Quote :

"Sure it does. It creates a stand for it and gives you a keyboard to type on."

So does the Logitech Bluetooth Keyboard, the case can be used as a stand.

$40 < $150



[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 2:37 PM. Reason : .]

11/28/2011 2:36:38 PM

No issue with that at all. I have a bluetooth keyboard for my phone. I'm simply saying it would be more difficult to use that set up on the go in a car or plane. Especially if it's on your lap. Plus it just doesn't look as nice as the entire assembly:



But yes if you want to save $100 then go for it.

-Plus you get the sweet multi touch pad which apparently integrates really nicely with ICS.

[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 2:54 PM. Reason : s]

11/28/2011 2:49:43 PM

+275% (3.75x) in price for looks.... you got me there, no logical argument against that.

11/28/2011 2:58:57 PM

Quote :

"+275% (3.75x) in price for looks.... you got me there, no logical argument against that."

Looks, convenience, usability, extended battery, multi-touch pad. If the touch pad integrates with ICS as well as they say it does it will be pretty sweet. Very worth the money.

11/28/2011 4:28:20 PM

Quote :

"Multi-touch pad"

lolwut, isn't that the nature of owning a touchscreen tablet?!?!?! it's like selling a pet rock... when you have plenty of rocks outside in your yard... i bet sales people love you.

[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 4:47 PM. Reason : .]

11/28/2011 4:45:35 PM

That analogy doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's intended to be used a laptop too. Read some of the reviews. They all emphasize the keyboard dock and how well the keyboard/touch pad integrates with Android. It's the whole freaking point of the device.

I don't understand why you're so set against the dock and yet you still want to integrate an awkward keyboard with it IF you need to. Why not just use the one that was designed for it? Sure if you don't want to spend the money that's fine.

I see no problem with having a tablet/touchscreen AND being able to use a trackpad with it. Maybe instead of dragging out my laptop I want to browse the web with a trackpad instead of touching the screen. What's the harm in that? I thought the whole one device mentality was the point here. I want the OPTION to use either the touchscreen or trackpad.

I mean you pre-ordered a $500 tablet with new technology as an early adopter and now you're complaining about how silly it is to buy the $150 keyboard that is sold with it and just use a cheap Logitech one instead.

11/28/2011 5:01:17 PM

Quote :

"It's intended to be used a laptop too"

It's a keyboard, I don't know why you keep saying it's a laptop. It's still running on a tablet using Android OS, there's nothing about it that makes it a laptop just because you added a keyboard. By that analogy, a smart phone could be called a laptop by adding a keyboard to it. Extended battery? It already has a 12-hour battery life. A dock? It's only docked so it can act as a stand and to add a USB port. You know what else acts as a stand? A case. Peripherals are where they make their money. I have no qualm ordering a $500 tablet because that's where the technology is at. The keyboard dock is not an integral peripheral for a tablet.

Quote :

"They all emphasize the keyboard dock and how well the keyboard/touch pad integrates with Android. It's the whole freaking point of the device. "

90% of the content in the reviews are on the tablet itself... not the dock. what i've read is on the keyboard shortcuts, which the logitech has the same keys and the same shortcuts.

even the review link you posted earlier, he doesn't even mention the mousepad, he said he used the keyboard and the touchscreen in combination, not the mousepad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p0D-mXIzlKc&t=1m40s

If you have a review or something in particular that explains how the multi-touch mousepad ADDS functionality to what the regular tablet touchscreen can already do... I'd love to read about it, in all seriousness.

[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 5:31 PM. Reason : /]

11/28/2011 5:10:14 PM

I still don't get your point though. I'm simply saying I'd pick the Asus keyboard over the Logitech keyboard disregarding price. My only point was that as a whole I believe the Asus keyboard offers a few more features and better compatibility with the Prime. That's all. As to whether people will use it or not I'll let the post-release reviews decide. I just thought it was a cool idea to have the option to use a trackpad instead if you so desire.

The one I posted does mention the keyboard:

http://ritchiesroom.com/2011/11/28/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-first-look/

Quote :

" What would the Transformer Prime be without the second component, the keyboard dock, that gives it the coolest name in consumer electronics? The keyboard has been slimmed down and there is a UX-inspired tapering of the front of the keyboard, to remind us that we’re in Zen-like company. It almost looks like a netbook-sized Ultrabook. Like the keyboard before it (which is not cross compatible with the Transformer Prime), the new keyboard places some commonly used Android commands as shortcuts on the keyboard, like back, search and home. If you use the keyboard enough, you’ll find yourself using these quite often while the keyboard is connected. Like a premium netbook, the island keys are well placed for regular and long session use. The keyboard also follows the tradition of supplementing the main unit’s battery life with its own battery, giving the total package up to 18 hours battery life. As per the original Transformer, the keyboard can feed a charge to the Prime tablet, keeping the tablet running for the good part of an entire day, or a long international flight. The keyboard also adds a couple more inputs not available on the main unit: a full size SD card slot and USB port. I think at least one more USB port could have been added, considering the support for USB devices that Honeycomb, and by extension Ice Cream Sandwich, has now integrated into the platform, making it easier to connect more storage devices and other accessories. To complete this overview, I have to say that as a single unit, the keyboard and tablet combined still feels reasonably light. At just over 1.1kg combined, it can very easily sneak into a large handbag or a small backpack with no issues. With the inclusion of Polaris Office, and the use of Google Docs, this could very well be the mobile productivity device of choice. The Transformer Prime has made a pleasing progression from the debut model. Without the keyboard, the Transformer Prime is the Android tablet we’ve all been waiting for, in form factor and performance. The keyboard adds another dimension of usability because of its tight integration with the Prime tablet and well-thought key layout."

I don't know it sounds cool. Especially if it's only $100 more in a combo deal or something. He doesn't mention the trackpad. I'll try to find the article that praises that integration.

[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 5:39 PM. Reason : s]

11/28/2011 5:31:32 PM

^i know it mentions the keyboard, i posted a link to the video where he explicitly states that..... my inquiry was about the mousepad and why that's such a big deal.

Quote :

"I'm simply saying I'd pick the Asus keyboard over the Logitech keyboard disregarding price."

that's what i'm saying too, it just sounds like you're making it out to be more than a keyboard/extended battery that's all... i just can't see the justification in the cost other than you want it... which is fine, hence why i was poking fun at making a logical argument against it

i mean you say it's only $150 more, but that's like saying i'm going to pay 30% more on top of the price just so i can have a keyboard... it's STILL a lot of money.

sorry, i have no idea why i'm arguing about cost... if you have the money which i know you do, and if you want it, then get it. i'm just arguing about the value of the product.

[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 5:54 PM. Reason : .]

11/28/2011 5:47:33 PM

I enjoy the functionality of the multi-touch pad on laptops and see potential in these newer tablets if they start to integrate keyboard/trackpad combos. I still prefer browsing the web with a mouse/trackpad over a touchscreen and if this gives me the option to make that decision on the fly then more power to it.

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"more on top of the price just so i can have a keyboard... it's STILL a lot of money."

Again you're downplaying it. We are both assuming we're going to have SOME type of keyboard whether it's an extra $50 or $150. So the monetary difference gets even smaller. Then you've got to consider the portability. The Asus keyboard folds up and doubles as a case, supports it as a dock, provides extra battery life, more ports, trackpad. It's not JUST a keyboard. I'm still holding to the point that it adds laptop/netbook like functionality to the device that a bluetooth keyboard does not.

I mean I can't count the number of times I've seen businessmen on airplanes trying to fiddle with an iPad dock or bluetooth keyboard JUST so they could use their tablet instead of yanking out their laptops. Trying to deal with a keyboard that isn't attached is a pain especially if you're traveling. Every time I relocate I have to move both devices, etc. Gets annoying.

Quote :

"i mean you say it's only $150 more, but that's like saying i'm going to pay 30% more on top of the price just so i can have a keyboard... it's STILL a lot of money."

I have a suspicion they'll start offering it as a combo deal for $50 less. This is the problem. I rarely argue the value of a product. Just the functionality and how much I think I'd actually use it.

11/28/2011 6:05:22 PM

Update for Approval:

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

Fan: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

MoBo: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131790

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL (x2)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314

Video Card: EVGA SuperClocked 012-P3-1572-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card (x2)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130595

Thanks!

11/28/2011 6:10:37 PM

^love it!

^^

Quote :

"Again you're downplaying it. We are both assuming we're going to have SOME type of keyboard whether it's an extra $50 or $150. So the monetary difference gets even smaller. "

$150 is 30% of $500
$40 is 8% of $500
The difference of $110 is 22%, it's not like we're talking chump change.

Quote :

"It's not JUST a keyboard. I'm still holding to the point that it adds laptop/netbook like functionality to the device that a bluetooth keyboard does not. "

You are adding a touchpad for a touchscreen device. And a USB & full-size SD slot. That's it. The keyboard is exactly the same as the Logitech with the same shortcuts, and the case of the bluetooth keyboard acts as a stand so no difference there. Then you're adding a battery to a battery, so while you're adding battery capacity, you have to ask yourself do you need it and will you ever use it. The iPad has a battery life of 10+ hours and you don't see people jumping on external power packs for them.

Quote :

"I mean I can't count the number of times I've seen businessmen on airplanes trying to fiddle with an iPad dock or bluetooth keyboard JUST so they could use their tablet instead of yanking out their laptops. Trying to deal with a keyboard that isn't attached is a pain especially if you're traveling. Every time I relocate I have to move both devices, etc. Gets annoying. "

Fiddle? It's a keyboard. You pull it out and turn it on. It's got like 1-extra step than the dock in the fact that you have to pull it out of it's case. That's it. You make it sound like it's got cords or something.

[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 6:22 PM. Reason : .]

11/28/2011 6:19:45 PM

^^chris that's almost EXACTLY what I just got

Only difference is I got 16gigs of ram and I got the Sapphire Radeon 6950

My ASUS VS248H-P 24" monitors just got here and they are ridiculously bright, but look fantastic.

[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 6:21 PM. Reason : ^]

11/28/2011 6:20:57 PM

I would say if you're going to spend $700-800 on video cards I'd push for 2 580's or maybe just one 580 now and get a second later. That's a lot to spend on cards with only 1.25GB of VRAM. I know I know I keep overemphasizing the issue but it seems silly to spend that much on cards if you're going to be getting fps drops all the time.

Or get even consider 6950's. You can get them with 2GB.

I guess you can find the 570's with 2.5GB of ram too:

http://www.amazon.com/025-P3-1579-AR-GeForce-GTX-Graphics-Card/dp/B005AY5N9O/ref=sr_1_7?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1322522624&sr=1-7

Quote :

"You are adding a touchpad for a touchscreen device. And a USB & full-size SD slot. That's it. The keyboard is exactly the same as the Logitech with the same shortcuts, and the case of the bluetooth keyboard acts as a stand so no difference there. Then you're adding a battery to a battery, so while you're adding battery capacity, you have to ask yourself do you need it and will you ever use it. "

And here you're downplaying it's functionality as a dock. It supports it, acts as a case, stores along side it. That Logitech is longer than the actual Tablet. Probably cumbersome to carry with it and ugly compared to the actual Asus keyboard.

Quote :

"The iPad has a battery life of 10+ hours and you don't see people jumping on external power packs for them."

Once you start watching a movie that estimate will drop considerably. I still don't get your point. What are you arguing for? I said I didn't care if it were $50 or $500 extra for the keyboard. I'm simply pointing out it looks cool and I'd probably use it frequently. You tend to jump down someones throat if they offer a more expensive alternative.

[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 6:30 PM. Reason : s]

11/28/2011 6:24:29 PM

^yea, i just looked into that today, i like the (2) 2.56GB GTX 570 route.

sticking to this:

Quote :

"sorry, i have no idea why i'm arguing about cost... if you have the money which i know you do, and if you want it, then get it. i'm just arguing about the value of the product."

i don't care what you do, i'm just discussing the value you seem to see in this device. i have a hard time swallowing why anyone would buy something that doesn't have a good value. if you have the money fine, buy it, but it doesn't imply good value. obviously rich people don't care about value, they care about what's best, no matter the cost. i'd wager the average person would say that it's a waste to spend it on devices that do not offer good value. i argue on the side of what offers best bang for your buck, and it's almost never the most expensive option... but i understand that's all IMHO and not everyone sees things this way. at $99 i probably wouldn't have brought it up. at $49 i probably would have bought one myself. it's not the device, it's the value of what you're getting in regards to what you're paying. i'm not saying you should cheap out on everything, just find something that does it's job really well, looks great, and is at a reasonable price. simply put, for 30% more money, i do not see a 30% increase in value in the device.

[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 6:46 PM. Reason : .]

11/28/2011 6:29:48 PM

Neither of us NEED a tablet with a Tegra 3 just like neither of us NEED to constantly upgrade our PCs. It's just funny you get hooked up such a cheap upgrade to a sweet tablet when we're talking about buying 2 $350-400 video cards to crank up settings by a couple notches.

I just think it looks cool and might prove to be very handy. If I get one and it doesn't then I'll return it.

11/28/2011 6:53:39 PM

WOAH, I didn't say anything about NEED. I am strictly talking about VALUE. Please don't confuse the two.

And I'm suggesting (2) 570's, not (2) 580's. While the 580 is clearly better, there is not a 50% jump in performance to justify the 50% higher price.

It's actually a $70 keyboard on sale for $40. Logitech is awesome, I don't know what you're talking about.

[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 7:06 PM. Reason : .]

11/28/2011 6:55:35 PM

Yeah I was being sarcastic. Yeah but the 580 makes me feel 150% better than the 570 because the number is higher.

11/28/2011 7:01:48 PM

You are better, there's no doubt. It's all about the 120fps

[Edited on November 28, 2011 at 7:07 PM. Reason : .]

11/28/2011 7:06:17 PM

I meant the 80 over the 70. Haha. Truthfully I haven't had much time to game recently. Too many other things going on. I doubt I'll even get the Prime right away. I just sold my personal laptop in favor of my company one. Don't think I need another device to carry around just yet.

11/28/2011 7:11:43 PM

At the risk of sounding retarded, dual-channel DVI is the same video quality as high speed HDMI, right?

And they're both preferred over single-channel DVI?


[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 7:18 AM. Reason : dur dur]

11/29/2011 7:17:34 AM

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/29/nvidia-announces-special-edition-gtx-560-ti-with-448-cuda-cores/

Neato a 560ti with 1.25GB of VRAM. Another option between the 560ti and 570.

^Kind of. Depends what you're doing. You won't need dual link unless you're running at really high resolution or it's a 3D monitor.

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 10:41 AM. Reason : s]

11/29/2011 10:40:46 AM

^^it doesn't matter unless you're over 1920x1200 @60Hz

[Edited on November 29, 2011 at 10:57 AM. Reason : .]

11/29/2011 10:49:28 AM

^Well technically if you're at 1920 by 1080 and the monitor is 120hz you require dual-link DVI.

11/29/2011 10:51:42 AM

or HDMI

11/29/2011 10:57:16 AM

Alright, the new rig is up and running! I'll post a pic of the guts soon.

11/30/2011 6:34:36 AM

nvidia cards cost way too much for what they deliver. for $200 you can get a 6950 2gb with games, for ~$250 you can get a 6950 reference and unlock it to a 6970. You'll have more vram and can support 6 monitors on 1 card vs nvidia's 2 displays per card.

if you want physx, get a gts210 passive cool and stick it in an spare pci slot.

with a single 6950 I'm running bf3 with everything at max besides AA (that's at 4x) and I don't see it drop below 45fps at 1920x1200. When my adapter gets here this week, I'll be playing most games (probly not bf3) at 5760x1080. all of this with a 500w psu.

the cost to run nvidia is just too high for a minimal increase in image quality, that only exists on games that heavily use tessellation

11/30/2011 8:53:53 AM

I agree, ATI wins in the "cost" arena.

How's the ATI 3D Ready support going?

Oh that's right, it doesn't exist...

11/30/2011 10:09:11 AM

Anyone playing Arkham City? Game is quite fun. Looks pretty good too.

11/30/2011 10:36:38 AM

^^I don't actually care to play games with a shitty illusion that makes my head hurt with heavy glasses on. the only time I've enjoyed 3d gaming was with an nvidia surround projector setup with 3 projectors

11/30/2011 11:39:49 AM

^^
Yes, it's awesome, especially in 3D.

^ That's just one example of ATI's many support failings. You can focus on that one example if you want, but you would then be missing the larger point/criticism.

Personally, I would rather pay for more quality cards and more quality support, then less for less.

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 11:48 AM. Reason : -]

11/30/2011 11:45:18 AM

I mean, what quality are we speaking of here? the cards are all made by the same oems and fab facilities? sure there are different designs to the gpu itself but I'd argue the only objective measure of quality is in performance, which amd has and in much greater amounts per dollar.

I'm not about to enter some fan boi e-battle as I'm always on the side of performance/$ which changes often enough (I've used intel, amd, nvidia, ati interchangeably with each generation).

The only support you can measure from the actual chip designer is drivers, which both provide satisfactory levels in my experience. Then again, I don't waste my time overclocking anything, I just buy what I need.

11/30/2011 12:59:41 PM

I think he just means PhysX, CUDA cores, 3D and better driver support.

But if all you do is play games, I don't see much difference. All graphics cards are priced competitively so if one card is slightly slower or faster than another, it's typically priced such.

11/30/2011 1:14:16 PM

Nvidia cards use what used to be referred to as "CISC" (Complex Instruction Set Code) architectures. Meaning Nvidia GPUs run more complex computing tasks compared to ATI's "RISC" (Reduced Instruction Set Code) architecture. So, the less complex the games are, the faster they can run on ATI's "RISC" architecture. The newer and more complex games, (DirectX11) run far better on the more advanced CISC Nvidia GPU's with their inherent CUDA, 3D Ready, Phys-X techs. Not to mention great driver support (Nvidia Beta drivers were released day before BF3 release, included SLI support for BF3/Skyrim/etc). If price is no object, the Nvidia GPU is King. It's overall the better GPU for future-proofing a rig. The only advantage currently favoring ATI is the price.

^
Right. It just depends on what you are looking for, but apples to apples, Nvidia provides more quality products.

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 1:23 PM. Reason : -]

11/30/2011 1:18:30 PM

do you even know wtf you are talking about? games aren't "complex" now compared to before. adding op codes proved to be slow and for the longest time now most operations per cycle on a processor create a buffer and translate the "complex" operations to risc and you get more MIPS doing that. "cisc" is pretty archaic and is being dropped as a whole (see ARM chips making their way into the data center).

games run faster with cuda? do you even know what cuda is? cuda is only useful for gpgpu which, takes advantage of highly pipelined RISC architecture for effectively number crunching. that's the last thing you'd want loading gpu in the middle of a game trying to ray trace or calculate lighting.

stop spouting bullshit and dropping terms to give the impression that you know what you're talking about

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 3:08 PM. Reason : not a fanboi again, but misinformation is some bullshit.]

11/30/2011 2:52:44 PM

It wasn't misinformation, I was explaining the GPU tech differences that separate Nvidia from ATI. If you are viewing the entire GPU experience through the veil of non-3D, non-PhysX, non-tessellation, non-DirectX11, with spotty driver support, then you will be happy with ATI GPUs.

11/30/2011 3:47:42 PM

scored a cooler master hyper 212 for 15 bucks and a wireless n router for 10.

12/1/2011 12:38:13 AM

I swear. Here I thought I finally had all the problems worked out with my new PC, but noooooooo. It's been working just fine for about 2 weeks, and suddenly last night it throws me a "display driver has stopped working" message. I look in the device manager, and only 1 of the 2 GTX560Ti's is being recognized. I pull both cards thinking that it's hardware failure, but both cards work just fine when running solo. I uninstall all drivers and roll back to standard VGA to see if it's a driver problem, but now Windows is giving me a "device cannot start" error message with 1 of the cards. It's a Code 43 with NVIDIA drivers, and Code 10 with Standard VGA. I can't yet conclude if this is a hardware failure with one of the cards or a failure on the motherboard to recognize SLI. Either way, Gigabyte and MSI are both on my blacklist and I will never buy any of their products ever again. This is proving to be WAY too much trouble with new components.

12/8/2011 3:19:30 PM

Are your video cards MSI and your Mobo Gigabyte?

12/8/2011 3:24:06 PM

^mine is and I get the same issue with my 570... i resolved the issue temporarily i believe by rolling back to an older beta driver version and wiping, then a clean install

12/8/2011 3:25:50 PM

^^ Yup.

I've verified that both graphics cards function just fine in all 3 slots on the motherboard. I've flashed the GPU BIOS on each card individually again for good measure. I've tried the last 3 (with 2 betas) NVIDIA drivers from fresh installs. I've run Driver Sweeper in safe mode to verify that all of the NVIDIA stuff is being scraped out. Next resort is to ONCE AGAIN reformat and reinstall Windows. I'm getting so fucking sick of this. I've never had any problems like this with any other computer which I have ever built.

12/8/2011 4:00:11 PM

alot of gaming forums i read have said that the latest beta Nvidia drivers are horrible

12/8/2011 4:16:42 PM

What concerns me most is that after uninstalling all video drivers, booting into safe mode and running Driver Sweeper, and then rebooting, I see in the device manager that there are 2 Standard VGA Graphics Adapters but only 1 of them is "working properly" according to Windows. (The device cannot start, Code 10.) But yet both cards work just fine individually in all 3 slots. I'm really starting to suspect that the motherboard is having some sort of communications problem.

Looks like I get to reformat the whole machine AGAIN to rule out Windows as being the problem.

12/8/2011 4:30:54 PM

I don't think it's the OS, I think it's the Gigabyte mobo. It sounds like MSI and Gigabyte don't play nicely. I have no issues with my ASUS + MSI cards. Granted, it could be a problem with the MSI video cards too, they don't interface well with Gigabyte.

[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 4:44 PM. Reason : -]

12/8/2011 4:43:30 PM

I think it's a shitty MSI card, my Gigabyte motherboard has worked fine with other Nvidia cards and drivers. (at least for me)

gs7 has AsRock & MSI and no issues, so it's probably just an incompatibility with the MSI card & Gigabyte motherboards, i guess both are to blame... i've just never had issues with Gigabyte and compatibility before, but have had issues with MSI before.

[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 5:00 PM. Reason : correction]

12/8/2011 4:44:55 PM

^

Which is really shitty. I'd do some internet research on their incompatibility.

12/8/2011 4:47:13 PM

I think I'm pissed at both pieces of hardware because I don't know which of them is most deserving of the blame. I just knew I should have gone with Asus and eVGA... For that matter, I wish I hadn't bothered building this machine at all now.

12/8/2011 4:47:49 PM

^^^Correction, I have ASRock Z68 EXTREME4 GEN3, and no problems with the same MSI GTX570.





[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 4:49 PM. Reason : .]

12/8/2011 4:48:02 PM

Windows reformat complete - same problem with a fresh install. So how do I rule out one piece of hardware or the other if both cards work in all 3 slots of the motherboard?

12/8/2011 5:21:06 PM

Sounds like a BIOS setting or a incompatibility with the motherboard BIOS period. That would be my first inclination. Second would be the PCI-E power cables, make sure both are good, or swap cables but don't swap slots. Third would be make sure you have enough amperage on your 12V for SLI. Did you update your motherboard BIOS?.... those are all the ideas I have. Chances are slim you have two bad cards... just sounds like a setting on the motherboard is causing issues. Or it's a REALLY REALLY bad NVidia driver.

[Edited on December 8, 2011 at 5:26 PM. Reason : .]

12/8/2011 5:26:37 PM