goes on Tucker Carlson.

11/8/2017 5:25:24 PM

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""Hmmmm, you sure did seem to have a habit of pushing Democrats to the side (Lieberman, Bernie, Donna Brazile, Debbie Wasserman Shaltz, etc.) when they no longer fit into your mystical definition of Democratic thought.""

11/9/2017 7:34:11 AM

^^ bruh, the memo was released

what a fucking shill

11/9/2017 8:25:03 AM

^^No, I push aside Democrats when they do things that actively fuck over the Democratic agenda. Lieberman is the reason the public option failed, fuck him. Brazile is currently a hack pushing a fake narrative to sell a book at the expense of her own party, fuck her. I don't think I've posted a single negative word about DWS, other than the obvious fact she was a poor DNC chair. I actually rather enjoyed her beat down of Bernie's hand picked primary challenger and she's always been a good House member who reliably wins her district. My beef with Bernie is mostly with his diehard supporters, not the man himself, who again, you'd be hard pressed to find me saying anything negative about. I'm not even sure who the post is supposed to apply to but I guess since you can't address the actual facts in my posts you have to make shit up.

^Yes, and the memo says,

Quote :

""Nothing in this agreement shall be construed to violate the DNC's obligation of impartiality and neutrality through the Nominating process. All activities performed under this agreement will be focused exclusively on preparations for the General Election and not the Democratic Primary," the memo states. "Further we understand you may enter into similar agreements with other candidates," it continues."

Y'all just keep barking up this tree, maybe next week when Donna shows up on Infowars yucking it up Alex Jones you'll reassess.

[Edited on November 9, 2017 at 9:04 AM. Reason : .]

11/9/2017 8:57:26 AM

did you skip over all the stuff before that where it spells out exactly the unfair and unequal agreement where the clinton campaign controlled the DNC?

here is the summary of the memo since you didn't read it and only posted the part you copied from some party shill's twitter account (lol, don't lie, you know that's where you got it)

memo summary:
- the clinton campaign will control the DNC
- the DNC is allowed to make this agreement with other, haha jk that would be impossible because it would contradict the agreement
- we are pretending like this isn't unfair, here is the language so we can pretend like we aren't violating our bylaws and don't get sued.

are you that much of a moron where you will fall for a CYA statement, or are you just a shill? which is it?

fucking wrinkled-shirt wearing dimwit

[Edited on November 9, 2017 at 9:14 AM. Reason : wr]

11/9/2017 9:13:55 AM

The part I posted was quoted in every article about the memo, including the NBC article where it was originally published. Also nothing you posted or was in the memo amounts to "rigging", which is the narrative that Donna was trying to push "I found the smoking gun!!!!". The DNC doesn't run primary elections, states do.

Now, does that mean there aren't problems with the DNC? No, and I've never said that there aren't. No single candidate should have that much control over the DNC even if it's unclear what that control amounted to in practice. Again, despite tens of thousands of private emails from all parties involved, there is not one example of improper or unethical activities by the DNC/Clinton campaign (other than Donna tipping off debate questions). None of this was even new or unique to the Clinton campaign, it's just another example "bitch eating crackers" because since Hillary was involved it must be evil.

11/9/2017 9:31:48 AM

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"when people say "rigged," they mean the exact kind of unfair situation that has been described"

[Edited on November 9, 2017 at 9:34 AM. Reason : apparently the answer is both a moron AND a shill!]

11/9/2017 9:33:25 AM

Yeah, I already know you can't do anything other than repeat tired old quotes and hurl childish insults. So when people say "rigged", they mean something that is totally different from the actual definition of the word? Hell, you still can't show me what was "unfair" about the situation as it pertained to how the primary was conducted. it's just a constant exercise in moving goalposts. Wow, I wonder why that is, maybe they are trying to push a false narrative?

11/9/2017 9:40:34 AM

to start:

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"With respect to the hiring of a DNC Communications Director, the DNC agrees that no later than September 11, 2015 it will hire one of two candidates previously identified as acceptable to HFA."

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"With respect to the hiring of future DNC senior staff in the communications, technology, and research departments, in the case of vacancy, the DNC will maintain the authority to make the final decision as between candidates acceptable to HFA."

clinton campaign controls hiring

Quote :

"Agreement by the DNC that HFA personnel will be consulted and have joint authority over strategic decisions over the staffing, budget, expenditures, and general election related communications, data, technology, analytics, and research. The DNC will provide HFA advance opportunity to review on-line or mass email, communications that features a particular Democratic primary candidate. This does not include any communications related to primary debates – which will be exclusively controlled by the DNC. The DNC will alert HFA in advance of mailing any direct mail communications that features a particular Democratic primary candidate or his or her signature. "

clinton campaign controls basically everything. they try to pretend like the primary is seperate, but that is imposible when hiring and operations are all controlled by clinton campaign. they also get told in advance about primary communications.

etc...

and then there is the fact that they used it to effectively launder money back to themselves

all of this is unfair, it creates a party controlled by one candidate working in their interest instead of a party working to find the best candidate.

this is fucking simple, you massive peanut

11/9/2017 9:55:05 AM

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"all of this is unfair, it creates a party controlled by one candidate working in their interest instead of a party working to find the best candidate."

Again, this is your problem, you can show me how this was possible, but you can't show me what was actually done that was unfair. Not to mention, all of this ignores that when this agreement was entered into in 2015, Bernie (nor anyone else) was on anybody's radar as a legitimate primary challenger to Hillary. The idea that Hillary and the DNC did all this to "rig" a nominating process everyone thought was already in the bag is just plain laughable. They did it because they didn't want to pump money into a broke organization while leaving it in the hands of the same people who ran it into the ground.

Quote :

"and then there is the fact that they used it to effectively launder money back to themselves"

You're confusing the Hillary Victory Fund and this agreement, which are two separate things.

[Edited on November 9, 2017 at 10:06 AM. Reason : .]

11/9/2017 10:05:47 AM

holy shit dude, it's right in front of you

and no, i'm not confusing the 2, this is a supplemental agreement between the DNC and the campaign regarding the victory fund

11/9/2017 10:13:59 AM

Quote :

"Not to mention, all of this ignores that when this agreement was entered into in 2015, Bernie (nor anyone else) was on anybody's radar as a legitimate primary challenger to Hillary. The idea that Hillary and the DNC did all this to "rig" a nominating process everyone thought was already in the bag is just plain laughable. They did it because they didn't want to pump money into a broke organization while leaving it in the hands of the same people who ran it into the ground."

facts:
Biden hadn't ruled out a run yet
Sanders launched his campaign before this agreement
O'Malley launched his campaign before this agreement
Chafee launched his campaign before this agreement
Webb launched his campaign before this announcement
I think Lessig was in the news at this point, he launched his campaign shortly after the agreement

so basically your argument is that the vice president, 2 senators, and 2 governors are not potential legitimate primary challengers so it's okay for the democratic party to have an unfair primary and just appoint clinton from the beginning.

[Edited on November 9, 2017 at 10:21 AM. Reason : thanks at least for being such a transparent shill]

11/9/2017 10:19:02 AM

What's right in front of me? You know, frankly, given the clear pro-Hillary bias within' the DNC ranks, her campaign bailing them out financially, and the sheer hostility of Bernie's campaign, it's fucking laudable that they actually didn't try to rig the primary. Hell, the utter lack of corrupt or unethical activity exposed in the various email leaks should the real shock here.

11/9/2017 10:21:38 AM

i already dropped the mic on you

11/9/2017 10:22:57 AM

^This is what losing an argument looks like.

Quote :

"so basically your argument is that the vice president, 2 senators, and 2 governors are not potential legitimate primary challengers so it's okay for the democratic party to have an unfair primary and just appoint clinton from the beginning. "

Nope, that wasn't my argument at all and now you're just practicing revisionist history by pretending any of those people were thought of as legitimate challengers to Hillary in September 2015. You still can't show me one single example of an "unfair primary", just continuing to move goalposts. I mean, you're telling me now Lincoln Chafee or Martin O'Malley ever had a chance of winning the nomination?

[Edited on November 9, 2017 at 10:30 AM. Reason : .]

11/9/2017 10:29:03 AM

you literally just said the agreement was okay because at the time there wasn't anyone else

but at the time there was everyone else

you are a joke

11/9/2017 10:31:45 AM

lol 'hostile Bernie campaign' you're absurd.

11/9/2017 10:32:12 AM

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"you literally just said the agreement was okay because at the time there wasn't anyone else"

No, that's not "literally" what I said at all, which along with "rigged" and "unfair" is another word you don't seem to know the definition of.

11/9/2017 10:34:10 AM

Quote :

"Not to mention, all of this ignores that when this agreement was entered into in 2015, Bernie (nor anyone else) was on anybody's radar as a legitimate primary challenger to Hillary. The idea that Hillary and the DNC did all this to "rig" a nominating process everyone thought was already in the bag is just plain laughable. They did it because they didn't want to pump money into a broke organization while leaving it in the hands of the same people who ran it into the ground."

facts:
Biden hadn't ruled out a run yet
Sanders launched his campaign before this agreement
O'Malley launched his campaign before this agreement
Chafee launched his campaign before this agreement
Webb launched his campaign before this announcement
I think Lessig was in the news at this point, he launched his campaign shortly after the agreement

so basically your argument is that the vice president, 2 senators, and 2 governors are not potential legitimate primary challengers so it's okay for the democratic party to have an unfair primary and just appoint clinton from the beginning.



[Edited on November 9, 2017 at 10:21 AM. Reason : thanks at least for being such a transparent shill]

11/9/2017 10:37:31 AM

lol that's like the third time you've just requoted something that is totally irrelevant to the argument that the primary was rigged or the DNC treated Bernie unfairly. You have literally nothing.

[Edited on November 9, 2017 at 10:43 AM. Reason : literally]

11/9/2017 10:42:27 AM

The really sad thing about this is I actually like Bernie. I like the way he frames the health care debate, the need for greater access to higher education, and income inequality. The only thing I didn't like is the way he conducted his campaign after it was clear he lost and this continued insistence by his supporters that he was screwed by the DNC in some way or another. It's unproductive and self-defeating, especially considering recent events.

[Edited on November 9, 2017 at 11:21 AM. Reason : .]

11/9/2017 11:20:27 AM

yeah, it was soo terrible of him to campaign for clinton

11/9/2017 11:33:10 AM

Perhaps because he was telling the truth? Because he was screwed over?

11/9/2017 11:34:08 AM

Yeah, it was really uncool of him to not immediately rollover after it was clear that The Clinton Machine had commandeered the party and had no intention of allowing a fair fight.

11/9/2017 11:34:14 AM

We've already established on this page that there is absolutely no evidence that he was screwed over or the Clinton campaign engineered an unfair fight. I haven't even seen a legitimate attempt at theorycrafting how they could have leveraged the control they had over the DNC to do so. Probably because you know that there is no way they could have since the DNC doesn't run primary elections, states do. This is really no different than any other Clinton scandal that fall apart when subjected to an iota of critical thought.

11/9/2017 12:02:02 PM

what an absolute doughnut

okay just ignore the memo, got it

11/9/2017 12:11:52 PM