So assuming that the ACC hangs together after adding one more school, does that mean the Big 12 would be picked apart?

11/28/2012 7:46:02 PM

Inevitably there will only be four major conferences. There are four seats at the table for five conferences. The SEC, the Pac-12 and the B1G are at that table. The ACC and Big XII are fighting for that last seat. Louisville was a proactive move against that.

I think that the ACC miscalculated with Rutgers and the NYC market but ND, even as a partial, does help that a bit. And obviously Boston College was an unmitigated disaster. A decision like that in a real company and Swofford wouldn't have a job.

[Edited on November 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM. Reason : and yes UL can be proactive and reactive at teh same time]

11/28/2012 7:48:03 PM

As I've said, it all boils down to what the Pac 12 does. If they want to get to 16, they either have to take Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State, thus killing the Big XII (Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, K State, TCU, and WVU does not a conference make), OR they settle for the Boise States of the world. If the latter happens, we're boned. The Big XII needs 6 teams to get to 16 and can easily poach FSU, GT, Clemson, and 3 more if the ACC buyout doesn't stick. That leaves 2 ACC teams to the B1G (UNC & UVA) and 2 to the SEC (VT & ???), with 4 + ND left over to merge with the Big Least to be "the best of the rest". Not an attractive option. That sticks us with the Big XII, the SEC's 16th choice, or in the best of the rest.

However, if the Big XII collapses, you can expect those 2 of those 6 leftovers to join the B1G (Kansas and Iowa State?) and 2 to try to beg their way into the SEC (K State and WVU?). That puts Baylor and TCU out in the cold, since the ACC will get to 16 with ND and another Big Least school.

11/28/2012 8:11:41 PM

tv markets are great when you're at the top and you're trying to get even more money. tv markets don't mean a whole lot when you don't have a single good football program in your conference.

11/28/2012 8:19:02 PM

I was just listening to Bay Area sports radio this afternoon and they kept insisting how the PAC 12 DOESN'T want anymore teams. The idea being that they've got what they want (championship game and preserved rivalries) and that they'd water down the conference with anybody else. Not sure if this is true, but it seems to make sense...

11/28/2012 8:44:17 PM

was that a PAC12 spokesperson, or just a local yokel?

11/28/2012 9:43:41 PM

the PAC 12 will never take a school like Boise State. There really aren't any other "real" schools in the Western time zone/ Mountain time zone region that would make sense. I think they will sit back and wait to see what happens in the future, and try to build up the divisions/new rivalries

11/28/2012 10:20:51 PM

http://www.foxsportscarolinas.com/11/28/12/ACC-presidents-vote-to-add-Louisville/landing_acc.html?blockID=827007&feedID=3736

The article basically goes through all the reasons why Louisville is an upgrade over UMD.

Some interesting tidbits:

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"last season Louisville basketball passed North Carolina as the highest grossing program in the nation with $36.1 million"

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"Louisville’s athletic budget of just under $69 million is larger than every ACC school with the exception of North Carolina."

and I hadn't heard this about ND:

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"The presidents pushed aside a long-standing “rule” that it wouldn’t take partial qualifiers by admitting Notre Dame "

So the conference should improve in football in the future....

11/28/2012 10:28:05 PM

and then there's Greg Swaim posting this on twitter:

Greg Swaim Show ?@GSwaim
#B1G taking either #UVA, #GT or #UNC, whichever two will join first. Expecting #SEC talks with #VT and #NCState. Then #BIG12 may act later.

11/28/2012 11:11:23 PM

I'm actually hoping State moves to the SEC

Time for a fresh start. The ACC has gone to absolute shit since expansion and I see no reason to stick around.

11/28/2012 11:23:40 PM

LET'S DO THIS Y'ALL

11/28/2012 11:24:46 PM

haha Greg Swaim.

that said, SEC, SEC, SEC

11/28/2012 11:27:32 PM

IMO by the time the ACC loses AQ status there will be no more AQ because an expanded playoff will make the BCS bowls irrelevant. I hope we don't go to the sec.

[Edited on November 28, 2012 at 11:54 PM. Reason : ]

11/28/2012 11:39:38 PM

if this were a 9 team acc and everyone was staying, then i'd agree w/ you, but the acc is going to lose more members and replace them w/ shit like uconn. if we don't leave we're going to end up in a conference that is unrecognizable. i'd rather be a new school in a conference on solid footing than a charter member of the new big east.

11/28/2012 11:46:11 PM

pitt and va tech to big 10?

http://socyberty.com/education/big-ten-announces-final-two-teams/

11/29/2012 2:04:00 AM

I trust any journalist named PopWillEatItself. Ignore the fact that his other articles include Tressel being hired by UT & OJ being killed in prison...this one is legit

11/29/2012 2:22:39 AM

Take a peak at the power ranking he concocted. Keep scrolling till you find Florida.

11/29/2012 3:31:41 AM

that bastard had us at 32nd in his basketball rankings.


also, lololol

http://sportales.com/football/2012-north-carolina-state-wolfpack-preview/


he also has articles about Ali and Jack Nicholson dying

[Edited on November 29, 2012 at 3:48 AM. Reason : dude is crazy]

11/29/2012 3:42:51 AM

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"haha Greg Swaim. that said, SEC, SEC, SEC "

11/29/2012 6:43:38 AM

Swaim is bound to be right eventually

11/29/2012 7:00:23 AM

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"if this were a 9 team acc and everyone was staying, then i'd agree w/ you, but the acc is going to lose more members and replace them w/ shit like uconn. if we don't leave we're going to end up in a conference that is unrecognizable. i'd rather be a new school in a conference on solid footing than a charter member of the new big east."

Yup. Totally agree.

On the surface, it's a bit of a lateral move. We will be a mediocre football program in the SEC, sorta like we are now in the ACC. For basketball, we'll be the third best program after UK and UF, sorta like we're third behind UNC and Duke. But playing (and possibly beating) SEC football teams regularly gives us more national exposure than some fucked up looking new conference that has like 5 original ACC members that aren't even rival schools anyway. Plus tailgating would be fucking sweet.

11/29/2012 12:12:36 PM

ncsu in sec this past year = gurshall at ncsu

11/29/2012 12:15:05 PM

^^ it'd also give us a lot more dollar bills to attempt to crush unc with.

11/29/2012 12:24:01 PM

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"Plus tailgating would be fucking sweet."

away game travel budget... blowing money fast

11/29/2012 1:23:11 PM

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"The presidents pushed aside a long-standing “rule” that it wouldn’t take partial qualifiers by admitting Notre Dame " So the conference should improve in football in the future.... "

Amato is probably sooooo angry

11/29/2012 1:32:21 PM

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"The Big XII needs 6 teams to get to 16 and can easily poach FSU, GT, Clemson, and 3 more if the ACC buyout doesn't stick."

the big 12 is content where they are right now though. every school is getting something like $30 million a year with 10 of them being in the conference. the more they expand, the less of that there is to go around.

11/29/2012 1:33:58 PM

big 12 and acc should just merge

11/29/2012 1:38:41 PM

We need to poke the bear (PAC12) and get them wheeling and dealing again. IMO the PAC12 hold the most power as the biggest domino. No other conference can really try to poach them. Where would they go? Split between Big12 and Big10? Unlikely.

Big 10 can get: OSU, WSU, Oregon, Washington
Big 12 can get: ASU, Arizona, USC, UCLA

Not sure about Stanford, Cal, Colorado, Utah. I can see Stanford and Cal going either way, but Colorado and Utah potentially left out.

That kind of mega-shift is very unlikely, but wtf does the PAC12 think is going to happen if they don't build up to 16. They should take TX, Ok, OkS, TT. That would cause Big12 to dissolve, and save the ACC. I can see the SEC picking up the major left overs, such as Kansas. Big10 could even nab a few like KState or Iowa St

Come on PAC12, get with the program u bunch of hippis

11/29/2012 1:44:06 PM

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"The Big XII needs 6 teams to get to 16 and can easily poach FSU, GT, Clemson, and 3 more if the ACC buyout doesn't stick."

Maryland will get out of the conference and not have to pay a cent toward the buyout. After that we'll decide to leave the conference and somehow have to end up paying 75 million plus a reduction of scholarships in BB.

[/persecution complex]

11/29/2012 1:48:09 PM

I was just looking at the N&O and reading the story about Maryland leaving and Louisville joining.
Their picture for the story was Hansbrough dunking on Louisville in the 2008 tournament.

11/29/2012 1:55:05 PM

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"it'd also give us a lot more dollar bills to attempt to crush unc with"

If we are ever in a different conference than UNC, they will rarely play us. It will be like us scheduling ECU. Assuming State to SEC, UNC to Big Ten, and Duke remains in ACC; they will make Duke their yearly out of conference in state rival.

11/29/2012 2:01:31 PM

people advocating that 12-school conferences are content with having 12 schools need to wake the hell up

11/29/2012 2:07:50 PM

^^ i don't mean in football. i mean literally destroying their campus.

11/29/2012 2:16:23 PM

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"That kind of mega-shift is very unlikely, but wtf does the PAC12 think is going to happen if they don't build up to 16. They should take TX, Ok, OkS, TT. That would cause Big12 to dissolve, and save the ACC. I can see the SEC picking up the major left overs, such as Kansas. Big10 could even nab a few like KState or Iowa St Come on PAC12, get with the program u bunch of hippis"

the big 12 can't lose any teams for the next 13 years because of a contract with ESPN/fox that's paying the conference $2.6 billion for the rights to all big 12 games except for one non conference game for each team. on top of that, there's a grant-of-rights, so if texas or oklahoma were to leave, the big 12 maintains the rights to their games. if you're texas or oklahoma, you're not leaving. and if you're any other school, you're not leaving either because no other conference will provide you with as much money as the big 12.

and i misspoke earlier when i said big 12 schools are pulling in $30 million per school. that won't start until 2014, but they're still all making $20+ million now. and the big 12 stands to make $40 million in 2014 from the alignment with the sugar bowl. i guess anything is technically possible, but the big 12 is pretty safe from being poached, and there's no point in expanding just to expand. it makes sense for the big 10 and SEC because it's more important to have a whole bunch of teams for the sake of their networks.

they also have a gentleman's agreement with the SEC where they won't expand into states where the SEC currently has teams, so that would mean FSU, GT and clemson are theoretically off limits, but anything's possible when money is involved. i don't see any scenario where it'd make sense for the big 12 to break that agreement and add those three schools though.

[Edited on November 29, 2012 at 2:35 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2012 2:28:16 PM

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"they're still all making $20+ million now"

Prove this. I've listened to David Glenn talk a lot about this and the only conference where each team is pulling in $20 million plus is B1G. Big 12 payout per DG was about the same as the ACC right now. This is based on the actual money each team gets, not just taking some TV contract and then dividing by the number of teams in the conference.



[Edited on November 29, 2012 at 3:37 PM. Reason : []

11/29/2012 3:31:52 PM

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"Prove this. I've listened to David Glenn talk a lot about this and the only conference where each team is pulling in $20 million plus is B1G. Big 12 payout per DG was about the same as the ACC right now. This is based on the actual money each team gets, not just taking some TV contract and then dividing by the number of teams in the conference"

i was just talking about the average from the TV contract. should've specified that. but even if the actual payout is close to that of the ACC, it's about to go up significantly in 2 years, and poaching from the big 12 doesn't sound like a very good idea if the big 12 retains the media rights and revenues.

[Edited on November 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2012 3:50:48 PM

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"We will be a mediocre football program in the SEC"

not for long. we will participate in the arms race for DCs & OCs that is characteristic of the SEC, and we will be able to compete. we will then invade Poland..

11/29/2012 5:54:43 PM

Being mediocre in the SEC is a step up from being mediocre in the ACC

11/29/2012 6:00:32 PM

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" We will be a mediocre football program in the SEC, sorta like we are now in the ACC."

Y'all some delusional fuckers. Mediocre in the SEC is top 25. We would be bottom feeders, fighting it out with kentucky year after year.

11/29/2012 6:03:32 PM

We could beat Vanderbilt some years too

11/29/2012 6:14:04 PM

and Ole Miss/Miss State/Mizzou. I don't think it would be the end of the world, Vandy went 8-4 this year and almost 9-3, just load up the OCC with cupcakes (if the holes go to the B1G, let them have dook and we'll take wake) and win 2 conference games a year to go 6-6, better to be 9th in the SEC than 4th in the ACC. probably a better bowl game, too

11/29/2012 6:18:03 PM

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" Y'all some delusional fuckers. Mediocre in the SEC is top 25. We would be bottom feeders, fighting it out with kentucky year after year."

[NO] The SEC is good, but it's usually top heavy or the divisions are lop-sided. Mizzou, UT, and Vandy are consistently mediocre. USC is up and down, just like MSU, Arkansas, and Ole Miss. UK is like Duke- a basketball school

Alabama, Georgia, Florida, and LSU are the teams that are consistently great. Auburn will be a mess for a while.

We'll be getting a better coach than TOB, but I see us winning between 5-8 games a season in the SEC which is solidly mediocre.

[Edited on November 29, 2012 at 8:41 PM. Reason : asdf]

11/29/2012 8:31:40 PM

We're barely a perennial 6-8 win team in the ACC as it is

11/29/2012 8:34:25 PM

We should go un train on the big south

11/29/2012 8:39:19 PM

i really don't see us hiring some homerun coach that's going to rack up titles regardless of which conference we are in anyway, so this debate is pretty pointless

11/29/2012 8:39:32 PM

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"Mizzou, UT, UK, and Vandy are consistently mediocre. USC is up and down"

its kind of early to tell about Mizzou, they were pretty decent in the Big XII but didn't do too well this year, at least compared to Texas A&M

Kentucky and Vandy are consistently mediocre, but they'd both probably be 9+ win teams in the ACC

but Tennessee beat us this year, and SC just held Clemson to 17 points in Death Valley, the same Clemson team that scored 100 points on us

11/29/2012 8:39:57 PM

yeah but we suck this year, so that point is moot

11/29/2012 8:42:30 PM

like... programs can get better you guys.

11/29/2012 8:54:20 PM

well, in the de facto toilet bowl, our future brother in arms Loiusville beat future B1G punching bag Rutgers for what will probably be the Big Least's penultimate BCS Bowl bid

11/29/2012 11:02:31 PM

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"Prove this. I've listened to David Glenn talk "

Thats your first problem.

11/29/2012 11:48:02 PM