^^ join the conversation then. By all means vent but I do think we have had some pretty good dialogue as to why Trump won and how to address it... as well as giving him a chance to mess up before we accuse him of doing so.

11/10/2016 7:48:20 PM

The trump votes were mostly protest votes...protesting hillary.


Most of the blame goes to the people who supported the only person on the planet who trump could have beaten.

11/10/2016 7:52:54 PM

Protest votes in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Ohio?

Nope, those were voters who actually were listening to him speak about what he wants to do with their lost jobs.

The media was talking about two things:

1) He's a bigot, racist, etc. blah blah blah
2) She's going to win easily

11/10/2016 8:13:54 PM

From Trump's 100 days:

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".... * FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal. * SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward ..... American Energy & Infrastructure Act. Leverages public-private partnerships, and private investments through tax incentives, to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over 10 years. It is revenue neutral .... Restoring Community Safety Act. Reduces surging crime, drugs and violence by creating a Task Force On Violent Crime and increasing funding for programs that train and assist local police; increases resources for federal law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors to dismantle criminal gangs and put violent offenders behind bars. "

Reading between the lines: Standing Rock

11/10/2016 8:32:02 PM

obama clearly doesn't give a shit about standing rock either

hope he proves me wrong in the next two months

[Edited on November 10, 2016 at 8:40 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2016 8:39:29 PM

by doing what?

other than making it a National Park, which I'm not sure he can do because it's on Indian land.

so that's crappy what we did to the Indians...I would think we could re-route the pipeline.

11/10/2016 8:53:02 PM

But if he signed some executive order (the only power he has now at this point), it would get overturned by Trump.

11/10/2016 8:53:31 PM

dude hasn't even made a statement defending the tribe

a progressive champion (bernie, jill) would go out there for a day and stand with them

11/10/2016 9:03:46 PM

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" dude hasn't even made a statement defending the tribe"

Well, he's from Chicago. Was probably pulling for the Cubs, anyway. Unless of course you were talking about Phife Dawg, but that's just sad.


But I all seriousness, the army core of engineers could hold it up, but I'm not exactly sure how.


Honestly, he really just needs to get a justice on the court. Don't think he'll be able to do that, either, though, and that fucking sucks.

His signature piece of legislation, and his legacy of affordable health care will be gone in a few months, so it would be nice if he showed a little hustle these last few months.

11/10/2016 9:27:44 PM

you guys are still hopimg for good in this guy? its only been 8 years...

11/10/2016 9:28:16 PM

you guys are still hopimg for good in this guy? its only been 8 years...

11/10/2016 9:28:52 PM

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/796900183955095552

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"Just had a very open and successful presidential election. Now professional protesters, incited by the media, are protesting. Very unfair!"

Starting to tweet again. Looks like he's dismissing the mass, rampant, visceral opposition to his fact-free, xenophobic, sexist campaign. A president that lost the popular vote that had 52% of people vote against him can't afford to dismiss opposition this way-- this is how fascism starts, failure to reach across the aisle when you don't have the will of the people behind you.

[Edited on November 10, 2016 at 9:50 PM. Reason : ]

11/10/2016 9:45:54 PM

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"And make no mistake, a Republican owned house, Senate, and soon to be supreme court is going to undue the past 8 years immediately. "

And that is wonderful!

11/10/2016 11:32:55 PM

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" he really just needs to get a justice on the court. Don't think he'll be able to do that, either, though, and that fucking sucks."

GO TO BED. YOU'RE WILDLY FUCKING DRUNK IF YOU THINK OBAMA CAN GET ANYONE ELSE ON THE SUPREME COURT.

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"it would be nice if he showed a little hustle these last few months."

What do you expect him to do exactly?

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"Looks like he's dismissing the mass, rampant, visceral opposition to his fact-free, xenophobic, sexist campaign"

Yeah you can add all the scary adjectives you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the dude won.

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"failure to reach across the aisle when you don't have the will of the people behind you. "

Who the fuck needs the "will of the people"/"popular vote mandate" when you have both fucking houses of congress? He's got plenty of capital to spend, not that he even needs it with control of both houses.

[Edited on November 11, 2016 at 12:07 AM. Reason : V He's just getting started. The "worst" is yet to come. Time to pull those cheeks wide]

11/11/2016 12:00:40 AM

^^ you can't even make a coherent argument as to why you feel that way

[Edited on November 11, 2016 at 12:01 AM. Reason : 2016 is just the worst. ]

11/11/2016 12:01:14 AM

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"YOU'RE WILDLY FUCKING DRUNK IF YOU THINK OBAMA CAN GET ANYONE ELSE ON THE SUPREME COURT."

Did you not read the second part of my quote where I said that "I don't think he'll be able to do that." ?

11/11/2016 12:17:02 AM

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"Did you not read the second part of my quote where I said that "I don't think he'll be able to do that."

We're wayyyyy past the point of *thinking* that he might "be able to do that." That ship sailed 8 months ago when Obama nominated Garland and the GOP controlled Senate brilliantly refused to do shit about it. Obama is as lame duck as they come. How are you *thinking* that might even be a possibility at this point?

11/11/2016 12:25:16 AM

Hence my desire to "see a little hustle"


I'm in compete agreement with you. I'd just wish he'd use his popularity and bully pulpit to make it happen.

I KNOW he won't. But I'd like to at least see an effort. It's a total pipe dream. I'm completely aware of that.

[Edited on November 11, 2016 at 12:51 AM. Reason : ]

11/11/2016 12:27:29 AM

Obama should tell congress either they approve Garland or he pardons Hillary.

That would be depriving congress of their favorite pastime. I mean what would they do if they couldn't repeatedly investigate manufactured Clinton scandals? Actually govern? Don't make me laugh.

11/11/2016 12:31:28 AM

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"Hence my desire to "see a little hustle" I'm in compete agreement with you. I'd just wish he'd use his popularity and bully pulpit to make it happen"

He doesn't have a bully pulpit man. He's a Democrat President with both houses of congress currently controlled by the GOP, and both houses going to continue to be controlled by the GOP, and an incoming GOP president.

He's the lamest of all lame ducks. He can't make shit happen, especially not anything involving the Supreme Court. I don't know what you expect him to do at this point. What, pass yet another executive order? We all know how that's going to turn out.

11/11/2016 12:33:50 AM

They'd just go "Pfft, haha, pardon her then, dumbass. We're done with Hillary, and we're done with Garland, and we're done with you. Don't let the door hit you in the ass."

11/11/2016 12:34:15 AM

^ Exactly. What fucks do they have to give about a HRC pardon? She done. You people are swinging blindly here.

11/11/2016 12:36:30 AM

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"^^ you can't even make a coherent argument as to why you feel that way"

Ditching Obamacare will be a great start. Obamacare isn't exactly small business friendly. So will lowering the corporate income tax. We have one of the highest corporate income taxes in the world. A few years ago The CEO of Merck was on 60 minutes when they did a story about how American Corporations are moving locations over seas which causes the money they make to be stranded over there. When asked why they do what they do the CEO said, "I have to answer to the share holders." Then he offered to bring that money back to America if they could "Get us close." I read today Trump wants to drop the tax to 15%. It's worth a try.

11/11/2016 12:38:22 AM

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"They'd just go "Pfft, haha, pardon her then, dumbass. We're done with Hillary, and we're done with Garland, and we're done with you. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.""

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"^ Exactly. What fucks do they have to give about a HRC pardon? She done. You people are swinging blindly here."

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it makes any difference and certainly wouldn't actually get them to approve Garland, I just think it would be a fun fuck you to president "special prosecutor" trump on his way out of office.

[Edited on November 11, 2016 at 12:43 AM. Reason : also my post was mostly a joke about how republicans care more about Hillary than America]

11/11/2016 12:41:57 AM

^^ Thanks for the 8th grader opinion Elmo.

11/11/2016 12:43:05 AM

^^^I agree with all that, but if you wheeled up a truckload of rat poison, I wouldn't eat it all to get to the chocolate pie in the middle.

[Edited on November 11, 2016 at 12:44 AM. Reason : ^ haha. yeah that's as contrary to the Obama-way as could possibly be.]

11/11/2016 12:43:07 AM

I'm actually surprised he watches 60 minutes

11/11/2016 12:45:55 AM

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""Looks like he's dismissing the mass, rampant, visceral opposition to his fact-free, xenophobic, sexist campaign" Yeah you can add all the scary adjectives you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the dude won. "

Not trying to change the fact. Just pointing out he's already validating everything we expected of him. He's not changing from primary-campaign version of Trump.

I do see an immense amount of organizing amongst my science/engineering facebook friends. People who've never joined a political protest or even express an opinion are forming groups to protest, or donating (one guy donated $2k) to liberal groups (ACLU/planned parenthood/etc).

Whatever happens, the progressives are fired up more than i've ever seen, and we have Trump to thank for this.

[Edited on November 11, 2016 at 1:31 AM. Reason : ]

11/11/2016 1:28:51 AM

Yeeesh.... If our only hope relies on the backs of nerdy college educated engineers with a couple grand of disposable income and coming up with clever little ways to organize "disruption" then I really don't like our chances. Keep in mind that your Facebook feed is likely a goddamn echo chamber.


God we are fucked. We are so fucking fucked.

11/11/2016 1:42:38 AM

lol, that's just my friend group. I have to assume progressives outside my bubble are similarly motivated.

11/11/2016 2:19:23 AM

Yeah, I hear ya. Progressives are motivated (there have been protests outside my office the past few days -- not like that'll do anything), but I'm super worried about what a progressive even is these days. Because if "progressive values" are only centered around social and identity issues, then we won't really have as many allies as you may think we have. And that's super troubling.

The fact that the right wing has mobilized around a populist message before the left did is fucking terrifying. And i'm not even talking in terms of cheap political points.

I'm seriously worried about how law enforcement is going to behave in a Trump presidency. Like, I'm legit worried. All these protests that we've seen centering around police brutality, etc. What happens when those police are being told from the top down that their number one priority during a protest is to establish "order" in a place like Ferguson or Charlotte? What happens when police in full riot gear go up against dissenters like at standing rock in a Trump presidency?


I'm also totally venting right now, so ignore me or whatever.

11/11/2016 2:50:28 AM

yeah im not protesting trump because i think protesters are in for a rude awakening. i'm talking tianmen square.

11/11/2016 3:54:18 AM

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/paul-ryan-says-medicare-privatization-is-on.html

I haven't looked deeper into this but supposedly Paul Ryan is trying to ditch Medicare? Seems like people will either be spending all their retirement on healthcare or they just die I guess ...

11/11/2016 7:42:26 AM

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"God we are fucked. We are so fucking fucked."

Yup.

11/11/2016 8:54:18 AM

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"What happens when police in full riot gear go up against dissenters like at standing rock in a Trump presidency?"

my guess would be that things like the riots in Philly, Baltimore, and Oakland don't happen

oh heaven forbid!

11/11/2016 9:02:19 AM

^ http://therightscoop.com/everyone-mocking-hilarious-joe-walsh-tweet/

11/11/2016 9:36:22 AM

^^^^^
were you referring to this?
Donald Trump praised the massacre at Tiananmen Square and suggested that the USSR was too weak

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432043/donald-trump-praised-tiananmen-square-massacre

11/11/2016 10:02:41 AM

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"my guess would be that things like the riots in Philly, Baltimore, and Oakland don't happen oh heaven forbid!"

That this line of thinking is more than just an extreme minority is far more scary than anything I think Trump would or could do.

It's like me saying we should have locked up anyone at any tea party rallies back in 2010. Scary stuff.

[Edited on November 11, 2016 at 10:36 AM. Reason : iPhone]

11/11/2016 10:34:31 AM

So what happens when millions of people are no longer required to buy health insurance? Can insurance companies handle the revenue loss? Will people with health issues have their pricing adjusted upward to account for the lost revue?

11/11/2016 10:45:19 AM

Riots are still going to happen. Just a matter of how bloody they are. Everyone who thought Ferguson was bad hasn't seen nothing yet. Strap in.

[Edited on November 11, 2016 at 10:48 AM. Reason : .]

11/11/2016 10:48:11 AM

But what are they really trying to accomplish via protesting?

I'm all for standing up for things and doing things that have some attainable goal, but what is the end-game here? Do they REALLY think protesting is going to get Trump to step down? Does that make sense to anyone? The government isn't going to kick him out because of protesters, that's like taking your kid to Disneyworld because it's throwing a temper tantrum.

Just like my idiot FB friends that are trying to spread petitions to get the Electoral College to change their votes, hahaha.

11/11/2016 11:07:17 AM

It's not a rational thought process. If I believe Trump is gonna rip me away from my children, I'm throwing a glass bottle at a cop regardless of what a bunch of lanyard dicks think about it.

11/11/2016 11:21:10 AM

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"I'm actually surprised he watches 60 minutes"

Why? It's an interesting show.

11/11/2016 11:28:45 AM

Obama should pardon HRC, as that would a great "fuck you" send-off to a woman that played underhanded politics with him in the 2008 primaries. Pardoning her will just confirm most of America's suspicions that she was guilty of mishandling classified information.

[Edited on November 11, 2016 at 12:10 PM. Reason : Would you rather see Trump pardon her and take credit for it under the guise of "we got other priori]

11/11/2016 12:00:03 PM

Well this could cause him some trouble.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-seeks-to-delay-trial-until-after-inauguration/ar-AAk9Ntl?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPCDHP

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"Former students from across the country have sued in two class actions, accusing the school of charging them up to $35,000 and lying about the value of the lessons they would receive."

If this is their argument then couldn't everyone who attended a for profit college sue the school?

11/11/2016 1:02:30 PM

Can we start a tally of everyone who was concerned about the national debt during the Obama administration and compare it to a tally of everyone who is concerned about the national debt during the Trump administration?

[Edited on November 11, 2016 at 2:48 PM. Reason : ]

11/11/2016 2:48:13 PM

^I'm interested is seeing how that is going to turn out. He wants to lower taxes, but increase military spending. I won't be shocked if the debt increases. I also don't see his policies involving China working too well either. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

11/11/2016 3:19:44 PM

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-willing-to-keep-parts-of-health-law-1478895339

Looks like Trump isn't repealing Obamacare after all. Whoops.

11/11/2016 3:42:07 PM

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"He wants to lower taxes, but increase military spending. I won't be shocked if the debt increases. I also don't see his policies involving China working too well either. I guess we'll have to wait and see."

If he pisses off every country we have open trade to it's also going to drive everyday costs way up.

11/11/2016 3:53:47 PM

Guy hasn't even been elected yet and he's being wishy washy.

11/11/2016 4:52:00 PM