^ lol okay.

12/3/2015 4:31:30 AM

The fact they left behind bombs, that luckily didn't go off, is enough to know this wasn't just a random pissed off guy coming back to shoot up a place. I wonder if they were headed back to the scene to get close enough to detonate the bombs with the remote control with police inside. Hopefully they can find some info as to the motive because it's definitely puzzling.

12/3/2015 7:05:46 AM

Apparently the man was born here in America, and the wife had immigrated from Pakistan. This whole situation just seems...weird.

If this was ISIS related don't you think they would've been all over claiming responsibility by now?

12/3/2015 7:43:31 AM

It is possible they were just ISIS sympathizers or as I said maybe this wasn't the attack they were supposed to carry out and this guy just winged it after a heated argument thinking this was as good a soft target as any. Who knows, just the whole I got mad and came back to shoot someone angle by itself doesn't make any sense.

12/3/2015 8:14:09 AM

He was born and raised in America (Illinois) and went to Saudi Arabia last year and came back with this wife. My dumb guess since we are all making them is the wife was radicalized and mind fucked him into it as well.

I was wrong as it seems this is an Islamic terror attack but the whole situation and target is just... weird.

(WRAL article had info)

12/3/2015 8:26:39 AM

i blame women.


(also i haven't watched the news in like 2 weeks, so my info on this comes almost solely from TWW and facebook.)

12/3/2015 8:42:07 AM

12/3/2015 8:45:43 AM

Such a strange story, apparently they had a 6 month old daughter they left at a grandparents house.

12/3/2015 8:50:52 AM

I knew it wast the girl that they originally ID'd. Stupid media

12/3/2015 9:18:11 AM

so you're telling me initial information in a breaking news situation isn't always accurate?

12/3/2015 9:55:49 AM

Does anyone else think this whole thing is strange? I mean, the whole situation is just odd. Weird even.

12/3/2015 10:01:50 AM

the only thing weird about it is watching the FBI and the media refusing to call a spade a spade.

How long until the GoPro video footage gets leaked?

12/3/2015 10:03:50 AM

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"so you're telling me initial information in a breaking news situation isn't always accurate?"

It is especially if your "news source" is more focused on reinforcing a political narrative rather than reporting what happens.

HuffPost, MSNBC were the ones that jumped on that boat.

12/3/2015 10:07:51 AM

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"so you're telling me initial information in a breaking news situation isn't always accurate?"

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"HuffPost, MSNBC were the ones that jumped on that boat."

Did they initially report the shooting took place at a PP clinic? Link us if so...I didn't see it.

[Edited on December 3, 2015 at 10:28 AM. Reason : Offer open to both of you]

12/3/2015 10:26:45 AM

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"speculation mounted that the pair left their "IED factory" home hell-bent on jihad."

Foxnews finally couldn't stand it and had to throw that in there haha

12/3/2015 10:35:16 AM

Full sequence, witness accounts, tons of pics, videos, and links to MSM news sources. For those of you who abstain from following the "fog of war" during such incidents as I do, this is all you need:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344350/Devout-Muslim-citizen-Saudi-wife-living-American-Dream-identified-heavily-armed-duo-burst-office-holiday-party-slaughtered-14-leaving-baby-mother.html

12/3/2015 10:36:10 AM

mmmm dailymail. such a reputable source.

12/3/2015 10:51:28 AM

So he shot up his coworkers after getting pissed off at the Holiday party?

12/3/2015 10:52:21 AM

Aha, so there was another mass shooting yesterday which left 1 dead and 3 injured

http://m.mic.com/articles/129608/the-other-mass-shooting-on-wednesday-that-you-didn-t-hear-about

12/3/2015 10:57:38 AM

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"So he shot up his coworkers after getting pissed off at the Holiday party?"

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"The fact they left behind bombs, that luckily didn't go off, is enough to know this wasn't just a random pissed off guy coming back to shoot up a place."

12/3/2015 11:07:36 AM

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"cops shot up a black SUV killin a dude looks like #blackSUVlivesmatter"

LAWLZ

12/3/2015 11:18:00 AM

Not necessarily.

For all we know he could have been a bomb hobbyist. We already know he was a gun nut, so...

12/3/2015 11:18:45 AM

IBT presidential lecture on not jumping to conclusions, that this is workplace violence, and how our culture caused this because we had a Christmas party. It's coming folks.

Also, if you see something, say something. Unless you're afraid of being caled a racist.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/authorities-search-redlands-home-tied-to-suspect-syed-farook/

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"A man who has been working in the area said he noticed a half-dozen Middle Eastern men in the area in recent weeks, but decided not to report anything since he did not wish to racially profile those people. "

12/3/2015 11:19:12 AM

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"Also, if you see something, say something."

the dude was of south asian descent, and his wife was from pakistan/saudi arabia and they were muslim, so would it really be "suspicous" to see 6 middle-eastern-looking men around his house? I mean, his whole family and many of their friends probably look middle-eastern. If they weren't doing anything obviously suspcious, what would you report? "Hey, my neighbors look middle-eastern and I've seen middle-eastern people hanging around his apartment"?


[Edited on December 3, 2015 at 11:25 AM. Reason : ]

12/3/2015 11:22:31 AM

There was another neighbor who was saying they noticed both of them working in their garage making a lot of noise late into the night almost every night and nearly contacted police but again was concerned about being labeled a racist or racial profiler.

12/3/2015 11:29:20 AM

Keep the hearsay coming folks. By lunchtime, we should have this whole caper solved. To the Mystery Machine!

12/3/2015 11:34:53 AM

^^Given the media's coverage of the Ahmed clock boy I can see why. That epidemic of Islamaphobia

[Edited on December 3, 2015 at 11:35 AM. Reason : .]

12/3/2015 11:35:26 AM

Where are your snarky comments in the Colorado Terrorist's (http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=646439) thread?

One of your right wing nutbag compatriots goes off the reservation, but let's ignore that. Right?

[Edited on December 3, 2015 at 11:44 AM. Reason : ]

12/3/2015 11:43:01 AM

I mean I get it no one wants to be that neighbor that falsely accuses another neighbor and has cops show up for nothing. I think there is a big difference between seeing other middle eastern people around and someone making loud noises working in their garage late into the night. Whether its shitty or not I feel like if I were middle eastern and a police officer showed up and wanted to at least question why I could be understanding that its better to say something and be wrong then live with knowing you could have stopped something bad from happening. A lot would depend on what the suspicious thing someone thought I was doing though. Granted I would imagine a lot of these neighbors didn't think twice about this stuff until after the fact and now are like ya know there were some signs now that I think of it.

12/3/2015 11:49:56 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_bias

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"Hindsight bias, also known as the knew-it-all-along effect or creeping determinism, is the inclination, after an event has occurred, to see the event as having been predictable, despite there having been little or no objective basis for predicting it.[1][2] It is a multifaceted phenomenon that can affect different stages of designs, processes, contexts, and situations.[3] Hindsight bias may cause memory distortion, where the recollection and reconstruction of content can lead to false theoretical outcomes. It has been suggested that the effect can cause extreme methodological problems while trying to analyze, understand, and interpret results in experimental studies. A basic example of the hindsight bias is when, after viewing the outcome of a potentially unforeseeable event, a person believes he or she "knew it all along". Such examples are present in the writings of historians describing outcomes of battles, physicians recalling clinical trials, and in judicial systems trying to attribute responsibility and predictability of accidents.[4]"

[Edited on December 3, 2015 at 11:54 AM. Reason : ]

12/3/2015 11:53:23 AM

^

12/3/2015 11:56:49 AM

Yep a lot of that type of thing goes on in events like this.

12/3/2015 11:56:51 AM

right, which is exactly why I pointed out that at this point, it's nothing but hearsay

12/3/2015 12:01:26 PM

Weapons purchased legally.

12/3/2015 12:09:55 PM

Just because there exists something called "hindsight bias" doesn't mean this is the case here. Maybe or maybe not.

12/3/2015 12:10:14 PM

And? So is most everything posted here and 75% posted in the news these days. We are all just speculating or passing along things we hear, no problem with that.

12/3/2015 12:11:22 PM

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"Where are your snarky comments in the Colorado Terrorist's thread"

You mean a Synapse thread where he spams a bunch of anecdotal links nonstop instead of articulating an original thought like a big boy? ADD TO MY TOPICS

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"One of your right wing nutbag compatriots goes off the reservation, but let's ignore that. Right?"

Totally. Conservative, terrorist, whats the difference? I was actually good friends with that guy. We just got done protesting gay marriage and thumping bibles, and were on our way to fight #BLM activists at a Trump rally, when he said he had to go shoot up PP.

12/3/2015 12:12:09 PM

^^^^ all of them? I read previously only 2 of the 4 were confirmed to have been legally purchased.

[Edited on December 3, 2015 at 12:12 PM. Reason : ]

12/3/2015 12:12:40 PM

I read the 2 handguns were purchased legally by him and the 2 assault rifles were purchased legally by someone else possibly an old roommate?

12/3/2015 12:15:15 PM

Originally legally purchased.
Those ARs are banned in CA, so they had to have been brought in illegally.
So, they were not, in fact, legal guns in that state.

12/3/2015 12:17:12 PM

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"San Bernardino shooter Syed Rizwan Farook was in touch over the phone and via social media with more than one international terrorism subject who the FBI were already investigating, law enforcement officials said. It appears that Farook was radicalized, which contributed to his motive, though other things -- like workplace grievances -- may have also played a role, other law enforcement sources said."

Per CNN

12/3/2015 12:18:28 PM

I'm not sure about all. I think I read 2 were legally purchased, and the others were still being traced.

12/3/2015 12:18:58 PM

i'd be totally fine with getting rid of the constitution if it means we could stop a few dozen of these shootings.

Rather be wrong and safe than free and "PC" right?

12/3/2015 12:21:42 PM

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"We are all just speculating or passing along things we hear, no problem with that. "

And you all are doing a bang-up job of sounding intelligent while doing so. Right?

12/3/2015 12:26:52 PM

i haven't been following this, did they find the 3rd guy or was there no 3rd shooter?

12/3/2015 12:29:13 PM

I don't want to turn this into a gun control debate but I think we need to settle somewhere in the middle. People should be allowed to own handguns or rifles/shotguns, but I think a good step would be to just outlaw owning of these assault rifles. There is no good reason to have them other than you are obsessed with guns or to easily kill a large number of people. Yes criminals will still find ways to get them but lets at least make it more difficult.

12/3/2015 12:30:02 PM

12/3/2015 12:31:13 PM

but what if theres 30 people who make an assault on my property with handguns. In that case, I need something to take all of them out. Thats why I keep my AR-15 with scope to protect my home and family.

12/3/2015 12:32:00 PM

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"Yes criminals will still find ways to get them but lets at least make it more difficult for law abiding citizens."

Handguns are much more dangerous in these situations given that they are concealable and just as effective shooting up confined "gun free zones". "Assualt" doesn't really mean anything, these are legal semi-automatic rifles. Feel-good legislation doesn't actually do anything.

[Edited on December 3, 2015 at 12:37 PM. Reason : .]

12/3/2015 12:34:27 PM

The trouble with law abiding citizens is that can quickly becoming criminals once they get angry.

12/3/2015 12:35:56 PM