Ha ha! I am running Chrome on Windows 2000!!! Bravo me!

9/10/2008 1:16:12 PM

Forgot the link:
http://nspeaks.com/348/google-chrome-on-windows-2000-works-with-my-method/

9/10/2008 1:59:23 PM

heres an article about chrome's higher disk usage http://impl.emented.com/2008/09/10/google-chrome-tips-reducing-high-disk-and-cpu-activity/

Quote :

"Fortunately, after poking around the limited options settings in Chrome, I found a solution: Disable the "Enable phishing and malware protection" option, which is found under the Security section of the "Under the Hood" tab. This solved the problem completely, and Chrome is now very light on CPU and Disk usage."

9/12/2008 2:27:45 PM

Quote :

"I was blown away by the promise of tabs being separate processes. Then I tried it and my tabs stilled crash my browser, so...."

new thread was locked apparently

9/20/2008 8:34:37 PM

yeah, i run it on Win2k on my office PC, and i'm also not impressed with the supposed sandboxing of each tab and each plugin. One tab stalling still hangs the whole browser, and the flash plugin also hangs the whole browser sometimes

9/20/2008 8:55:32 PM

^it does hang the whole browser, but at least you can kill off a tab's process independently

9/21/2008 1:49:43 AM

yeah, but using the Windows taskmanager, you can't tell which tab is hanging it, i don't think....
you could of course use the built in Chrome taskmanager, if the whole browser wasn't hung up, that is

9/21/2008 9:50:06 AM

yea, really good point^

you have no idea which process is why, it kind of makes the whole feature moot

9/21/2008 11:52:42 AM

what do you guys do to crash your browser? are you TRYING to crash your browser, or are certain sites prone to crashing it?

9/21/2008 3:11:30 PM

I might just use a shitton of tabs, but frankly that's something chrome should and specifically said they would cater to

9/21/2008 3:31:11 PM

I'm not actually talking about "crashing" the browser - i'm mostly annoyed with the momentary hangups, anywhere from 1 to 10 seconds. That shit happens in firefox all the time because if one tab in the background hangs while loading content, it will hang the whole browser until it finishes loading. But in Chrome, this should not happen if the multi-process and sandboxing is implemented correctly

9/21/2008 3:33:57 PM

Not that relevant to the thread, but I was amused by the message Chrome gives when you decide to open an incognito window:

Quote :

"Going incognito doesn't affect the behavior of other people, servers, or software. Be wary of: - Websites that collect or share information about you - Internet service providers or employers that track the pages you visit - Malicious software that tracks your keystrokes in exchange for free smileys - Surveillance by secret agents - People standing behind you"

^Yeah, I have noticed far less slow-down across all tabs when using Chrome compared to FF or IE.

9/22/2008 9:17:23 PM

I think there are fewer slowdowns/hangsups from normal tabs than there are in FF, but then again, "i was led to believe" that all inter-tab interactions would be eliminated.
Also, the Flash and Shockwave plug-ins are very bad culprits. If I have a flash moving loading in one tab, I can almost guarantee that the whole browser will hang-up at some point.

of course, i am running the unsupported Win2k hack, so maybe that has something to do with it...

9/22/2008 9:30:05 PM

Doubt it's Win2k, Flash plugins and the like fuck with the whole browser for me as well. Usually if it's a potentially browser-crashing issue in a certain tab, though, I can pretty easily tell which tab to close since I rarely have more than 6 or so open in a single window. Unlike FF/IE in which an error in a single tab gives me "This Program is Not Responding".

Only thing I miss from FF:
Ability to click in my mousewheel and quick-scroll around pages (why the fuck didn't they implement that?)
"Recently Closed Tabs" button in History

[Edited on September 22, 2008 at 9:39 PM. Reason : .]

9/22/2008 9:38:55 PM

I love how it takes GOOGLE releasing a web browser to finally realize that Adobe's Flash plug-ins cause 99.99999% of sluggishness, crashes and bullshit across pretty much every browser.

9/22/2008 10:04:26 PM

well, that's been obvious on Mac browsers for a while now

9/22/2008 10:06:27 PM

ruh-roh....
looks like someone in the Chrome team has been too sneaky for their own good, and didn't bother to cover their tracks. OSS can be a bitch like that
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/chrome-antics-did-google-reverse-engineer.ars/2

part of the source code

Quote :

"// Completely undocumented from Microsoft. You can find this information by // disassembling Vista's SP1 kernel32.dll with your favorite disassembler. "

aaaaand, part of the Windows EULA

Quote :

"You may not * work around any technical limitations in the software; * reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble the software, except and only to the extent that applicable law expressly permits, despite this limitation; * use components of the software to run applications not running on the software; * make more copies of the software than specified in this agreement or allowed by applicable law, despite this limitation; * publish the software for others to copy; * rent, lease or lend the software; or * use the software for commercial software hosting services. "

9/22/2008 10:41:52 PM

Nothing wrong with that. Reverse engineering to gain insight into proper compatibility is widely recognized. It's not stealing trade secrets, it's using undocumented, but public, API calls.

9/22/2008 10:49:06 PM

so how do you work around
"You can find this information by disassembling Vista's SP1 kernel32.dll"

and

"You may not ... decompile or disassemble the software"

9/22/2008 10:59:49 PM

Because there are established limits to the breadth of what can actually be done legally.

a EULA still is bound by the limits of law, hence the "except ... to the extent that applicable law expressly permits" which allows for reverse engineering to allow for better interoperability (which is what google is doing in this case). Microsoft won't sure over this, and I doubt it'll ever be made a big deal of, unless it's to rant against MS on how terrible they are about fully documenting their API's

9/22/2008 11:18:26 PM

anti-trust ftw

9/23/2008 10:40:43 AM

Noen's answer sums it up. But also, just because a company says you are not allowed to do something in their own EULA does not make it law.

For example, people that run valet services often have signs saying they are not legally responsible for anything that happens to your car while in their possession or in their lot but that RARELY holds up in court when someone actually sues them for something.

9/23/2008 10:55:53 AM

oh and to further expand on my statement, that is not to say that you can ignore stuff in there; it IS an agreement you are getting into after all. But at the same time, make sure you read things like this carefully because there are things that you CAN do legally in any contract for any service you are using (computer or not) that the person writing the contract will try and word in a way such as to deter you from doing so - even though you have a legal right to do certain things under the law.

9/23/2008 12:46:56 PM

yeha i haven't read this whole thread and chrome is not really worth the time to read this whole thread

but i find myself leaving chrome open for all my gmail, gcal, greader, and rememberthemilk needs and then using firefox for everything else because of how accustomed i've gotten to all my extensions and seeing no ads, etc.

but the javascript engine speed is unmatched in firefox - think they'll integrate the engine into other browsers now?

9/23/2008 1:49:41 PM

Quote :

"think they'll integrate the engine into other browsers now"

no, all the other browsers have their own JS engines coming out soon, which are rumored to be as good or better than Google's.

Chrome uses V8
FireFox 4 will use Tracemonkey
Safari 4 will use Squirrelfish
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/09/19/squirrelfish-extreme-mops-floor-with-v8-tracemonkey

9/23/2008 2:01:33 PM

snap

when's safari 4 coming out

9/23/2008 2:22:20 PM

the guy that ars linked to in the disassembly article is one of my favorite bloggers. he's created a program http://www.hanselman.com/babysmash/ while learning WPF, which I've been following since I took my current job, also doing WPF. my daughter enjoys playing babysmash pretty much daily

9/23/2008 8:34:01 PM

Is there an ad blocker for this thing yet?

9/23/2008 9:46:18 PM

I haven't read this thread entirely but wtf is with chrome hanging when opening/scrolling PDFs.

9/23/2008 9:57:53 PM

all of the sudden Chrome decided its not going to open/run anymore... just won't start up. nothing happens at all. i've rebooted, same thing. wtf

9/23/2008 10:15:53 PM

YouTube videos don't work for me at youtube.com, but embedded videos work fine.

Kinda wish Google's site would work with their own browser.

9/29/2008 5:47:06 PM

yeah, Flash, and especially youtube, doesn't work for me either. it's ironic that i have to open FireFox if I want to watch youtube.....
I have been using Chrome as my primary browser (on Windows) otherwise, and i'm liking it more and more. The speed is great, windows and tabs open instantly, I really like the minimalist toolbar now, I love the auto-hiding bookmarks bar, the address bar works great.

9/29/2008 5:53:25 PM

i switched to the dev channel the other day and it proceeded to choke and die to the point i had to reinstall. so maybe i wouldn't recommend that.

so far its been good, but indeed, i still need to go back to firefox for a few things. youtube and flash mostly work for me in Chrome, but if i mess w/ the volume control it all goes to poop

9/29/2008 7:22:27 PM

flash still works fine for me in chrome

no problems with it except i want the extensions to start rolling out like mouse gestures, adblock, tab mix plus at least, then a downthemall for porn, etc.

9/29/2008 9:45:47 PM

Fucking love this browser.

Haven't opened FF in days.

9/29/2008 10:26:20 PM

I can't last more than 10 minutes on it because of all the ads. After being ad-free for nearly 3 years, I just can't browse the internet with ads.

9/29/2008 10:52:08 PM

^This.

9/30/2008 12:08:03 AM

Main reason i can't use it is the choppy scrolling. Gives me a head ache after a few minutes of reading engadget. Seems like they could fix it easily enough. Although i guess it's kind of a hardware issue.

9/30/2008 12:34:05 AM

^qft. sadly, i'm now used to manually click/dragging the scroll slider now...

9/30/2008 1:10:50 AM

I tried IE8, Google Chrome and FF3.

I went back to IE7 and kept FF3. Chrome and IE8 are both awesome in a lot of ways, but neither is at all stable or reliable enough with performance to make it worth my while

9/30/2008 1:19:26 AM

Clearing my cache seemed to fix the Youtube problem.

9/30/2008 1:58:41 AM

Quote :

"I can't last more than 10 minutes on it because of all the ads. After being ad-free for nearly 3 years, I just can't browse the internet with ads."

http://lifehacker.com/5046529/how-to-block-ads-in-google-chrome

9/30/2008 8:39:19 AM

i've been using chrome now since it came out - i am loving it vs firefox

ie7 is slow and blows. only use it when i am required to.

9/30/2008 1:53:34 PM

The only reason I will not (yet) use this 100% over FF is that is poorly renders the css, namely the anchors in new posts, on some forums I visit. Other than that, this is not a FF killer (yet), but def it is going to take a lot of it share in the browser world.

9/30/2008 2:03:26 PM

^^^that's a web proxy, even if they say it's non-cached, i'm not browsing through someone else's proxy

9/30/2008 2:12:48 PM

ummm, 127.0.0.1 is your own proxy

127.0.0.1.... A.K.A. localhost

9/30/2008 2:24:57 PM

Proxy 101

Shamefully I admit that I still do not fully understand proxies.

9/30/2008 2:31:51 PM

^^sorry i was reading privoxy's website, not lifehacker's, didn't realize it was manually set.

[Edited on September 30, 2008 at 3:35 PM. Reason : .]

9/30/2008 3:34:51 PM

I just installed chrome after using the IE8 Beta for awhile. I am amazed at how fast the pages load on this -- even on a lp that was made in 2004.

10/1/2008 12:22:57 PM

all these people are focusing on the aesthetics but is there any plugin for pre-fetching pages like Chrome does or enhancing the Javascript engine speed, which are the only 2 good things I can see in Chrome?

http://lifehacker.com/5059213/turn-firefox-into-a-google-chrome-clone

10/6/2008 5:57:17 AM