Wow, that was a pretty quick and complete reversal on Trump's Saudi position. Could be all talk, but we'll see.

10/19/2018 8:56:53 PM

Quote :

"Officials back away from initial claim that journalist left Istanbul mission alive The Saudi government said it fired five top officials and arrested 18 other Saudis as a result of an investigation showing that Washington Post contributing columnist Jamal Khashoggi died in a fistfight in the country’s consulate. President Trump responded to the Saudi announcement, saying “I think it’s a great first step.”"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2018/10/19/saudi-government-acknowledges-journalist-jamal-khashaoggi-died-while-in-that-countrys-consulate-in-istanbul/?utm_term=.6f8e02548ce9

He is the absolute worst human being we've ever had for President.

10/19/2018 10:50:14 PM

Lolololololololol a fucking "fistfight" these people can't be serious

10/20/2018 10:10:24 AM

What an idiot! Who tries to fight anyone with a bone saw?!? Nothing to see here folks, move along.

10/20/2018 10:24:18 AM

https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1053558961029500928?s=21

Quote :

"This makes my blood boil. The first thing Trump says after Saudi admits that they killed a Washington Post journalist is basically “yeah, well, they buy a lot of weapons.” And he calls their grisly murder of Jamal an “event.” They murdered him, cut off his head, and lied about it"

Quote :

"WATCH: President Trump responds to question about Saudi state news report confirming death of journalist Jamal Khashoggi: "It's a good first step...it's only a first step, but it's a big first step" "

It seems obvious to me the weapons sale is just cover for the trump’s personal relationship with MBS

Trump make no attempt to avoid corruption or the appearance of corruption. Hopefully people don’t forget a Democratic Government is supposed to be acting in the interests of all people, not just one political party, and definitely not a politicians private interests.

10/20/2018 11:24:03 AM

Dont forget he also just endorsed an American politician physically attacking a media reporter

10/20/2018 11:45:09 AM

y'all remember this? lol

http://digg.com/2018/mohammed-bin-salman-the-rock-dinner-why

Quote :

"Mohammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, began a whirlwind trip to Los Angeles on Monday with a string of meetings with some of the biggest names in entertainment, capped by an intimate dinner at Rupert Murdoch's Bel Air estate. In attendance, sources at the event tell The Hollywood Reporter, were Disney CEO Bob Iger and wife Willow Bay, Universal film chairman Jeff Shell, Fox TV exec Peter Rice and film studio chief Stacey Snider, as well as actors Morgan Freeman, Michael Douglas and, yes, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson."

10/20/2018 12:00:50 PM

Quote :

""WATCH: President Trump responds to question about Saudi state news report confirming death of journalist Jamal Khashoggi: "It's a good first step...it's only a first step, but it's a big first step"

Wasn't he referring to the Saudis admitting culpability with the "first step" comments?

Quote :

"And he calls their grisly murder of Jamal a [horrible] “event.”"

10/20/2018 12:30:07 PM

Quote :

"The first thing Trump says after Saudi admits that they killed a Washington Post journalist is basically “yeah, well, they buy a lot of weapons"

Wasn't that actually the second thing he said?

10/20/2018 12:33:00 PM

Trump is literally giving carte Blanche to the country responsible for 9/11

But her emails...

10/20/2018 1:16:23 PM

The country responsible for 9/11?? What fucking world do you people live in?

Trump does plenty of reprehensible shit on a daily basis that we don't need to stoop to his level and use lies, exaggerations and misquotes to hit him with.

[Edited on October 20, 2018 at 1:34 PM. Reason : I feel like I'm in some shitty FB comments section rn]

10/20/2018 1:27:34 PM

They should have at least as much responsibility as Afghanistan and infinitely more than Iraq

10/20/2018 3:13:13 PM

It's pretty likely

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_Saudi_role_in_September_11_attacks

10/20/2018 3:27:32 PM

Not to mention their role in wahhabism and funding radicalism

10/20/2018 3:44:52 PM

Synapse looking like rjr ITT right now

10/20/2018 4:30:21 PM

Quote :

"Alleged"

[Edited on October 20, 2018 at 7:16 PM. Reason : Pretty sure the country that allowed al qaeda to build bases and train for the attack in their country is "responsible" for the attack, especially from a nation-state perspective.

10/20/2018 7:13:59 PM

Quote :

"The panel's findings 'did not discover' any role by 'senior, high-level' Saudi government officials, said officials familiar with the report,[5] but the "commission’s narrow wording", according to critics, suggests the possibility that "less senior officials or parts of the Saudi government could have played a role"

So maybe, a less senior official "could have played a role". Yeah, the country is totally "responsible for the attack"

10/20/2018 7:22:19 PM

it's okay to be wrong sometimes

10/20/2018 7:33:05 PM

Quote :

"Not to mention their role in wahhabism and funding radicalism"

Exactly!

^^yea, in the exact same way the responsibility for what happened in Turkey somehow stops just one level below MBS...

[Edited on October 20, 2018 at 9:11 PM. Reason : a]

10/20/2018 9:08:56 PM

Ok you guys are right. Saudi Arabia did 9/11. Not Afghanistan.

[Edited on October 21, 2018 at 12:21 AM. Reason : The whole point is dumb anyway. We weren't attacked by a nation-state.]

10/21/2018 12:21:08 AM

I can tell you, as someone of Arab descent, we can not eat oil. Gotta sell it to someone, so I'm gonna need a lot of convincing to believe the Saudi royals colluded with al-Qaeda to potentially destroy their entire relationship with the West.

What would that support even look like? Bin-Laden was a pariah to the House of Saud and didn't need their money. The operation was run mostly of Afghanistan and a cell in Germany. Maybe some Saudis used their connection to help setup the hijackers once they were here, but hell, that could have been done without knowledge of who or what they were doing it for.

Anyway, I agree that Trump and the Saudis do plenty of terrible shit without needing to drum up dubious claims.

10/21/2018 10:33:00 AM

"I'm of Arab descent so I'm going to ignore the facts and Saudis role in spreading radicalism because I'm Arab descent"

?

[Edited on October 21, 2018 at 10:53 AM. Reason : .]

10/21/2018 10:49:32 AM

Yeah that's what I said. "Spreading radicalism" is a far cry from planning an attack on the Pentagon and White House. Also what facts? There are none implicating the Kingdom in the attack.

[Edited on October 21, 2018 at 11:00 AM. Reason : .]

10/21/2018 10:58:18 AM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_propagation_of_Salafism_and_Wahhabism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks

Oh and Bin Laden was a Saud.

[Edited on October 21, 2018 at 11:08 AM. Reason : A]

10/21/2018 11:07:30 AM

Oh so now governments are responsible for the actions of people they banish from their country. Good to know.

10/21/2018 11:22:10 AM

Glad you skipped the important parts of that post.

10/21/2018 11:34:29 AM

tbf he's skipped over the important parts of every other post itt as well

10/21/2018 11:35:18 AM

Lol

10/21/2018 11:50:19 AM

^^^ Shrike already addressed the other parts

10/21/2018 12:28:14 PM

Quote :

"Oh so now governments are responsible for the actions of people they banish from their country."

You clearly missed the point of what I was saying. The Sauds are responsible for the militant form of Islam they spread as well as its consequences. It's also no coincidence that nearly 100% of the hijackers that pulled off a complex and risky operation like that came from the home base. They're as responsible for it as we are for the insanity in Iraq.

10/21/2018 3:37:20 PM

I like the pivot to spreading radicalism, but it's still nowhere the same level of responsibility for the attack as "allowed al qaeda to build bases and train for the attack"

It's pretty fun to watch you completely ignore Afghanistan's responsibility for the attack over and over.

Quote :

"100% of the hijackers that pulled off a complex and risky operation like that came from the home base"

Nah homey. Their home bases were in Afghanistan, deemed as official guests of that nation's government while they trained for the 9/11 attack. That's direct responsibility, as opposed to this indirect stuff you keep pushing.

10/21/2018 7:26:32 PM

the saudi government played a direct roll, they also spread and fund radicalism

10/21/2018 7:38:20 PM

Did the Saudi government fund the 9/11 attack? That would be a direct role in said attack.

10/21/2018 8:04:24 PM

^

Quote :

"some of the evidence IS in the realm of conspiracy theories, but these few confirmed details are enough to raise my eyebrows. Money was wired through the UAE to the 9/11 hi-jackers, and that money was thought to originated in KSA. I don't know the details here on the tracking of the monies, but it fits the KSA's profile of exporting cash to al-qaeda, Osama, ISIS, and other groups. The government and Royal family have been involved in some extremism export, but wouldn't necessarily be tied to the 9/11 hi-jackers. Omar Al- Bayoumi over in California, basically acting as a handler for several of the hi-jackers. Has been on and off the KSA government payroll for years. Riggs bank dropped Prince Bandar, a KSA ambassador in DC, as a client because it was exposed how much money he had sent to Al-Bayoumi. FBI Document 17 recently released. A hi-jacker had KSA embassy folders with his flight certificate, business cards of KSA officials at the embassy found on an hi-jacker accomplice, KSA embassy person allegedly met with a hi-jacker That Al-Haijji cat with the mansion down in S. Florida is an advisor for the royal family and the FBI has confirmed that several hi-jackers visited his home on multiple occasions. He and his family left the country 2 weeks before 9/11. By in some circles, I basically meant the armchair foreign policy/intelligence community that follows Former Senator Bob Graham, and several other congress folk, who after gaining access to the classified documents, both hint/leak at connections to KSA and write bills that would allow 9/11 victim families to sue KSA - seems like a link must be there. None of this is necessarily damning, and I leave open the possibility that all of the links are coincidental or a product of the KSA exporting religious extremism that al-qaeda just happened to capitalize on. But with so many links it becomes a trend. Add to that, I'd like to see our relationship with KSA be vastly different and, well, I want to see whats in those pages."

Then they released those documents in 2016, which further suggested links to various Saudis, some of which had worked for the Saudi government in the past (see bottom of page 1).

There’s evidence that money flowed from KSA and UAE to extremist imams (who then sent it to terrorists) and possibly even directly to terrorists. As far as I know no senior Saudi official has been connected to that nor has official state money ever been connected directly to terrorists. The main criticism I’ve seen is that we have been “diplomatically” begging KSA to clamp down on extremism export and they continually go through this act of getting tough while in reality the money still flows.
Keep in mind that no one in KSA has the kinds of millions of expendable cash that flowed to terrorists unless the government allows/consents to that person having those means.

As in the quote, when you consider all the different suggestive trend points, the absolute most charitable conclusion you can come to is the KSA government turns a blind eye to terrorist funding. The worst conclusion is they actively funnel money through individuals to maintain deniability.

10/21/2018 8:45:52 PM

Yeah none of that sounds very direct. Maybe those redacted pages can fill some gaps, but for now that's not very compelling in the 9/11 Afghanistan or Saudi discussion.

10/22/2018 10:48:18 AM

It’s cool to see that the Saudis watched Weekend at Bernie’s. Silly me. Clearly American culture is much more impactful than I thought.

10/22/2018 11:55:52 AM

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/silicon-valley-cant-quit-saudi-arabia-even-after-khashoggi.html

10/25/2018 10:55:07 AM

^ what do you expect from a company such as this:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/google-paid-off-androids-andy-rubin-after-sexual-assault.html

10/26/2018 2:50:44 AM

https://news.yahoo.com/in-court-filing-fbi-accidentally-reveals-name-of-saudi-official-suspected-of-directing-support-for-911-hijackers-224555851.html

Quote :

" The reference is to Mussaed Ahmed al-Jarrah, a mid-level Saudi Foreign Ministry official who was assigned to the Saudi Embassy in Washington, D.C., in 1999 and 2000. His duties apparently included overseeing the activities of Ministry of Islamic Affairs employees at Saudi-funded mosques and Islamic centers within the United States. "

Add al-Jarrah to the list of terrorists names every American should know.

Boneheaded mistake by the FBI gives us the Saudi official that was directing Omar Al-Bouyami (described in post above) and probably funneling Prince Bandar’s money to him. The entire article is worth the read as it catches you up on the saga between 9/11 families and KSA, but it also suggests the FBI isn’t sure if al-Jarrah had a role or not (no smoking gun evidence, although this could be ass covering too). If a direct link existed, it would be 100% accurate to say “A Saudi Arabian Official directed/provided support to multiple 9/11 hijackers.”

5/13/2020 5:57:49 AM

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/05/18/pensacola-gunman-was-working-with-al-qaeda-fbi-finds-265136?

Maintaining an intimate relationship with KSA is a security threat. They aren’t gonna stop sending terrorists. Why do we keep sending them military supplies/weapons/training?

5/18/2020 2:07:26 PM

Huh, just days after we learn the State Dept let a KSA terrorist train at a US military installation, we find out Pompeo has refused to talk to an inspector general about Trump’s “emergency” arms sale to KSA. The same Inspector general that Pompeo just fired.

Every time you peel back a layer on our relationship with KSA, it just exposes how crooked it all is.

[Edited on May 18, 2020 at 6:27 PM. Reason : Make that THE EXACT SAME DAY we learned those things]

5/18/2020 6:05:39 PM

https://www.wral.com/us-implicates-saudi-crown-prince-in-journalists-killing/19548008/

2/26/2021 1:34:01 PM

All of this so surprising and shocking.And outrageous. How could anyone have let this happen? Oh wait.

2/26/2021 1:39:51 PM

https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/17/headlines/fbi_documents_reveal_saudi_spy_linked_to_prince_bandar_assisted_9_11_hijackers

Quote :

" Newly released FBI documents reveal a California-based Saudi spy assisted some of the 9/11 hijackers in finding housing in San Diego, and that there was a “50/50 chance” he had “advanced knowledge” of the attack. Omar al Bayoumi had claimed he incidentally befriended the two hijackers but was not involved in their planning. The FBI report found Bayoumi regularly shared his intelligence with Saudi Arabia’s U.S. Ambassador Prince Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud, who was so close to former President George W. Bush that he earned the nickname “Bandar Bush.” The report was written in 2017 but only declassified last week."

I’m still looking for a better link and the actual source documents, but there has not been much coverage of this yet. We now possibly have a direct and confirmed connection between Al-Bayoumi and Prince Bandar, who was serving as KSA’s ambassador in DC. If these two discussed attack planning AT ALL, then I’d say it’s fair to say that KSA was directly involved in 9/11.

3/18/2022 7:56:39 AM

What? KSA involved in 9/11? Who would have thought?

3/18/2022 9:11:06 AM

Quote :

"On the one hand, the Saudi government is one of the most repressive states on earth, a misogynistic theocracy that funds and fuels terrorism all over the world and is committing horrific war crimes in Yemen. On the other hand they are a loyal ally... no wait..."

Quote :

"MBS shouted at Biden’s national security adviser for bringing up Khashoggi and said the US could forget about its request to boost oil production, per WSJ. https://t.co/CkLDfPQksk https://t.co/4nddrzYsvC"

https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1516915001856045056?t=et8ASag-nCGEa7KYpIdxXg&s=19

4/21/2022 10:13:37 PM

How come authoritarians love republicans, and democrats raise gas prices?

4/21/2022 11:26:19 PM

^^ And KSA floated that they would cozy up to China and Russia, instead of helping the world out with the gas crisis. They aren’t our ally and we’ve needed to rethink our Middle East strategy for decades.

^authoritarians love republicans because game recognizes game.

4/22/2022 7:18:16 AM

https://www.propublica.org/article/saudi-officials-may-have-assisted-911-hijackers-new-evidence-suggests

Quote :

"Already, though, information put forward in the plaintiffs’ case — which includes videos, telephone records and other documents that were collected soon after the attacks but were never shared with key investigators — argues for a fundamental reassessment of the Saudi government’s possible involvement with the hijackers. The court files also raise questions about whether the FBI and CIA, which repeatedly dismissed the significance of Saudi links to the hijackers, mishandled or deliberately downplayed evidence of the kingdom’s possible complicity in the attacks that killed 2,977 people and injured thousands more. “Why is this information coming out now?” asked retired FBI agent Daniel Gonzalez, who pursued the Saudi connections for almost 15 years. “We should have had all of this three or four weeks after 9/11.”"

What if the Bush administration are bigger traitors to this country than the Trump Administration? Why is it, when you dig beyond the MSM’s continual tongue bath of the FBI, are they always clowns that don’t seem like they could investigate the difference between their ass and a hole in the ground? Why did the 9/11 families have to go to the UK government to get this damning video evidence released?

Prince Bandar, Al-Bouyami, Al-Alwaki (prob a dozen others) should have been swinging from gallows 4 months after 9/11. Could have saved this country and the world a lot of heartache.


[Edited on September 11, 2024 at 9:28 AM. Reason : NeVeR foRgET1!1!!1!1!1]

9/11/2024 9:24:23 AM

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"Another videotape taken from Bayoumi's Birmingham home is even more at odds with the image he conveyed to the FBI and the 9/11 commission. The video follows Bayoumi as he tours Washington, D.C., with two visiting Saudi clerics early in the summer of 1999. Lawyers for the Saudi government called the recording an innocent souvenir — 'a tourist video that includes footage of artwork, flowerbeds, and a squirrel on the White House lawn.' But the plaintiffs' lawyers posit a more ominous purpose, especially as Bayoumi focuses on his main subject: an extensive presentation of the Capitol building, which is shown from a series of vantage points and in relation to other Washington landmarks. 'We greet you, the esteemed brothers, and we welcome you from Washington,' Bayoumi says on the video. Later, standing before the camera, he reports as 'Omar al-Bayoumi from Capitol Hill, the Capitol building.' The footage shows the Capitol from various angles, noting architectural features, entrances and the movement of security guards. Bayoumi sprinkles his narration with religious language and refers to a 'plan.'"

9/11/2024 5:44:50 PM