https://youtu.be/3xdtfoRJjfY

Lesson clearly not learned (anti-Trump from 2011).

11/30/2016 12:23:33 PM

https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-leads-7-senate-intelligence-committee-members-calling-on-the-president-to-declassify-information-re-russia-and-the-us-election

All Dems on Senate intelligence (except Feinstein but she sucks) Cmte call on Obama to declassify info on Russia's efforts to influence the election.

11/30/2016 7:53:32 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/russia-ukraine-trump-manafort-232101

Now Russia is openly complaining that Ukraine was running interference with their efforts to help Donald Trump.

Shady.

12/2/2016 6:53:58 AM

^^ this seems dangerous and could potentially undermine the presidency.

The GOP (and trump specifically) tried to do that from day one too but it makes me uncomfortable. I absolutely 100% believe that Russia did a lot to undermine Clinton but the fact remains a better candidate and better message wins regardless..

12/2/2016 7:44:19 AM

^^
thats not what the article says

12/2/2016 9:21:24 AM

It's what It suggests.

12/2/2016 11:54:07 AM

It only suggests that if you insert your own unproven belief that Russia was helping Trump.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/dec/01/russia-and-its-influence-presidential-election/

[Edited on December 2, 2016 at 12:52 PM. Reason : .]

12/2/2016 12:50:03 PM

I'm not allowed to editorialize?



as if it doesn't take significant assumptions to conclude every foreign government that gave money to the Clinton Foundation was nefarious or how we were all certain every out of context email implicated Hillary in running a political cabal etc.

12/2/2016 1:08:55 PM

^^ I would argue that the link you provided does a lot to confirm that Russia did intentionally try to undermine the election process. The leap, though not entirely crazy by any stretch, is that they did so to help Trump.

I don't think that is crazy at all. No less crazy than some other conspiracies many people jumped on with regards to Clinton. What I do think is crazy is those who believe Trump was CONTROLLED by the Russians.

[Edited on December 2, 2016 at 1:12 PM. Reason : X]

12/2/2016 1:12:01 PM

I agree that it's possible and likely true that they helped Trump win in some way. When one side wants to improve relations and the other is threatening cyber war, what are you gonna do?

The way Terd summarized the article made it seem like Russia was literally saying "We were helping Trump and Ukraine tried to stop us." That's all I had a problem with.

[Edited on December 2, 2016 at 1:38 PM. Reason : .]

12/2/2016 1:36:21 PM

The world's super powers attempt to influence the elections of other countries ALL THE TIME. That's not conspiratorial, that's a historical record. Off the top of my head, I can think of numerous countries in Latin America ALONE that the US has interfered with during their democratic elections. The US also helped overthrow other democratically elected governments.

Anyway, at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter, because we still went to the polls and voted for the cocksucker, so it's still our problem to deal with.

12/2/2016 2:16:56 PM

Weird that no one wanted to investigate the actual election fraud that happened in the primaries (mass voter purges/registration changes).

12/2/2016 3:06:07 PM

Is changing registration actually voter fraud?

Lots of people did that in 08 and voted for Hillary to try and keep Obama out of the primary.

12/2/2016 3:23:56 PM

No, people had their registrations changed without their consent. Election fraud, not voter fraud. It happened in many different states.

[Edited on December 2, 2016 at 7:37 PM. Reason : .]

12/2/2016 7:37:05 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2016/12/04/d-c-police-respond-to-report-of-a-man-with-a-gun-at-comet-ping-pong-restaurant/

Don't know where this fits but crazy conspiracy stories have consequences when there are mentally unstable people around.

This is why JCE is wrong when he compares a cable news networks slant or bias to completely fake news. And why he incapable of nuance.

12/5/2016 8:33:33 AM

has any news site, real or fake, reported on pizzagate? I thought it was just a running joke on 4chan and reddit.

12/5/2016 9:01:12 AM

^ infowars

12/5/2016 10:52:34 AM

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/pizzagate-conspiracy-meme-reaches-is-natural-conclusion-with-shots-fired?utm_source=mbtwitter

featuring this fucking terrifying nugget:

Quote :

"Among its followers, pizzagate includes none other than Michael Flynn, the retired general tapped to be President-elect Donald Trump's national security advisor."

12/5/2016 10:58:21 AM

^ flynn is a complete nutter.

Way worse a pick than sessions. If there's anyone we need to lobby congress on more it's Flynn.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2016/11/politics/new-cabinet/

Flynns position isn't approved by senate, he's just in.


[Edited on December 5, 2016 at 11:42 AM. Reason : ]

12/5/2016 11:32:31 AM

Flynn is definitely a bit crazy and definitely isn't fit to be NatSec advisor but it was his son who is really the PizzaGate moron, not him.

Although Flynn is all in with the Clinton conspiracies and infowars types in general. That this has become mainstream is so ridiculous. Hard to believe.

[Edited on December 5, 2016 at 11:47 AM. Reason : His son is his chief of staff tho]

12/5/2016 11:43:43 AM

Of course the guy who shot up the pizza place is from Salisbury

12/5/2016 12:03:48 PM

^^ Flynn is a LOT crazy:
https://twitter.com/sneakdoorbeta/status/802216477533343744

Read some of the excerpt from his book. Guy is InfoWars-nuts.

I couldn't believe that Trump was bringing fringe Breitbart into the mainstream fold, but it's even more flabbergasting that we're bringing InfoWars into the mainstream.

I can't see any pathways for our society where this isn't going to have a decades-long impact to news and discourse. This is potentially extremely damaging to the credibility of Americans and the country.

12/5/2016 10:42:29 PM

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/hillary-clinton-working-class/509477/

12/6/2016 1:04:45 AM

^ I'll quote a paragraph from that article then break it down as to how Trump supporters understood the points.

Quote :

"She detailed plans to help coal miners and steel workers. She had decades of ideas to help parents, particularly working moms, and their children. She had plans to help young men who were getting out of prison and old men who were getting into new careers. She talked about the dignity of manufacturing jobs, the promise of clean-energy jobs, and the Obama administration’s record of creating private-sector jobs for a record-breaking number of consecutive months."

"She detailed plans to help coal miners" > I won't need help because Trump isn't going to try to shut down the coal industry

"She had decades of ideas to help parents, particularly working moms, and their children" > We need to get those people off welfare, especially the children since welfare is generational

"She had plans to help young men who were getting out of prison" > Getting out? Why? Leave them there.

"And old men who were getting into new careers" > Why should they need new careers when Trump is going to let them keep their current jobs

"She talked about the promise of clean-energy jobs" > Clean energy is a racket, Hannity told me so. Every green company we've subsidized has folded.

"Obama administration’s record of creating private-sector jobs for a record-breaking number of consecutive months" > The unemployment rate is a lie - it's only low because so many people are dropping off the roles and giving up looking for work. Hannity told me so.

[Edited on December 6, 2016 at 1:43 AM. Reason : I don't agree with the Trump points, just making a comparison]

12/6/2016 1:43:16 AM

If Clinton spent more time talking about those things then she would have won.

Of course there is a part of the population that what you (^) said is 100% accurate for but those people would always go Trump anyway.

A tiny sliver of me actually hopes the fools that believe Trump gives a fuck about them actually become worse off once the Ryan-show strips them of their social security net and privatizes Medicare... but I don't actually want that because just because they are ignorant doesn't mean they should suffer.

12/6/2016 7:34:26 AM

^I'm pretty sure every politician cares about the American people about as much as the others do.

Also, here is an interesting story about the electoral college. I doubt enough of them vote against the will of the people to get someone else in office.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/texas-republican-elector-says-he-wont-cast-ballot-for-trump/ar-AAlaYBO?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPCDHP

[Edited on December 6, 2016 at 1:06 PM. Reason : .]

12/6/2016 1:05:25 PM

Quote :

"If Clinton spent more time talking about those things then she would have won."

She talked about those things plenty, she just wasn't talking to the right people. Look, a ton of factors contributed to Hillary's loss, and based on the margins which she lost the tipping point states (MI/WI/PA) by, changing any of them could have flipped the outcome. Tactical decisions about where to campaign, a strategic assumption that Republican voters gave a fuck about Trump being an abhorrent piece of shit, fake news, Comey's letter, Bernie's smears, racism, sexism, etc..... All of it mattered and all of it could have ultimately decided the election for Trump.

However, now that the results are in, one thing that we know for a fact was not factor is that Hillary wasn't progressive or populist enough,

Fact: She ran on the most progressive platform of any Presidential general election candidate in history. Yes, even more than Obama, much more actually. Exit polling showed ~20% of the electorate wanted a President more liberal than Obama. Now, while exit polling isn't any more reliable than other kinds of polling (read, not very), it's certainly not off by 30%.

Fact: Populist Democrat candidates all lost, and by larger margins than Hillary in their respective states. Feingold and McGinty both got smashed. All but one (I think) of the Bernie Approved™ candidates lost, and lost big.

Fact: All the progressive ballot initiatives outside of California that didn't involve legal dope lost. Single payer in Colorado lost by 60%!!!!, yet that's supposed to be a winning issue at the national level? Come on.

There are some lessons to be learned from this election, although most of the factors contributing to Hillary's loss were unique to either her or her opponent, so I don't think it's terribly instructive to focus on them. What Democrats can't do is take away the wrong lessons from this election, or 2020 will make Reagan/Mondale look like a nailbiter.

[Edited on December 6, 2016 at 2:30 PM. Reason : .]

12/6/2016 2:24:34 PM

^
You're wrong about ballot initiatives:

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=648202

And single payer lost in Colorado because it was a poor iteration, our Democratic governor and senator were against it, and it was heavily lobbied against. Also, many people are wary of state run single payer but would vote for federal single payer. It is risky for a single state to attempt.

[Edited on December 6, 2016 at 2:47 PM. Reason : .]

12/6/2016 2:46:30 PM

Quote :

"What Democrats can't do is take away the wrong lessons from this election, or 2020 will make Reagan/Mondale look like a nailbiter."

One thing I think they need to do is let more candidates run in the primaries after Iowa. After Iowa it was down to Sanders and Clinton. No one else really got a chance to gain any real momentum. The Republicans did it right and let their top candidates go at it for a while until Trump was left standing.

12/6/2016 7:15:25 PM

^^^

I love it when hacks that predicted a Clinton landslide and were completely wrong about the election results, turn around and act like they know anything regarding the election results.

Naturally, you go back to the same name-calling ___isms ___phobic bullshit and continue to display how severe your case of echo-chamber syndrome is.

12/7/2016 1:09:28 AM

Quote :

"^ You're wrong about ballot initiatives:"

not the only thing he's wrong about

12/7/2016 9:31:16 AM

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-people-believe-trump-lies-and-conspiracy-theories-2016-12

Pretty fascinating..

12/7/2016 10:14:46 AM

Does anyone know how those recounts are coming?

12/8/2016 12:42:09 PM

I'm sure a google could answer that better than anyone here

12/8/2016 12:46:13 PM

recounts are dead last i heard, judge killed mi recount yesterday based on stein having no standing.

12/8/2016 12:56:25 PM

So minorities and immigrants are apparently not "everyday Americans". Remember though folks, Hillary lost this election because of ECONOMIC ANXIETY.

12/8/2016 4:05:12 PM

that girl looks so much alder than 24.

12/8/2016 4:19:21 PM

^^ how many times can you miss the point?

12/8/2016 4:51:31 PM

its a big stretch to paint that remark as racist imo. poor phrasing but her point is easily understood. democrats pander to minorities, not the working class (which obviously overlap a great deal)

also heres a fun graph

12/8/2016 5:05:35 PM

I was unaware that minorirites and the working class don't overlap

[Edited on December 8, 2016 at 5:11 PM. Reason : apologies if that wasn't a ghost edit and I just missed you saying the same thing I did]

12/8/2016 5:07:05 PM

but pandering to minorities does not mean you're addressing concerns of "everyday americans". there are seperate issues.

[Edited on December 8, 2016 at 5:12 PM. Reason : yeah it was there, appreciate the apology]

12/8/2016 5:11:46 PM

pandering to minorities and immigrants ALONG with "everyday americans" makes "everyday americans" super uncomfortable.

12/8/2016 5:14:51 PM

what does an "everyday American" look like?

especially to those who use the phrase, "everyday American"?

12/8/2016 5:18:15 PM

well from that photo, its a lady who has some bad tattoo's, works at CVS, listenings to bad metal, and may or may not be going to online college part time.

12/8/2016 5:27:11 PM

probably white, lower-middle class.

but after dating someone from small town missouri for two years, and talking with her friends and family who still live there, ive realized this isnt because of racism, its because of what demographics that person grows up around. and owosso, michigan is 95% white.

12/8/2016 5:28:57 PM

a 5 second internet search concludes she is a hair dresser.

12/8/2016 5:30:49 PM

what's wrong with being a hair stylist?

12/8/2016 5:31:37 PM

nothing, my cousin it and she seems to be very happy.

12/8/2016 5:44:12 PM

I have zero time for white people complaining about not having their voices heard

[Edited on December 8, 2016 at 5:47 PM. Reason : in the context of "everyday Americans", of course]

12/8/2016 5:47:24 PM

The way you hacks/SJWs view the world through your lens of identity politics/cultural Marxism is just a bad joke at this point.

When someone says "everyday working Americans" they aren't saying "white people". They are saying "stop forcing me to pay too much for insurance I don't need and can't use". You people are so out of touch it is ridiculous. Americans outside of your bubble don't care about racial pandering they care about opportunity. They treat people as individuals, not as members of a collective.

12/8/2016 6:11:12 PM