Recommend me some dry lube, everything else ain't cutting it out here in the desert.

12/28/2007 7:35:28 AM

Sentry solutions is what we used last time, but to be honest, its simply going to be a pain in the ass no matter what you do.

http://www.sentrysolutions.com/welcome.shtml

12/28/2007 10:04:32 AM

All dry lubes suck compared to even cheap oil...but I imagine having a gun jam sucks worse.

Sentry Solutions is pretty good. I use it on folding knives because it doesnt attract pocket lint.

You could also try PTFE, basically teflon powder iin an aerosol can.
RemDrylube is one brand, Blaster is another (much cheaper).
You spray it on and the carrier evaporates leaving a film of teflon powder. It's slick as snot, but sometimes it won't stay in place and you end up with no lube.

12/28/2007 10:44:06 AM

we're are doing the best we can with CLP, the open bolt weapons are working well, but the other stuff is a bitch to clean with wet lube, personally I just keep the old mossberg ready, 2 less lethal then rock and roll time...

12/29/2007 11:44:52 AM

has anyone handled that new ruger sr9?

12/30/2007 2:22:54 PM

I haven't, but it's got pretty good reviews.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/5571012501/p/1

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SR9.htm

12/30/2007 2:34:29 PM

yeah i know

i like the size, caliber and capacity

im just wary of sinking money into a first production run

12/30/2007 2:56:49 PM

question about old ammo.

I recently was given a rather large bag of .30 carbine ammo (I have an M1 carbine). Some of this ammo looks pretty god damn old, like brass pipes that get that green discoloration, other rounds have old kind of black/greyish marks on them that look like maybe they got real damp or something? all of these rounds came out of a basement of a friend of mine's grandfathers, so Im thinking they got damp in the basement over the course of a couple decades.

So, Im a n00b at knowing a lot about ammo and all that stuff, but are these rounds safe to fire?

12/30/2007 9:52:15 PM

They should be safe.
In old ammo, especially if it is exposed to a lot of moisture, the powder or primers go bad first.
If it is bad ammo then it won't shoot worth a darn.

The biggest hazard in shooting old ammo is getting a squib; a round that has just enough energy to push the bullet into the barrel, but not enough energy to push it all the way out.
You end up with a stuck bullet. Shoot another round with a bullet already stuck in the barrel and you get an exploding gun.

As long as the ammo is fairly clean I'd still shoot it. But, I'm make damn sure I saw a bullet hole in my target for each bullet I shot.
If you cannot account for the bullet it could still be in your barrel.

12/30/2007 10:12:03 PM

i would shoot the better looking stuff, watch for squibs or hangfires, wait to eject if you have a misfire. we had some russian 7.62 shit that that had about 2sec delay.

If in doubt, dont. some reloader can pull the bullets and tumble them(?) and the brass can be deprimed, tumbled and reloaded.



went by Del-ton this week and picked up my new ar upper. dpms chrome lined 1:9 spectre gas block, ff tube on a t marked flattop. I am not near my lower right now, so no bang bang

12/30/2007 10:37:08 PM

what are some of the best places to buy used guns around raleigh (besides davis and pdhsd)?

i dropped by a couple pawn shops in garner but in one of them they had used shotguns for the same price as new at davis ($360 for a mossberg 590). guy asked me if i wanted to make an offer but i didn't bother due to the high sticker.

12/31/2007 8:28:26 AM

If price is a big issue, you can always buy online and have it shipped to an FFL holder. Whoever it is, will probably charge you $25 to do the transaction, but if you get a good enough deal then it isn't an issue.

Try:
www.auctionarms.com
www.gunbroker.com
http://www.budsgunshop.com

12/31/2007 8:49:20 AM

^^try lawmen's. they have pretty good deals on new and used.

12/31/2007 8:51:49 AM

Where is Del-ton?

I've heard they make really good uppers for the money.
How's the quality compare to others?


^^^Like JCASHFAN said, the internet is a good source.
My boss' purchased a few handguns off gunbroker and paid $50-200 less than the guns' values, thats after the FFL fee.

[Edited on December 31, 2007 at 9:17 AM. Reason : ]

12/31/2007 9:16:45 AM

who makes a good speedloader for sig magazines?

1/1/2008 8:22:06 PM

so i got a mossberg 500 persuader...but all it has is a pistol grip

I would like to get a new stock for it which the normal stick with a pistol grip, something like this:


Can you guys pick one out for me...was hoping not to spend too much $.

I saw these on ebay, http://tinyurl.com/265run, but I'm open to wherever. thx

1/2/2008 7:59:36 PM

I was looking for one for my Mossberg 500 but gave up because I really couldn't find anything cheap that wasn't an AR-style telescoping stock. I really don't see the point of putting those on anything that doesn't have the AR action that necessitates one.

Let me know if you run across any cheap side folders.

1/2/2008 8:23:26 PM

I got a new shotgun to go skeet shooting with on the weekends it is a Browning Gold hunter 3 1/2" autoloader.
I have gone a few times and it seems like every time i go to shoot it jams up 2 or 3 times. It will not eject the shell (gets caught) or more often the shell catches on the beginning of the barrel when i load it and the action can not load it into the chamber.
It is designed to shoot up to 3 1/2" shells but i put 2 3/4" with 1/8oz powder show through it (the min that it will shoot).

I have tried really oiling the action slides (A LOT) and it seems to slide easier and move better. any other suggestions to keep it from jamming? (no i wont get bigger shot because anything bigger is Texas$ and you shoot a LOT when you shot skeet)



[Edited on January 2, 2008 at 8:41 PM. Reason : heres pictures of it ]

1/2/2008 8:39:53 PM

Quote :

"It will not eject the shell (gets caught) or more often the shell catches on the beginning of the barrel when i load it and the action can not load it into the chamber. "

After you shoot a round, does the next shell catch on the barrel?

If that is the case, the it sounds like the gun is short stroking; not fully cycling rearward.

Quote :

"It is designed to shoot up to 3 1/2" shells but i put 2 3/4" with 1/8oz powder show through it (the min that it will shoot). "

Yeah, it's supposed to shoot 2.75", but it's a new gun.
New guns, especially semiautos, usually need a few rounds to break in. During the break in period parts start to wear and fit each other better and springs become less stiff.
There's a large difference in pressure that reaches the gas system when you're comparing 2.75" to 3.5". If you can't get enough pressure to fully cycle the system then breaking it in will take a lot longer.

Quote :

"I have tried really oiling the action slides (A LOT) and it seems to slide easier and move better. any other suggestions to keep it from jamming? (no i wont get bigger shot because anything bigger is Texas$ and you shoot a LOT when you shot skeet)"

In addition to oiling the transfer bars and bolt, you need to clean and oil the gas system real well.

Then you have to bite the bullet and get at least a box or two of 3" shells and run them through the gun.
Getting some 3.5" shells may do it faster.
So...it's either pay $40 for a couple boxes of 3" or just live with a gun that may jam for hundreds of 2.75" rounds til it breaks in.

Browning makes a target version with 2.75 or 3" chamber that has a gas system tuned for the lighter loads. You can't really expect something designed to handle 3.5" to work with 2.75" right off the bat.

I'd give it at least 100 rounds of 3" before I threw in the towel and sent it back to Browning.

Quote :

"so i got a mossberg 500 persuader...but all it has is a pistol grip I would like to get a new stock for it which the normal stick with a pistol grip, something like this: "

Can you easily work the safety with an AR style stock?
If I were you I'd just get a factory stock or a factory style Speedfeed.
I have a short barreled Mossy and can't imagine having to move my hand that far just to switch the safety off.

1/2/2008 10:28:31 PM

I have a Gold Hunter in 3", All I use it for is clays. You might want to look at trading for a 3" if you are never going to shoot 3.5's in it as the 3" is much lighter.

Quote :

"I have tried really oiling the action slides (A LOT)"

Thats probally the problem. I made the same mistake when I first bought mine, called Browning and they told me to put it together damn near dry. Also go ahead and put a few boxes of hot rounds through it to get everything seated and loosened up. I have put 3500 round through mine and had very few FTF or FTE. Great gun, you are gonna love it.

1/2/2008 10:51:28 PM

Quote :

"Can you easily work the safety with an AR style stock? If I were you I'd just get a factory stock or a factory style Speedfeed. I have a short barreled Mossy and can't imagine having to move my hand that far just to switch the safety off."

I was hoping to get a stock with a pistol grip...but i dont think i want an ar style like i linked to...i would rather it be fixed.

where would be a good place to get an inexpensive mossberg 500 stock, with pistol grip or without? in general what are the best websites to shop for mossberg accessories?

1/3/2008 9:28:11 AM

i need a new rifle case

pelican or storm?

and why?

kkthx

1/3/2008 5:40:06 PM

storm, I like the pushbutton latches and i think the storm has a adjustable bleed valve to make it air tight ( even more than the pelican.

1/3/2008 6:16:16 PM

Mossberg Stocks:

http://www.butlercreek.com/products/stocks_protector_shell.html
http://www.speedfeedinc.com/?location=products
http://www.atigunstocks.com/products.aspx?category=13

1/3/2008 8:17:46 PM

had a friend laugh at me for getting a spent shell down my shirt.

TWICE.

jesus they are hot.

1/3/2008 10:35:08 PM

It happens to all of us

If the gun works fine (which it should, it's a Sig right?) then sometimes you'll still get brass coming straight back because you aren't holding the gun firmly.
After a little more practice and after you really break the gun in then you shouldn't have any more hot brass down your shirt.

I have an HKS speedloader (model 940) for my Sig 228.
It's not that much faster than loading by hand, but if you shoot a lot of rounds then it keeps your thumbs from getting sore, especially if the mags are new and the springs are stiff.
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=528432&t=11082005

1/3/2008 11:15:59 PM

yep, it's a sig. i put 200 rounds through it the other day and only two shells came my way. i'd say that was decent. no FTF or FTL so i'm happy. thanks for the link btw.

what is the consensus on "clean" ammo?

winchester winclean and remington umc leadless bullets have lead/heavy metal free primer, BUT seem to have more flash, noise, and recoil.

i want less lead in my life, but i guess everything is a tradeoff.

[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 11:32 PM. Reason : d]

1/3/2008 11:29:07 PM

its more for the shooting facility's benefit than yours, unless you are a professional shooter. The brass in the winclean gives reloaders hell, different primer pocket or flash hole. If you get it at a good price, shoot it.

1/3/2008 11:43:06 PM

IMO clean ammo isn't a benefit unless you shoot at an indoor range that doesn't have good ventilation.
The idea is that a normal FJM bullet has exposed lead at the rear that can vaporize due to the hot gasses pushing it. Winclean and Remington/UMC's MC (metal cased) bullets are made backwards with the rear of the bullet covered by the jacket and the front exposed. No hot gases on exposed lead = no vaporized lead.
They are not "leadless" bullets. The only leadless bullets on the market are Barnes' all copper bullets or frangible stuff typically used only be LE. You can find plated bullets whos lead core is completely covered by a thin layer of copper.
All modern primers are made without mercury anyway, so "clean" primers are a moot point.

I've shot quite a bit of the Winclean and the UMC stuff and the brass is the same as all their other ammo.

In all, lead exposure is a big deal for my friends who cast their own lead bullets, but for you it's no big deal.
But you do wanna wash your hands after shooting. You'll probably get more lead by handling lots of lead or jacketed softpoint bullets and licking your fingers than inhaling the vapors off the bullets you shoot.
Like ewstephe said, shoot it if it's cheap. If regular ammo is cheaper then shoot that. It doesn't make a difference.

Flash and noise shouldn't be a problem because it's just practice ammo.
Buy quality self defense ammo to keep at home. It'll have less flash in low light.
And about self defense ammo...you need to run a couple hundred rounds of whatever SD ammo you pick to make sure it's reliable in your gun. After you're sure that SD load works then just shoot up the cheap stuff for practice.

[Edited on January 4, 2008 at 12:55 AM. Reason : ]

1/4/2008 12:52:36 AM

i just got a sks paratrooper model that takes AK mags

any advice for a place to find a good folding stock for it and where to get some cheap AK mags?

1/4/2008 12:39:40 PM

looking to pick up a new pistol at the gun show. I think I've narrowed it down to a Glock 32.

anybody, good, bad, ugly, other recommendations?

It's mostly for the personal protection type use, and maybe eventual concealed carry if I can schedule a class.

1/4/2008 6:00:56 PM

a folder on a sks-d is in violation of 922r, the gayest most un readable gun rule ever. it didnt sunset with the brady shit. I think you have to play the imported part count game. this is only for the ones that take ak mags, regular sks can do whatever. sks-d are scarce as shit. i have 2 and they are great, its the best of both worlds of ak mags and non sheetmetal construction. cheaperthandirt.com has some good chicom accessories and all kinds of mags.

* i have never heard of 922r being used against an individual, but i dont want to be the first.

1/4/2008 6:07:00 PM

^ I have to play the part count game with my MAK-90

I think I'm legal as long as I don't put in a mag

1/4/2008 6:22:45 PM

Quote :

"After you shoot a round, does the next shell catch on the barrel? If that is the case, the it sounds like the gun is short stroking; not fully cycling rearward."

both
once or twice it will stick when i first load a shell
more often it will stick when cycling to the next shell
once it didn't eject the fired round so i had to take it apart right there to get it out.

Quote :

"Yeah, it's supposed to shoot 2.75", but it's a new gun. New guns, especially semiautos, usually need a few rounds to break in. During the break in period parts start to wear and fit each other better and springs become less stiff. There's a large difference in pressure that reaches the gas system when you're comparing 2.75" to 3.5". If you can't get enough pressure to fully cycle the system then breaking it in will take a lot longer."

I have shot about 200 rounds through it but you are right i might just bite the bullet (literally) and buy some 3" or 3.5" shells to shoot through it.

2 reasons i bought the 3.5"
1 thats all they had in the store of that model and it had a $100 MIR
2 I like the versatility of being able to shoot a wide range of shot (the gun range i am a member of has all kinds of ranges on the property including a plinking range and i salivate at the idea of goin down there with friends one day with some 3.5" super turkey loads and blowing the shit out of some milk jugs or something!)

Another question, it is a new gun and currently i store it with the action closed to keep the spring expanded, if i stored it with the action open and the spring compressed would that weaken it a little bit?

1/4/2008 8:10:00 PM

Quote :

"Another question, it is a new gun and currently i store it with the action closed to keep the spring expanded, if i stored it with the action open and the spring compressed would that weaken it a little bit? "

No it wouldn't weaken the spring. Springs wear from being cycled. You cannot weaken the spring from a single compression.

You should seriously look at trading your 3.5"on a 3". I think that you will always have trouble with the light loads. It is hard to have the best of both in gas operated shotguns. Cash the rebate and you will be ahead of the game. As far as wanting to destroy jugs and such, 3" slugs will put on the same show as a 3.5" would. I cant rember the exact weight differences between the two but 1.5 LBS sticks in my head as the difference between them. That alot of weight at the end of the day as often as it appears you go shooting. Hit me up on a PM if you want you go try mine out sometime.

1/4/2008 11:16:32 PM

hmmmmmmm so you think i would never break it in enough to shoot light? think browning would let me trade the gun straight up or would this cost Texa$?

1/5/2008 12:04:06 AM

That the 3" is cheaper than the 3.5" I dont see where a straight up trade would be unreasonable.
Factor in the rebate as well.

1/5/2008 3:43:46 PM

I'm new to raleigh, so where is there a good range in the raleigh/garner area? Doesn't matter if it's indoor/outdoor or public/private

1/5/2008 11:52:02 PM

http://www.pdhsc.com/

1/6/2008 12:30:32 AM

Quote :

"a folder on a sks-d is in violation of 922r, the gayest most un readable gun rule ever. it didnt sunset with the brady shit. I think you have to play the imported part count game. this is only for the ones that take ak mags, regular sks can do whatever. sks-d are scarce as shit. i have 2 and they are great, its the best of both worlds of ak mags and non sheetmetal construction. cheaperthandirt.com has some good chicom accessories and all kinds of mags. * i have never heard of 922r being used against an individual, but i dont want to be the first. "

i am pretty sure that mine would pass....my dad got a couple of these before they passed the ban years ago and hasnt left the box until now

either way anyone know of a good place to get stocks (folding or non)?

1/6/2008 11:19:25 AM

Quote :

"http://www.pdhsc.com/"

thanks, that's right down the street from me

Quote :

"my dad got a couple of these before they passed the ban years ago and hasnt left the box until now"

couple of sks's or skd-d's?

1/6/2008 11:58:12 AM

do you have to purchase a pistol permit to purchase a shotgun with a pistol grip (and no stock)?

either way, wheres the laws for that?

1/6/2008 2:15:49 PM

Quote :

"do you have to purchase a pistol permit to purchase a shotgun with a pistol grip (and no stock)? "

No, The only thing that requires a permit are handguns.
But it should be noted that:

Quote :

"any shotgun with a barrel length less than eighteen (18) inches or an overalllength of less than twenty-six (26) inches"

First link at the top of the page
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Gun+laws+North+Carolina&btnG=Google+Search



[Edited on January 6, 2008 at 2:57 PM. Reason : .]

1/6/2008 2:43:52 PM

so when i go get my permit, will i have to have a picture id stating my local address or can i just show like my power bill or something to show that im a local resident? i know ill have to have a picture id, but mine hasnt been updated from my greenville address.

1/6/2008 5:24:59 PM

Must be a photo ID of the county you are getting the permit in. Go to Greenville and get a permit.

1/6/2008 7:41:23 PM

^^ You need a valid driver's license/state ID with an address in the county you're trying to get a permit from. That means you'll need to either get a new license or get a permit from whatever county greenville is in.

beat me to it

1/6/2008 7:43:16 PM

You're supposed to get your permit from the same county as your DL.
When I was at state I brought in some bank mail with my name at a Raleigh address and my Durham DL and they took it without any problems.

May as well try.

I like Wake Co cause they don't make you go through any bullshit, like providing character references.

1/7/2008 12:28:47 AM

Ok so we went to PDHSC today to get some hands on with what's out there right now.

I think we've settled on:

For her: S&W 442 or 432, not sure but I think she's leaning more towards the .32 version (432) over the .38sp+p (442), a nice concealable revolver with no hammer to get hung if you have to shoot it while it's in a purse or pocket. Also it's lightweight enough to easily carry, and it was very comfortable in both our hands.



For me: Glock Model 23, was considering the 32, but from further reading I'm leery of going with the .357 sig rounds, not to mention the price. a .40 will never be hard to find and from what I understand will still offer the stopping power and penetration that I am looking for. I have also been reading up on the S&W M&P .40 compact as it has some great reviews and many are recommending it over the Glock.

They people down there were really great and took quite a good amount of time to talk to us about what we were looking for, what we wanted and what we were going to use it for. I think we're going to get a family membership and go through their courses and the Concealed Carry course as well.

Any feedback from you guys on personal experience? Thanks

1/7/2008 1:04:37 AM

^ When were you there? I was in the range from about 4-6pm.

Quote :

"I like Wake Co cause they don't make you go through any bullshit, like providing character references."

They were pretty nasty to me when I went to go change the address on my CCW. Apparently I didn't know that I needed to drive 200 miles back to where I used to live and tell them I had moved.

1/7/2008 8:18:43 AM

IMO, the S&W has better ergonomics than the Glock and their customer service is impeccable. The Glock has a longer record of reliability, but no one I know who has shot the M&P has had anything bad to say about it, except for the takedown lever located in the magazine well and, truth be told, I don't see anything going wrong with that.

The trigger is great, and you can get some decent custom work done by Dan Burwell:
http://www.burwellgunsmithing.com/M&P1.htm

1/7/2008 9:58:15 AM