gotcha. that's good. will be interesting to see how we utilize the TE position. obviously we don't throw to the TE much, but how much of that is a product of ignoring the traditional TE in favor of a playmaker like Jay Sam?

1/9/2018 3:35:06 PM

I think Drink's offense can utilize a more traditional TE, think he modified it because JSam was special.

I also find it amusing how many recruits mention that we recruit them and point out we want to use them like JSam, I've seen it from RBs and TEs. Angeline even said that, but we're talking about a 6'7" big body that is agile with terrific hands(apparently had 0 drops in camp last year for USC). I see him being more of a traditional TE that can flex out and can just be a match-up nightmare.

It's why I said we'd need to use more that 1 guy to "replace" JSam. I think we could use a guy like Person in the running/end-around/motion that we used with JSam and a guy like Angeline as more of a TE/WR option that JSam provided.

1/10/2018 7:50:20 AM

6'7???

Holy cow

1/10/2018 8:54:28 AM

6'7" is not TE sized

1/10/2018 9:06:44 AM

^It's not?

Zach Ertz - 6'5"
Greg Olsen - 6'5"
Travis Kelce - 6'6"
Gronk - 6'6"
Tyler Eifert - 6'6"
Jimmy Graham - 6'7"

Top TE prospects for the '18 draft:
Hayden Hurst - 6'5"
Mark Andrews - 6'5"
Ryan Izzo - 6'5"
Troy Fumagalli - 6'6"
Dalton Schultz - 6'6"
Mike Gesicki - 6'6'

I think JSam at 5'11" is actually more of an oddity at "TE". Angeline could probably add 10-20lbs of good weight and have a NFL TE body at 6'7 250-260lbs.

1/10/2018 10:19:03 AM

Wow, I had no idea they were that tall. I thought that was "insane WR size"

I stand corrected.

1/10/2018 10:35:26 AM

^^i think the "jaysam is a TE" myth was put to bed long ago.

1/10/2018 10:59:33 AM

^^I think the gigantic pass-catching TE thing is a newer thing than say 7-8 years ago. Now a lot of the pass-catching TE's are just big WR's that aren't speedsters and instead bulk up and learn how to block. It's why there was the big rush for converting former basketball players to TE following Gates's success.

^That's why I put "TE" when referring to JSam. We're talking about using a mix of RB/TE's to replace his productivity, and he's listed on the NFL draft sites right now as a TE. JSam is a jack-of-all-trades on offense, but I don't really see the NFL embracing the "APB" label, so he's going to be classified as either a RB or TE.

1/10/2018 11:26:32 AM

^^^ And you wanna be my Sports Talk mod...pssh

1/10/2018 11:41:20 AM

^I just want to make game threads and suspend E-man. I don't proclaim to be a sports expert.

1/10/2018 12:14:29 PM

^ that is good enough for me.

1/10/2018 3:32:01 PM

Hines gone

FUCK

[Edited on January 12, 2018 at 12:54 PM. Reason : Ricky person, spotlight just turned on you! ]

1/12/2018 12:50:42 PM

we'll be alright

1/12/2018 12:57:06 PM

Really didnt see that coming.

I guess RP will be the guy a year earlier than expected.

1/12/2018 12:58:55 PM

Crap. Good luck!

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/garner-native-nc-state-star-rb-nyheim-hines-declares-for-nfl-draft/17252759/

1/12/2018 1:01:59 PM

wow really.

1/12/2018 1:03:39 PM

Good luck!

1/12/2018 1:10:57 PM

That sucks for us but can't blame him for wanting to get paid. I hope we have some electric freshman coming in because our offense wasn't near as effective without him in the game last season.

1/12/2018 1:20:08 PM

Fuck, but can't blame him for going dat paper. But still fuck man

1/12/2018 1:34:30 PM

That's unfortunate.

Between Gallaspy, Collins, and Person...we should be fine at running back...but Hines was definitely a game changer. But if Gallaspy can trim a few lbs and pick up the pace and Collins is as advertised (been very impressive in practice), then our offense should still be humming next year. Person is no joke and Pennix is solid too.

1/12/2018 1:51:25 PM

Byeheim

1/12/2018 2:07:40 PM

damn, out of ALL the players who had the possibility to leave, I thought Hines would've been the least likely to go. Best of luck to him!

1/12/2018 3:15:09 PM

^ yeah that’s what I thought as well. Oh well. I think he’ll test well at the combine.

1/12/2018 3:37:41 PM

In the blackout we lost our best run blocker to the NFL

1/12/2018 9:24:44 PM

he waited until tww blacked out to announce

1/12/2018 9:25:48 PM

man we can never survive early entry. this could've been the year where all the stars finally aligned for us. its going to take a bunch of guys like this returning at once for us to ever make the jump to being a championship team.

[Edited on January 12, 2018 at 11:02 PM. Reason : always on the cups of greatness]

1/12/2018 11:01:27 PM

like is this the price we pay for the back to back basketball wins.

1/12/2018 11:19:34 PM

^this exactly. The Fates have taken their price in blood.


Byheim

1/13/2018 8:12:57 AM

Next man up. If youre gonna get talent and get good results...this is what happens.

1/13/2018 8:14:56 AM

McClendon is transferring after graduation

1/15/2018 2:46:29 PM

Completely not a surprise

1/15/2018 2:50:18 PM

yeah that seemed like an obvious decision for him. hope he does well wherever he goes.

1/15/2018 3:09:44 PM

Wasn't he a 5-star QB coming out of HS? Seemed to never figure out college football. Best of luck to him.

1/15/2018 3:34:24 PM

4 star. #8 QB in NC #170 overall

1/15/2018 3:36:41 PM

he beat nd and would have been good if he was playing this year.

1/15/2018 4:22:17 PM

^^^hard to tell how good he is. he would've had to beat out Jacoby and Finley to start, so it's not like scrubs were starting ahead of him. he made some mistakes in limited action in 2016 but that was probably him just pressing to make a throw and earn more PT. definitely wouldn't have beaten ND without him, like ^ said.

1/15/2018 4:28:04 PM

1/17/2018 2:08:04 PM

Bye week before Clemson is good. Very tough back half of the schedule.

1/17/2018 2:09:43 PM

Nice to play BC before Clemson for a change. Didn't register there is also a bye, good stuff.

Hmm clemson has bye too. 11 acc teams have bye either 10/13 or -10/20

That wake game looks dangerous. Strong O, short week, post fsu, wake has Cuse at home before



[Edited on January 17, 2018 at 2:13 PM. Reason : E]

[Edited on January 17, 2018 at 2:19 PM. Reason : E]

1/17/2018 2:10:06 PM

^ didnt wofford graduate?

1/17/2018 2:48:51 PM

Yeah Wake's best offensive and defensive players are both gone.

1/17/2018 3:06:15 PM

We should be 6-0 heading into the Clemson game, even without the players we're losing.

1/17/2018 3:08:34 PM

Yea sorry I was projecting a tad bc I think Hinton will be pretty good and their receivers tore us up this year. And that was without Dortch


Also our best offensive and defensive players are gone too

[Edited on January 17, 2018 at 3:12 PM. Reason : E]

1/17/2018 3:10:08 PM

i wouldve beem confident about beating wvu with hines but now it looks like we will be pass heavy and get into a shootout imstead of 200+ yards rushing

1/17/2018 3:15:29 PM

Quote :

"We should be 6-0 heading into the Clemson game, even without the players we're losing."

Idk about “should”. But definitely “could”. WV will be tough. I expect BC to be solid this year too...but we ought to beat them at home.

[Edited on January 17, 2018 at 3:19 PM. Reason : My wedding day is the day of the Clemson game ]

1/17/2018 3:18:02 PM

Hinton hasn't been good in the past and I don't expect that to change his final year. He's a good runner but below-average passer. I also think that offense made Dortch look good, as he went down and another WR stepped up and started putting up solid numbers.

Wake will be good but I expect not as good as this year. Basically expect them to be like Syracuse where people realize how much their QBs were carrying their teams.

1/18/2018 9:15:28 AM

Looks like another disappointing 11-1 season, not winning our division

1/18/2018 10:52:33 AM

I'd think if State went 11-1 with loss @Clemson, there would be that outside shot at the CFP (if losses mount up for teams in other conferences) in most years. But it'd definitely would have been a long shot this year with so many other one loss teams.

1/18/2018 11:16:55 AM

This is obviously a ridiculous conversation. But yes. At 11-1 any p5 team is at least gonna be in the discussion and with a break could make it.

1/18/2018 11:23:08 AM

Problem will be we'd be 11-1 with, at most, 2 ranked wins(WVU and FSU). Also, let's be honest guys, 11-1 would have been a longshot even with Hines and Richardson.

9-3(6-2) regular season with a chance at a bowl game and 10 wins would be another good season and keep the momentum with recruiting going.

I'm OK with not winning the conference, Clemson is insanely stacked on both sides of the ball. Feels like you can basically pencil in Clemson and Bama in the CFP this year.

1/18/2018 11:40:53 AM