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"Bush is pretty much the Vick of running backs"

you mean overrated as shit?

all flash and no substance?

hell I'd probably rather have Vick as a running back than Bush

9/7/2006 2:03:05 PM

yeah vick is the best player EVAR

9/7/2006 2:03:24 PM

Yeah the falcons have dramatically increased their revenue with Vick... although there are two differences

1) Vick is a QB which is obviously more marketable than an RB.... LDTomlinson has been pretty amazing the past few years but he isnt even worth as much in exposure/merchandise as an above average QB like Roethlisberger...

2) Vick instantly turned the lowly Falcons into a winner. Bush's mere presence likely wouldnt be enough to turn the Texans into a winner

9/7/2006 2:04:29 PM

Yeah, you are right with the RB not being as marketable as a QB, but Bush is still 10x more marketable than Mario.


^^^So what are you gonna say if Vick manhandles the Panthers this weekend? Will that be enough to shut you up, because he has pretty much personally owned them the past 4 years or so.

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 2:07 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2006 2:05:41 PM

Seeing what Bush is doing for New Orleans (the city not the organization) already shows his marketability. Reggie Bush, to me, is one of the most marketable football figures right out of college in a LONG, LONG time..

9/7/2006 2:07:10 PM

nobody is saying Mario is more marketable than Bush

hell Peppers is one of the best defensive players in the league and he isnt as marketable as a rookie running back who's never played a single snap in a regular season game

but marketability doesnt win games, see the New England Patriots

Quote :

"So what are you gonna say if Vick manhandles the Panthers this weekend? Will that be enough to shut you up, because he has pretty much personally owned them the past 4 years or so. "

i'll give you a few years ago...but last year we swept those faggots...please do a little research before you continue to look like an uninformed fool

9/7/2006 2:08:12 PM

The thing is... you just take Bush... please the fans

Football is a buisness. You give the consumer what they want. They wanted Bush.

If Bush turns out to be a bust oh well....

If Mario turns out to be a bust and Bush is as great as he looks like he'll be.... your franchise might take a decade to recover.

From a football standpoint, i dont have a problem with Mario over Bush.

From a franchise standpoint, I'd be fucking pissed if I was a fan.

9/7/2006 2:08:45 PM

There is a reason defensive players rarely go number 1. Think about that. And don't tell me "Oh well Mario is just that badass" Because he isn't.


^That pretty much sums it up. Lets be done with this.



[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 2:10 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2006 2:09:06 PM

^you agree with rally on this part too?

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"From a football standpoint, i dont have a problem with Mario over Bush"

9/7/2006 2:10:07 PM

To a degree, but not totally. Im not saying Mario is gonna be a bust, and I am not saying he isnt going to help his team, but Bush has WAY more upside than Mario did. And thats why they should have taken him. That franchise is pure shit with a small fanbase, so why do you wanna go piss off what few fans you have? If the Texans were a solid established team, I could understand taking Mario over Bush, but the Texans need all the help and exposure they can get, because with either of these players, they are still going to suck.

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 2:12 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2006 2:10:53 PM

like i said earlier, referring to you in the third person in this quote:

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"i just dont understand why he cant delay his assessment of "Reggie vs. Mario" until the season gets going...but oh well"

9/7/2006 2:12:47 PM

Because that wasn't the point of this thread or article.

9/7/2006 2:17:46 PM

the point of this thread is that you know more than anybody else, including the texans and saints

9/7/2006 2:18:38 PM

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"Yeah the falcons have dramatically increased their revenue with Vick"

Vick isn't the only reason the Falcons have increased revenue though. He is certainly a big part of it, but Arthur Blank deserves a lot of credit. He came into Atlanta and lowered ticket prices, parking prices, food prices, etc. and began advertising the team and spending money on FAs which all helped ignite the fan base.

9/7/2006 2:20:32 PM

nobody gave a fuck about the falcons before vick showed up

9/7/2006 2:21:18 PM

^^Dude, you are an idiot if you dont think the sole reason the Falcons make shit tons of money now isn't entirely based on Vick coming to Atlanta.

^And finally we agree on something!

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 2:25 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2006 2:25:07 PM

mactuckizzle is an idiot

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 2:31 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2006 2:31:27 PM

^^nobody is arguing that Bush wont make the Saints money...but the Patriots, for example, proved that you dont have to have flashy things to win multiple titles

9/7/2006 2:36:55 PM

^^ yes

9/7/2006 2:38:44 PM

Its cool, I'd probably hate myself too if I proved myself wrong all the time.

9/7/2006 2:41:31 PM

like when you proved yourself wrong by saying polls didnt mean shit, then bragging about where OSU was ranked in the polls

9/7/2006 3:14:31 PM

pwnt

9/7/2006 5:16:41 PM

wait, NC State went to a bowl last year?

9/7/2006 5:36:16 PM

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"Dude, you are an idiot if you dont think the sole reason the Falcons make shit tons of money now isn't entirely based on Vick coming to Atlanta."

Holy fucking shit you are idiot McGuyer Mactuzzle or whatever the fuck you call yourself. Do you follow the Falcons at all? I am fan of all Atlanta sports and it is well known that much of the Falcons turnaround coincided with the change in ownership to Blank. Vick came in around the same time. Vick is not the sole reason the Falcons sell tickets now. If Blank hadn't lowered the overall costs of going to the games, the Falcons still wouldn't be selling out regardless of whether or not Vick was there.

You don't shit about anything. Why the fuck are you even on an NC State board fucking NC State hating loser.

9/7/2006 6:21:45 PM

lets just wait and see who is better at the end of the season.....my prediction is reggie will become a bust and hated as much as michael vick....mario will do ok but never live up the the #1 pick, and mactuckizzle will go bankrupt for buying a bmw, truck, boat, and a gf

9/7/2006 6:32:49 PM

I love how the arguements morphed from "his stats might not be great but he wins games" to "he makes the team alot of money"


beeeeeeeeautiful

9/7/2006 6:33:31 PM

^^the only people that seem to hate him are people on here because he OWNS your Panthers. And he isn't a bust at all.

haha, and I didn't buy shit, my mom paid for them all, she isn't going bankrupt, and neither am I. Nor did I pay for my GF. Don't hate what you don't have, its tacky.

Oh, and you forgot my 4Runner too.

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 6:47 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2006 6:46:17 PM

Quote :

"Holy fucking shit you are idiot McGuyer Mactuzzle or whatever the fuck you call yourself. Do you follow the Falcons at all? I am fan of all Atlanta sports and it is well known that much of the Falcons turnaround coincided with the change in ownership to Blank. Vick came in around the same time. Vick is not the sole reason the Falcons sell tickets now. If Blank hadn't lowered the overall costs of going to the games, the Falcons still wouldn't be selling out regardless of whether or not Vick was there. You don't shit about anything. Why the fuck are you even on an NC State board fucking NC State hating loser. "

That had pretty much nothing to do with it. You can't market a team or lower the prices of tickets and expect fans to come if you have nothing to show them. The fans came/come to see Vick, plain and simple. You are just kidding yourself if you don't think Vick is responsible for turning that franchise around. His first year shit didn't happen, and once Vick started playing, BOOM, shit blew up big time. Ticket prices don't sell out a fucking stadium you moron. Badass players and teams do. Atleast in Atlanta.....in football atleast. You can't really say that about the Braves because baseball is boring.

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 7:33 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2006 7:33:11 PM

The Falcons fucking suck. Atlanta sports in general is a joke, along wtih the traffic. Such a shithole.

At least Athens is nearby, and it's nice.

9/7/2006 7:36:27 PM

Quit trying to troll me man, you are doing a terrible job.

9/7/2006 7:37:37 PM

Actually you're pretty easy to troll. After all, your fucking mom bought that ugly boat in your gallery. You've done a fair job of self-trolling.

9/7/2006 7:40:07 PM

Once again, stop attempting to troll me man, its getting pathetic. So what, my mom paid for all my shit, who cares, like you would turn it down if yours did. My mom has money and buys me shit, so, get over it. And I could care less if you think the boat is ugly, you're never gonna see it or be on it, so I could give two shits. If you knew anything about wake boarding boats, you would realize its pretty badass. But I guess you spend too much time gaying it up with your fucking cat to be interested in things like that.

Oh, she also just paid for my condo I moved into, so go ahead and troll me on that too since you would probably think its ugly too

Oh, and lets not forget the most important part, I have a boat....and you don't.


/discussion

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 7:45 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2006 7:43:57 PM

yah, ok man I guess so. lol.

9/7/2006 7:44:50 PM

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"so I could give two shits. "

the dumb shit flows from this one's mouth like a geyser

9/7/2006 7:45:47 PM

I don't care

9/7/2006 7:46:09 PM

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"the only people that seem to hate him are people on here because he OWNS your Panthers"

Quote :

"2005 Carolina Panthers results: ..... Dec 4 - Atlanta - W (24-6) ..... Jan 1 - at Atlanta - W (44-11)"

Did Vick sell the Panthers at the beginning of last year when the Panthers raped the Falcons a combined 68-17?

9/7/2006 7:59:53 PM

You know how i know your gay?
You talked about Vanity Fair in anarticle about football.

But seriously, you have to know what your talking about before you make statements like this. Look at the teams that have won the past several Superbowls and you'll notice a trend: Defence wins Championships. I think it's too early to come to any conclusions on this but let me tell you why the texans made the right choice.

1. Mario will be able to make an immediate impact rushing the passer at defensive end while Reggie Bush will have to struggle against three of the NFL's best defenses in his division.

2. The Texans followed through with their defensive draft strategy by drafting a run stopping line backer, Demeco Ryans from Alabama, in the second round, building a solid defensive foundation.

3. The Texans were the second to worst Defense in the NFL last year.

4. Reggie Bush wasn't even the best running back at USC, Lindell White is the prototypical NFL back who can carry the ball 20 times a game. At 6'0, 203 Bush will be a pass recieving back.

5. Even if the Texans had drafted Reggie Bush, he would not have had the one thing a running back can not be successfull in the NFL without: AN OFFENSIVE LINE!

Mario Williams was the right pick for what the Texans are trying to do down the road: win a championship. New Orleans bought into the Reggie Bush hype like everyone else. The fact of the matter is that Reggie Bushe's ceiling could be incredibly low, so comparing this to Bowie over Jordan is completely over the top. Welcome to reality.

9/7/2006 8:09:15 PM

Too bad pretty much everyone involved in sports, gets paid to write about sports, and is on TV talking about sports thinks you are wrong. Bet hey, as long as you think you are right, thats all that matters. And show me where the fuck I quoted Vanity Fair

^^Wow it took you like 4 years but you finally won. Remember that time Vick didn't play the entire year but like the last 4 games, and came back and completely OWNED the Panthers...again. That was great.

[Edited on September 7, 2006 at 8:12 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2006 8:11:01 PM

Too bad pretty much everyone involved in sports, gets paid to write about sports, and is on TV talking about sports knows that neither player has played a single snap in an NFL game and only time will tell.

9/7/2006 8:12:43 PM

Wow, are you not paying attention? THAT WAS NOT THE POINT OF THE ARTICLE I POSTED OR THIS THREAD.

9/7/2006 8:13:40 PM

the point of this thread is for everyone with common sense to inform you that only time will tell and your article is simply opinion

9/7/2006 8:15:11 PM

Sure, in time it may be wrong, but right now the correct pick is Bush. You really cant argue with that.

9/7/2006 8:20:19 PM

right now there is no correct pick you jackass...NEITHER...ONE...OF...THEM...HAS...PLAYED...A...SINGLE...SNAP...IN...A...GAME

9/7/2006 8:21:43 PM

Time will tell what was the correct pick

TheTuck is trolling you people like he normally does

9/7/2006 8:26:43 PM

^^^ Right now, for what the teams got:

TEXANS:
Help in the trenches (OL & DL help)
A starter in the backfield

vs. SAINTS:
A part time RB
A 6th S, DE, WR

I'd definitely say the Texans did better. The Saints moved down or out of three rounds; each time, someone picked up help at positions they needed & left the Saints shitting their pants and drafting a position they didn't need.

Screw hype, marketability, and all that extracurricular shit. The Texans got better as a football team while the Saints got worse.

9/7/2006 8:37:22 PM

MacGuyver for Texans GM.

He knows more than NFL scouts who watch thousands of college games and scout players for a living.

They have an NFL Scout Major at Georgia State.

Why are you fuckers arguing with this genius?

9/7/2006 8:46:04 PM

Hey, buddy, Mactuzzle or whatever your name is, no need to get your panties all in a twist. I wasn't talking to you about the Vanity Fair thing, I was talking about the guy who wrote the article, and was just joking anyway. I think you got a great point though, because if you saw it on tv or read it in a magazine then it must be true. Those people get paid to write things like that and to be honest its all speculation anyway. All I gave you were a few facts of which there are plenty more. Here's one: Football is won and lost in the trenches no matter what they sey on ESPN. Are you just going to quote other people and cop-out with this "point of the thread," crap? Or do you have anything of your own to add?
Those other guys are right, we'll have to wait and see, but the Texans made the right choice based on what their trying to do now. But never mind me, I've only forgotten more about football than you'll ever know in your life.

9/7/2006 11:19:10 PM

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"MacGuyver for Texans GM. He knows more than NFL scouts who watch thousands of college games and scout players for a living. They have an NFL Scout Major at Georgia State. Why are you fuckers arguing with this genius? "

I seem to know more since the GM in Texas got FIRED after he drafted Mario.

9/7/2006 11:59:53 PM

You still have no reason why almost EVERY sports writer, EVERY sports person on TV, and pretty much anyone else besides NCSU fans think this was the right choice RIGHT NOW.

Quote :

"because if you saw it on tv or read it in a magazine then it must be true. "

So explain why all sports writers defend what I am saying, and why the guy who made the decision to draft Mario got FIRED before the season even started?????

haha, at this point, I dont even care, I have proven what I needed to, and all you guys can say is "OH YEAH! WELL MARIO IS GONNA BE BADASS!!" Well right now he isnt, right now Bush isn't either, but.... right now Bush is selling tickets for the Saints, right now Bush's jersey is selling like crazy, Bush is attracting attention to a team whose previous marketing ploy was "Hey we got hit by a hurricaine. Right now Bush was the correct pic because he helps the Texans, and makes them money. Mario and Bush could both be totally badass, but Bush is going to make them more money. No matter how good both are, the Texans are STILL GOING TO BLOW ASS FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS. That being said, please explain to me how.....passing up on a player who will sell out games, sell jerseys, attract fan interest to a shit team who has no fans, and excite what small fan base they have and attract more fans is the WRONG choice to pick, and in turn, you pick a player that 99% of your FANS DO NOT WANT YOU TO PICK??? Tell me this, and I will shut up. And don't talk about how in the long run Mario is better, because there is no LONG run with the Texans, no matter who the picked, they are gonna suck ass. So atleast pick the player who will make you money during your long and difficult losing years.


PS...I have had a few beers, but I still stand by my shit. So if I DID misspell some shit, or word things wrong, oh well, deal with it.....

[Edited on September 8, 2006 at 12:16 AM. Reason : .]

9/8/2006 12:03:17 AM

And yes, I did say "word things"

9/8/2006 12:18:18 AM