Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
I hate to question his effort because you never really know for sure, but Peppers probably gave us 75-80 percent his last few years here. It was pretty obvious to anyone watching, so I'm sure that played just as big a factor as his actual stats in the contract negotiations. 7/26/2011 10:21:13 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
Ernie liked his late hit on Rodgers
(as a Panther a few years back, not referring to anything he did as a Bear)] 7/26/2011 10:23:24 PM |
Ribs All American 10713 Posts user info edit post |
It was a pretty impressive season for him though. No Peppers to command attention, no tackle help to speak of and Brayton on the other side. He was all alone out there and came back with 11.5 sacks.
Now, given our division quarterbacks, defensive end was probably the #1 priority here.
Hardy Johnson
[Edited on July 26, 2011 at 10:24 PM. Reason : ^ I need to find that gif] 7/26/2011 10:23:29 PM |
DalesDeadBug In Pressed Silk 2978 Posts user info edit post |
^John Clayton made a good point about that, in regards to not having Peppers around, and the interior of the line was shitty
additionally, the Panthers were almost always playing from behind, so he was facing a lot of teams who were running the ball towards the end of the game, yet still notched 11.5 sacks
take it for what it's worth 7/26/2011 10:32:24 PM |
Prawn Star All American 7643 Posts user info edit post |
Meeks' defensive schemes free the D-Ends to shoot up the field without worrying about their gaps. While his scheme is heavily reliant on quality speed-rushers, they typically great stats in his system.
Rivera will run a D that is more similar to Philly's, with blitzers coming from all over. Don't expect Johnson to get double-digit sacks again. 7/26/2011 10:42:41 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
he's said he'll have elements of the 3-4 defense but we'll still be a 4-3 defense team, so i don't think we should expect as many blitzes as Andy Reid throws out there
hopefully he won't have double digit sacks because 5-6 different Panthers each have 7-8 7/26/2011 10:47:19 PM |
DalesDeadBug In Pressed Silk 2978 Posts user info edit post |
seems like everyone wanted Johnson to resign, and now that he has been signed and the financials are available, everyone is hating on him
what were the Panthers supposed to do? the guy proved he can play, and better to pay him then let him go to the Falcons 7/26/2011 10:47:37 PM |
Prawn Star All American 7643 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "he's said he'll have elements of the 3-4 defense but we'll still be a 4-3 defense team, so i don't think we should expect as many blitzes as Andy Reid throws out there." |
I'm confused. Do you think that Philly runs a 3-4?7/26/2011 10:53:14 PM |
DalesDeadBug In Pressed Silk 2978 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Rivera will run a D that is more similar to Philly's, with blitzers coming from all over. Don't expect Johnson to get double-digit sacks again." |
Trent Cole managed 10 sacks last season, along with 65 tackles, numbers quite comparable to Johnson's.7/26/2011 10:57:25 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
i thought so but i guess now that i think of it they just use a shitload of blitzes, its harder to get away with that in a 4-3 without a good secondary which the Panthers don't have 7/26/2011 10:58:55 PM |
DalesDeadBug In Pressed Silk 2978 Posts user info edit post |
one thing you can say about Johnson is that he rarely if ever got a coverage sack 7/26/2011 11:00:29 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
maybe in 2009 or something but not with last year's cast of misfits 7/26/2011 11:01:42 PM |
DalesDeadBug In Pressed Silk 2978 Posts user info edit post |
the Gamble situation needs to be addressed
and i'm not sold on either Godfrey or Martin
maybe a change in coaching will shine light on these players, good and bad] 7/26/2011 11:04:15 PM |
kevmcd86 All American 5832 Posts user info edit post |
we signed Kendric Burney, duh. at least we know the players have a hookup for parking tickets in Charlotte 7/26/2011 11:06:12 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
i'm convinced that not only is Nnamde gonna get way too much money since like 10 teams will be bidding on him, but that Jonathan Joseph is gonna get paid too much in a bidding war between all the teams that didnt get Asomugha
i dont think Gamble is the problem though, and Godfrey had a decent season last year, but i dunno about Marshall and Munnerlyn, not a huge fan of either 7/26/2011 11:23:13 PM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
can't imagine the jets with both revis and asomugha. that's just downright unfair 7/26/2011 11:26:31 PM |
jprince11 All American 14181 Posts user info edit post |
wow this johnson thing has given me a slight tinge of optimism
now let's hope he wasn't some contract yr fluke
[Edited on July 26, 2011 at 11:45 PM. Reason : k] 7/26/2011 11:44:56 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
since UNC fans have posted back to back in a thread with 'Carolina' in the title, I feel the need to post 41-10
nothing personal, can't let you people take over TWW though] 7/26/2011 11:46:00 PM |
jprince11 All American 14181 Posts user info edit post |
well we could go for 3 but not sure who the third would have been, I guess jctarheel and tuliplovr
and to clarify my last post, I meant a hope as in richardson might actually want to pay for a real team now not like johnson himself is going to turn things around 7/26/2011 11:53:15 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
nah i agree with your post, in fact i think there are a number of TWWers who think Richardson is a cheap owner based solely on last year and not the franchise history
brilliant move (in hindsight) to get the #1 pick when you had a good feeling that you'd be paying him half of what St. Louis gave Bradford a year earlier...assuming Newton becomes a good NFL player
Deangelo's situation will be interesting over the next few days, as well as if they sign T Davis to a longterm deal, who we go after in free agency, whats up with Steve Smith, are we gonna bring in a veteran QB, etc 7/26/2011 11:56:25 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Rivera will run a D that is more similar to Philly's, with blitzers coming from all over. Don't expect Johnson to get double-digit sacks again." |
which is fine since he's also a great run defender
i think he can put up 8 a year for us on average during the contract. don't think it's impossible that he could pop double digits a couple times again, either
people forget he came out of school pretty young. there was a lot of talk that he'd be a first rounder if he went back for his senior year7/27/2011 12:00:40 AM |
Maverick1024 All American 4866 Posts user info edit post |
Speaking of Johnson being drafted, always kind of interesting to look back and see what the "experts" were saying when he was being evaluated. Pretty spot on:
Quote : | "
2007 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report: Charles Johnson, DE, Georgia Charles Johnson had a sensational junior year at Georgia, registering 19 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks. Johnson and teammate Quentin Moses made a dynamic combination at defensive end for Georgia. With his stock value rising, Johnson elected to forego his senior year and enter the 2007 draft.
Johnson is shorter that you would hope for a defensive end, but does have the ideal size in terms of weight (275 lbs) for a pass rushing end in the NFL. He is very solid against the run and effective closing down the running lanes and forcing the ball carrier to the inside. Johnson brings an excellent burst from the edge to get around the offensive tackle and create havoc in the backfield. He also has exceptional strength to overpower most blockers and closing speed to get to the quarterback. Johnson uses his hands well and his low center of gravity to leverage position against opposing blockers.
His inexperience, consistency and tendency to wear down late in the game are concerns to scouts. Many believe he excelled early in the season due to his teammate, Quentin Moses, drawing most of the attention from offensive blocking schemes. Some teams have discussed the possibility of moving him to outside linebacker, but that remains to be seen. Regardless of the concerns, Johnson has a ton of talent and ability to perform at the next level. Johnson made the right decision to declare for the draft and should be a mid-to-late first round pick. " |
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=11757/27/2011 12:10:35 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
lol Quentin Moses, whats he done for anyone lately 7/27/2011 1:38:56 AM |
DalesDeadBug In Pressed Silk 2978 Posts user info edit post |
signed DT Ron Edwards
Quote : | "Yes, John Fox is gone from Carolina. But it looks like the Panthers are going back to the philosophy they followed in his early years.
They’re building around the defensive line. A day after agreeing to terms on a deal that will keep defensive end Charles Johnson with the team, the Panthers have addressed what’s been a glaring weakness in recent years. They just went out and spent some decent money on a defensive tackle in free agency.
They’ve agreed to terms with former Kansas City defensive tackle Ron Edwards, according to Adam Schefter. Edwards has agreed to a three-year deal worth $8.25 million.
Edwards is a pure run-stopper and that’s something the Panthers need. He’s never had more than four sacks in a season, but the Panthers can get those from Johnson and others. They’re bringing in Edwards, 32, to help solidify the run defense.
He’ll act as a bridge and give rookies Terrell McClain and Sione Fua some time to develop." |
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/22737/panthers-keep-working-on-d-line7/27/2011 11:15:28 AM |
Ribs All American 10713 Posts user info edit post |
This sounds like what Kemo's role was for us before.
Just eat up some blocks and let the other down lineman go after it. 7/27/2011 11:23:11 AM |
kevmcd86 All American 5832 Posts user info edit post |
i like it 7/27/2011 11:46:00 AM |
DalesDeadBug In Pressed Silk 2978 Posts user info edit post |
he's 32 which goes against the "youth movement", but i think part of the youth movement was in actuality preparing for the lockout, which resulted in cutting the contracts of more expensive veterans 7/27/2011 1:11:03 PM |
Ribs All American 10713 Posts user info edit post |
Those rookie DT's need to need a vet to show them the ropes.
So we got a teacher and instant production on the line. Win/Win 7/27/2011 1:19:11 PM |
DalesDeadBug In Pressed Silk 2978 Posts user info edit post |
oh definitely
part of me wanted Damione Lewis back, but he's already signed elsewhere...Ron Edwards works for me 7/27/2011 1:26:37 PM |
akaseinfeld All American 1608 Posts user info edit post |
per AdamSchefter :
Carolina and RB DeAngelo Williams reached agreement on a five-year, $43 million deal that includes $21 million in guaranteed money. 7/27/2011 1:37:31 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
Deangelo here for 5 more years 7/27/2011 1:37:49 PM |
dweedle All American 77386 Posts user info edit post |
and nevermind
[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 1:39 PM. Reason : ] 7/27/2011 1:38:56 PM |
hey now Indianapolis Jones 14975 Posts user info edit post |
Da Pantha gon be some dirty niggas now they got DeAngela Willam$ 7/27/2011 1:40:55 PM |
dweedle All American 77386 Posts user info edit post |
i kinda thought williams would end up w/ more $ than charles johnson, but i guess johnson's value will be higher in a few years compared to a RB 7/27/2011 1:42:06 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
it's been a good day and a half 7/27/2011 1:42:43 PM |
akaseinfeld All American 1608 Posts user info edit post |
and here comes our veteran QB
AdamSchefter : Browns releasing QB Jake Delhomme; he would like to continue playing. 7/27/2011 1:50:13 PM |
DalesDeadBug In Pressed Silk 2978 Posts user info edit post |
hell yeah! (to DWill, not Delhomme) 7/27/2011 1:52:00 PM |
dweedle All American 77386 Posts user info edit post |
just offer delhomme 5 dollas guaranteed, like bagger vance got 7/27/2011 1:54:19 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
Just listened to Johnson's interview with PFT
Lets just say he's lucky he's a gifted athlete, because the man can hardly speak English 7/27/2011 1:54:51 PM |
hey now Indianapolis Jones 14975 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "#Fuck DeAngelo Williams is staying in Carolina! I wanted that nigga with the dolphins so bad! W.e on to the next one! Bradshaw/Barber/Bush!" |
Quote : | "My nigga DeAngelo died in 2nd grade at six flags before he could even get in the park" |
Quote : | "deangelo williams iz dope but dat nigga has been gettin hurt lately" |
7/27/2011 1:55:44 PM |
DalesDeadBug In Pressed Silk 2978 Posts user info edit post |
^^haha i just got done listening to that...Florio's interview skills could use some work, there were so many awkward pauses
it's crazy Johnson just met Rivera yesterday, and said he loved how he fit into the scheme...i'm very excited to see what Rivera's defense will look like 7/27/2011 2:07:58 PM |
JP All American 16807 Posts user info edit post |
signed Ben Hartsock to 2-yr deal 7/27/2011 2:14:44 PM |
dweedle All American 77386 Posts user info edit post |
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Ribs All American 10713 Posts user info edit post |
[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 2:30 PM. Reason : double trouble]
7/27/2011 2:19:01 PM |
dweedle All American 77386 Posts user info edit post |
4 years, $12MM for a KICKER?
olindo mare
[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 2:32 PM. Reason : lol $12 sounds about right] 7/27/2011 2:31:50 PM |
therooster All American 2559 Posts user info edit post |
We have an owner that is the leading voice against rising player salaries and within a week of signing the deal he signs Olindo Mare to a 12 M deal? OMG WTF
[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 2:35 PM. Reason : .] 7/27/2011 2:34:47 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
rising rookie player salaries 7/27/2011 2:36:07 PM |
jprince11 All American 14181 Posts user info edit post |
I guess richardson feels he got his way in the lockout and is now actually trying to build a franchise again, I'm still not very enthused until he's done it at the qb position 7/27/2011 2:37:21 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
Golden Boot
[Edited on July 27, 2011 at 2:38 PM. Reason : kickoff specialist???] 7/27/2011 2:37:26 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
Good night, sweet prince?
7/27/2011 2:39:07 PM |