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4/25/2012 8:37:24 AM

Do we know when the trial starts? Haven't been on top of this in awhile

4/25/2012 8:55:07 AM

I really hate arguing with gun control haters about this fucking case.

I don't see any reason why civilians are allowed to walk around with concealed weapons. If that dude didn't have a gun, then the worst case scenario is that there is an old-fashioned fist fight and somebody ends up running away scared. Period.

There is no need in this country for people to be walking around with concealed weapons.

[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 9:25 AM. Reason : fd]

4/25/2012 9:25:04 AM

Yeh, only the trustworthy government and criminals should carry guns!

4/25/2012 9:25:48 AM

That's a pretty old argument that the gun industry is using to make bank. And it is a very circular argument: by following a suspicious person at night one is creating the need to carry a concealed weapon.

I would counter that it's mostly the civilians doing dumb shit, like following a suspicious person in the middle of night or walking down a dark and lonely alley, might possibly need a weapon. Very rarely does shit like Va Tech happen, and the police force most definitely keeps the criminals contained to certain areas.

[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 9:48 AM. Reason : sa]

4/25/2012 9:45:16 AM

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"the police force most definitely keeps the criminals contained to certain areas"

thats the first time I've LOLed in a few days, thanx

4/25/2012 9:47:23 AM

Well, you'd be wrong on two counts.

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"the police force most definitely keeps the criminals contained to certain areas"

L O fucking L.

God damned delusional.

[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 9:49 AM. Reason : .]

4/25/2012 9:49:10 AM

^^ Exceptions are gonna happen, but until you walk through a ghetto scared shitless, you don't realize how safe you actually are in the "white" parts of the world.

4/25/2012 9:50:03 AM

We get it. Arm the criminals and the man!

4/25/2012 9:50:54 AM

It's news to me that the "white parts" of the world don't experience home invasions or crime.

I think you're buying into that Cary mindset of "bad things don't happen here."

4/25/2012 9:51:57 AM

Relative to the actual ghettos, no, bad things don't happen nearly as frequently. Plus, protecting yourself from home invasion is completely different: If you want a shotgun in the closet or a fucking attack dog that is trained, go right ahead. You have the first amendment right to protect yourself and family. But to walk around in public with a concealed weapon? That is completely unnecessary and nothing but a ploy to sell guns.



[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 9:58 AM. Reason : fd]

4/25/2012 9:57:02 AM

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"First amendment right to protect yourself"

4/25/2012 10:05:54 AM

^^Thankfully, our first amendement right doesn't specify in the home as it would be stupid to assume that one won't need self-protection outside of the home.

4/25/2012 10:12:35 AM

i think i messed my ammendmants uop

4/25/2012 10:15:50 AM

Holy shit, there are still people idiotic enough to support gun control?

Let's make it so that only the government is allowed to carry guns. That should end well.

4/25/2012 10:25:47 AM

4/25/2012 10:26:03 AM

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"I really hate arguing with gun control haters about this fucking case."

Shit, I hate talking to people on either side of gun control that can't help themselves from interjecting their beliefs because it seems they cannot peel away the extraneous information and see that this has nothing to do with guns. How would the case be any different had Zman pulled out an ink pen and shoved it through Martin's jugular? This case has everything to do with self defense, SYG, deadly force, and legally gray areas (eg when does following someone become harassment/stalking). The real issue is that one of them had a legal right to use deadly force and the other did not. Either you believe Zman's story and think the trial is a waste of time or you don't believe Zman and hope the truth comes out. You either think SYG should protect those without sufficient evidence of self-defense or you think without sufficient evidence a trial and/or grand jury should be default.

I mean if you want disagree with concealed carry and/or SYG and even use this very situation as a bullet point, then I can understand that, but at the end of the day, Zman was within his legal right to carry and SYG is currently the law of the land in FL.

[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 10:40 AM. Reason : Basically that's a whole 'nother]

4/25/2012 10:30:26 AM

yes I agree

4/25/2012 11:02:42 AM

You know, I hear about outrage from the black community, and honestly, on the point that the cops aren't there to protect them, they are entirely right.

Police aren't there to protect any of us. They're there to protect the government.

4/25/2012 11:04:38 AM

Blacks should arm themselves if whitey is really out to get them. Wait, leftists support racist gun control. Too bad.

4/25/2012 11:10:53 AM

gun control isn't racist as much as it is the hazard of living in poverty.

The drug laws though and enforcement are much more racists in comparison to gun control.

4/25/2012 11:21:16 AM

I didn't realize this was a how racist is it pissing contest.

4/25/2012 11:22:36 AM

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"Police aren't there to protect any of us. They're there to protect the government. "

I remember a while back reading about this very issue and how many police dept's. were going away from the serve and protect motto, along with removing it from the side of cop cars

4/25/2012 11:24:25 AM

HERE WE GO AGAIN:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/charges-dropped-against-couple-arrested-after-tryi/nMgQq/

Two white redneck "community watch" people accost a bi-racial couple at gunpoint who is changing the locks on their new home. The new owners get immediately arrested, community watch guys get let go.

4/25/2012 2:50:15 PM

If a stranger tries to change my locks I hope some gun wielding neighbors question them, too

4/25/2012 2:54:52 PM

^^I thought it was their son's house (the people who originally got arrested) and then I thought the neighbors got arrested?

BTW, the neighbors should be arrested. Fucking idiots.

[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 2:57 PM. Reason : .]

4/25/2012 2:57:27 PM

^^ What is wrong with you?

You pick up the phone, dial 911, problem solved.

4/25/2012 2:58:44 PM

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"If that dude didn't have a gun, then the worst case scenario is that there is an old-fashioned fist fight and somebody ends up running away scared. Period. "

Hindsight is 20/20 and even then yours seems cloudy. Sure, we know in hindsight that Trayvon wasn't armed. That doesn't mean he couldn't have had a weapon. You're a fool if you think the worst that could happen is somebody ends up running away scared. Did you miss the allegations that Martin was on top of Zimmerman bashing his head into the concrete? Did you not see the bloody pic of the back of Zimmerman's head? You seem to have no clue what one adult (or close to it) is capable of doing to another if they decide to go through with it.

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"I would counter that it's mostly the civilians doing dumb shit, like following a suspicious person in the middle of night or walking down a dark and lonely alley, might possibly need a weapon. Very rarely does shit like Va Tech happen, and the police force most definitely keeps the criminals contained to certain areas. "

That's right...Blame the victims. You got robbed or assaulted? It's your fault for walking down a dark and lonely alley. Again, you're showing a serious lack of insight here. People get robbed in downtown Raleigh parking decks. They get robbed on busy streets. They get robbed at stoplights.

Furthermore, situations occur that are out of your control. How many people have had to walk or catch a cab to some ghetto impound lot in the middle of the night because their car got towed? Not everyone has a job or lives in an area where they can just avoid bad areas altogether and even then you're not as isolated from violence as you might think. Ever think about the how vulnerable you are if your car breaks down on a country road at night? Ever think about how much more vulnerable your parents or girlfriends are than yourself as a healthy young male?

You blame victims while simultaneously telling people they don't need to protect themselves. Poor form.

4/25/2012 3:06:42 PM

^ Those are all valid points for people to keep their wits about them: Not to go out handing off weapons to idiot civilians. Look, how many people have to get shot before you realize that we are better off without concealed weapons?

4/25/2012 3:33:09 PM

You live in a fantasy land, don't you?

4/25/2012 3:33:52 PM

No, but in my world I am not the center of the universe.

For every guy that gets stranded on a country road at night, there are probably 10 idiots out there that think that they have every right to walk down a shady dark street at 5 in the morning, get mugged, and then cry about how they need a weapon to defend themselves.

You are doing a really good job of sounding convincing and all, but the reality of the situation is this case and not your aww shucks country boy that gets stranded. There is no reason why Zman should have been following a suspicious person, but he did something stupid and somebody dies.

[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 3:47 PM. Reason : dF]

4/25/2012 3:38:11 PM

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"If a stranger tries to change my locks I hope some gun wielding neighbors question them, too "

LOL

i assume you're being sarcastic but i don't think in the history of the world there's been a rash of criminals going around changing peoples' locks, esp. older people.

And presumably, the couple had the original keys to the house (how else are they going to change the locks??). And if the house had been for sale, who breaks into a probably empty house to steal things? Who brings new locks to an empty house, that was formerly for sale, and has the keys for the house that's up to no good?

I'm all for people being vigilant and being aware of their surroundings, but there's a point where vigilance becomes stupidity and paranoia.

There's nothing that the redneck neighbors did that made any sense in this case really.


[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 4:32 PM. Reason : ]

4/25/2012 4:30:09 PM

^this.

but this:

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"who breaks into a probably empty house to steal things"

actually happens. thieves break into abandoned, foreclosed, and empty homes hoping to score copper, among other various household items that typically remain in houses.

4/25/2012 4:34:58 PM

^ Yep. A friend of the family owns a plumbing company and he tells me these stories all the time. Most of the time they don't even turn the water off, so the repair bills frequently break $10k in damages after water warps all the floors, destroys the sheetrock, etc. And if they rip the core out of the HVAC Compressor you can add another couple thousand bucks. All so some sorry POS can get a couple hundred bucks worth of copper plumbing and wiring. But hey, all homeowners are wealthy folks with great insurance, right?

I actually know someone in Louisburg who had this happen to her late grandfather's house. Ripped the wiring straight out of the walls and stole all the plumbing. Empty homes are easy targets.

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"Look, how many people have to get shot before you realize that we are better off without concealed weapons?"

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"Population, United States http://www.google.com/publicdata 311,591,917 - Jul 2011"

I'm going to go with 311,591,916.
Final answer.

[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 4:58 PM. Reason : l]

4/25/2012 4:52:29 PM

People break into empty houses all the time to steel copper. That's not really the point though. And I see what you were getting at...

The point is it's probably better to call the police who are (supposedly) trained to handle these types of situations appropriately, and it's probably better not to inject yourself directly into a situation like this in case something does go wrong.
Another point... just because you (the community watch party) may have had good intentions does not excuse you from punishment in the case that you're wrong.

Shit son...in this case as well as the Trayvon Martin case....both "community watch" parties would have been much more effective with a goddamn video camera than they were with guns.





[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 5:52 PM. Reason : L]

4/25/2012 5:27:18 PM

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"The point is it's probably better to call the police who are (supposedly) trained to handle these types of situations appropriately, and it's probably better not to inject yourself directly into a situation like this in case something does go wrong."

Exactly. And firearm proponents stress this all the time. Using a firearm is a last resort, not a first; thus these neighbors were wrong in their actions.

[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 5:32 PM. Reason : .]

4/25/2012 5:31:48 PM

4/25/2012 5:45:16 PM

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"The point is it's probably better to call the police who are (supposedly) trained to handle these types of situations appropriately, and it's probably better not to inject yourself directly into a situation like this in case something does go wrong. Another point... just because you (the community watch party) may have had good intentions does not excuse you from punishment in the case that you're wrong."

Agree fully.

4/25/2012 5:47:22 PM

4/25/2012 6:02:19 PM

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"actually happens. thieves break into abandoned, foreclosed, and empty homes hoping to score copper, among other various household items that typically remain in houses."

They break into the houses to steal the copper, then change the locks...?

[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 6:52 PM. Reason : ]

4/25/2012 6:52:11 PM

Banjo, your picture....











Explains it all

[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 6:58 PM. Reason : .] m

[Edited on April 25, 2012 at 6:58 PM. Reason : m]

4/25/2012 6:57:52 PM

haha, you are terrible at this TWW machine!!!

4/25/2012 7:00:15 PM

^^ What picture bro, step up son!

4/25/2012 7:24:10 PM

He posted the one of you with long hair, but couldn't figure out how to embed it.

4/25/2012 7:24:59 PM

That was when I was 17. It was long because I was into music at the time. Now I'm just clean cut.

4/25/2012 7:28:55 PM

So, a few pages back, I was jibberjabbing and whatnot....basically saying 'I wonder if the judge when considering Zimmerman's bail was taking into account the fact that he had a website set up taking donations'...

well....

Apparently not. Zimmerman's attorney put forth the case that Zimmerman had no money...and neither did his family.
Turns out that his website raised him about $200k
shit son...that's just a little less than I make in an entire year!

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/26/justice/florida-zimmerman-money/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


I'm not going to go into it again, but yeah...
1. Most people go to jail right away, preventing them from setting up websites soliciting donations
2. Dude wasn't broke


el oh el ololololol

4/26/2012 8:57:12 PM

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"Look, how many people have to get shot before you realize that we are better off without concealed weapons?"

more people are killed by cars each year than by guns. how many people have to get run over and smashed into before you realize that we are better off without vehicles?

4/26/2012 10:43:23 PM

^^ Damn son. TWW pays good.

That, or affirmative action and government contracts are awesome for minorities!

4/26/2012 11:20:02 PM

^^very true, too many idiots driving cars...

4/27/2012 12:20:23 AM

When I apply for a job, the hiring staff always wanted to know if I have a mode of killing people.

4/27/2012 1:05:18 AM