kdogg(c) All American 3494 Posts user info edit post |
didn't see it 6/7/2012 9:38:55 PM |
wilso All American 14657 Posts user info edit post |
going to go in with lowered expectations at a matinee showing tomorrow
should be good to go 6/7/2012 10:33:00 PM |
Kickstand All American 11596 Posts user info edit post |
I don't get the appeal of these movies. Dumb concept. Nothing special. 6/7/2012 10:55:10 PM |
ENDContra All American 5160 Posts user info edit post |
So Im considering seeing this in 3D (I only do 3D if it was shot that way)...the real IMAX downtown is showing MIB3 instead, are the other "IMAX" theaters worth it? Or is "regular" 3D the way to go? 6/8/2012 12:10:03 AM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
Ok that was pretty awesome. 6/8/2012 2:18:32 AM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
Goodmovie, but leave tons ofquestins. Many people will be dissapointed because it is one if those movies that leaves everythig to the sequel.
Lots of unanswered questions.and its not really mysterioustype questions but there areway too many plot holes 6/8/2012 4:00:26 AM |
jbtilley All American 12797 Posts user info edit post |
The Matrix Reloaded left a lot of questions for the sequel too... just saying that for all anyone knows it's just a standalone movie with a lot of plot holes.
I don't really have plans to see this but I was a bit curious so I read the plot synopsis on wikipedia. It left me with a few questions, maybe the same ones the actual movie leaves you with...
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1) So why did the android inject someone with some goo that was brought back? I'm assuming that it calculated that it was some life form that would do something if allowed to interact inside someone and that it wasn't just an alien kool-aid jammer that was lying around. Also... motive? Maybe the android was instructed to do that, or were they trying to make an homage to HAL?
2) Were there any actual alien aliens in this movie? Sounds like they wrote a generic scifi movie about extra terrestrials and shoehorned in an extremely tiny slice of alien so they could use the brand to market the movie.
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stuck flex All American 4566 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " As the Hollywood Reporter tells us, Lindelof clinched a three year TV deal at Warner Brothers, where JJ Abrams has also set up shop. As for whether he'll be back for the Prometheus follow up, Lindelof told the Reporter a sequel to Prometheus isn't necessarily a given, explaining to Todd Gilchrist: ??"Ridley was very interested in talking about, 'What are the answers to the questions that Prometheus is posing that are not necessarily definitely spelled out in the body of Prometheus?
"I said to him, we should be prepared for people to feel frustrated if we're going to be withholding, so we have to be careful about what we're saving for later. It's not a foregone conclusion that there are going to be sequels, so if there isn't [one], just be comfortable with what we gave them in this movie."" |
Reads like Ridley was nervous about the public's reaction to Lindelof's script. Your reaction to Prometheus will probably depend on you reaction to Lindelof's other work.6/8/2012 8:12:25 AM |
testrada All American 1692 Posts user info edit post |
----- SPOLIERS -----
Quote : | "
1) So why did the android inject someone with some goo that was brought back? I'm assuming that it calculated that it was some life form that would do something if allowed to interact inside someone and that it wasn't just an alien kool-aid jammer that was lying around. Also... motive? Maybe the android was instructed to do that, or were they trying to make an homage to HAL?
I think David was most likely instructed/programmed to since the goo transfer, through the drink, would have resulted in death and violating Asimov's laws. Androids in other stories have been programmed to go against the no kill law but they usually are rare and expensive as well as occur in limited supply by a manufacturer such as Weyland. Also, because this was Weyland's android it may have been left open in terms of quest for knowledge since Weyland wanted information and the live engineer had not been discovered until they went back out to the ship the second time. This movie gives a great deal of screen time to David, showing his curiosity and setting up his own quest or his desire to assist the quest for the next movie.
2) Were there any actual alien aliens in this movie? Sounds like they wrote a generic scifi movie about extra terrestrials and shoehorned in an extremely tiny slice of alien so they could use the brand to market the movie.
There was the one that resulted from the Xenomorph/Space Jockey incubation similar to what is seen in Alien. Scott seems to be using this movie to actually show where it came from briefly while making a new story line that happened to intersect the Alien story. With that said, I think making the Space Jockey more human like is bullshit. I liked it better as a less human looking creature and felt he twisted and forced the explanation of the look as some kind of armor/exoskeleton. This might have been discussed already, but I really think Scott has some kind of problem with where the franchise went or with the fact that Cameron created a higher rated film (probably think that because I'm tired).
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[Edited on June 8, 2012 at 8:56 AM. Reason : ]6/8/2012 8:49:32 AM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
I was like I'VE BEEN THERE! During the first scene on the Isle of Skye. Hiked that exact location twice.
6/8/2012 9:05:03 AM |
Jeepin4x4 #Pack9 35774 Posts user info edit post |
Damon Lindelof is a fraud 6/8/2012 9:09:19 AM |
red baron 22 All American 2166 Posts user info edit post |
Terrible fucking movie. Huge disappointment. It looks beautiful, but the story, script and editing suck.
Ill write a better review when I have more time, but I am not trolling. I am a huge Alien fan as I have stated before in this thread, and for me the series will always end with Alien3 6/8/2012 11:14:17 AM |
stuck flex All American 4566 Posts user info edit post |
Reviews on this movie are all over the place. 6/8/2012 11:26:06 AM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
I still think it was great. Script was great and editing was awesome. The scale of the movie was immense. Much better than I expected. 6/8/2012 11:35:29 AM |
red baron 22 All American 2166 Posts user info edit post |
I dont know how any real fan of the Alien series can not be EXTREMELY disappointed in their explanation of where the xenomorphs came from.
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Holloway drinks the mutation goo, then has sex with Shaw and impregnates her with the squid thing, which she removes by surgery, and then the squid thing mutates into a giant face hugger ancestor, which impregnates an engineer with the xenomorph ancestor. Honestly that is a pretty retarded chain of events when you stop and think about it. And it really is a disappointing way (even by its own internal universe logic) to explain the birth of an iconic character. 6/8/2012 11:42:17 AM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
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I thought it was kind of epic how that happened. Don't think it took away from the overall film at all. In fact I'd argue the whole interaction between David, Holloway, Shaw, and the engineer resulting in the xenomorth was pretty awesome. Makes you rethink a lot of what goes on in Alien.
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Mr. Joshua Swimfanfan 43948 Posts user info edit post |
Xenomorth sounds like a Harry Potter character.] 6/8/2012 11:59:42 AM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
6/8/2012 12:05:38 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
But why did the space jockey leave the ship and chase after her?
Alao, why isnt he seen in his chair at the end?
Those are my main issues. Other than that I thought that it was legit. I liked the whole Tree of Life ties that are in the film. 6/8/2012 12:26:42 PM |
testrada All American 1692 Posts user info edit post |
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Quote : | "Honestly that is a pretty retarded chain of events when you stop and think about it. And it really is a disappointing way (even by its own internal universe logic) to explain the birth of an iconic character." |
I get why that would be an issue but I didn't dwell on it too much since it was kind of established before this movie that the current alien from Alien looks the way it does because of the interaction with human DNA. The other thing is the since it was a kind of bio weapon it probably was designed to go through the steps that way.
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wolfdawg4 All American 5866 Posts user info edit post |
The main parts of the movie take place between 2093-94. Is there a date given in Alien? I feel there is enough of a time gap to have another movie that would end with a space jockey in the chair as seen in Alien. 6/8/2012 12:34:08 PM |
gunzz IS NÚMERO UNO 68205 Posts user info edit post |
should i go to the IMAX in cary or will regular ole 3d work? 6/8/2012 12:39:11 PM |
neodata686 All American 11577 Posts user info edit post |
I would say it's a must for imax. I don't usually say this but the scenery and just immense scale of the movie wouldn't be as impressive on a smaller screen with less powerful audio. The ships, landscapes, pretty much everything about the film is BIG and it lends itself really well to the imax.
The 3D was also perfect. Not too overwhelming and blended really well into the shots. The really long landscape and tunnel shots were perfect for 3D. Not really popping out at you and the added depth really enhanced the movie IMO.
V Both Alien and Blade Runner were released with mixed reviews as well and look what happened to them.
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disco_stu All American 7436 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Reviews on this movie are all over the place." |
73% on RT with 87% Audience.
Seems good to me.6/8/2012 12:46:56 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
People are not gonna appreciate te mystery that was in the movie that was very reminiscent of Alien. Lke why are the Spacejockeys so motivated to destroy earth? In the final scene, it was apparent tht as soon as David told the space Jockey that they were from Earth he went Ape shit. Why?
Exposition is pretty common place in the cinema these days, and while there was some information dumping, it was not nearly as bad as in movies such as Conception or even A Midnight in Paris.
[Edited on June 8, 2012 at 1:02 PM. Reason : d] 6/8/2012 1:00:45 PM |
wilso All American 14657 Posts user info edit post |
Is "Conception" the prequel to "Inception"?
Unfortunately this movie was a total letdown. Just watch the first trailer and use your imagination to fill in the blanks for a better film. 6/8/2012 1:40:44 PM |
stuck flex All American 4566 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "73% on RT with 87% Audience.
Seems good to me. " |
Didn't mean to imply that it was an overall negative reaction, just that there isn't the typical love it / hate it type of reviews. Many of the reviewer sound conflicted. Guys over at aintitcool news say it gets better upon repeated viewing. Movies that take a while to appreciate become my favorite, so I'm actually encouraged by the current reactions.
10pm tonight!!!6/8/2012 1:46:55 PM |
red baron 22 All American 2166 Posts user info edit post |
Here is my main gripes with the movie.
There will be SPOILERS in my review.
First off, I really really wanted to like this movie. I really tried. During the first act I was really getting into it and really enjoying the scale, visuals and epicness of it all, but then the second and third acts just really fell apart. I dont know if it was a bad script or just bad editing, but the movie just really felt disjointed and all over the place. There was absolutely no character development for the majority of the crew, and they were just basically there for a body count.
My absolute main gripe is that there were a bunch of scenes that were just not connected to each other.
First off, Holloway gets sick and starts to mutate and is eventually incinerated, but then the rest of the crew goes along like this never happened. They never try to analyze why or what caused it.
They find the leaking bottles of ooze, but never once try to analyze what the substance is.
They find the one crew member dead in the cave with the snake inside of him, but they never really try to figure out what the thing was that killed him, and the snake is never referenced again.
Then the mutated Fife goes on a killing spree, and kills a bunch of crew members, but the rest of the crew never try to figure out why he mutated, why he flipped out, or what even caused him to mutate. In fact after that scene, no one even speaks about it like it never even happened. They make no reference to it or the fact that a bunch of men just got killed. Shaw then realizes she is pregnant with an alien, so she has it removed surgically, and then tries to kill it. However after this she goes on like nothing had happened to her. She is back exploring the cave like nothing was wrong. She doesnt speak about it with the rest of the crew, they dont mention it to her, and they make no attempt to analyze or study what even happened to her or what the life form even was. If I just surgically removed an alien from myself Id be a little more inquisitive into WTF just happened, but its never spoke of again.
Weyland shows up halfway through the movie with a few more new expendable bodyguards and crew members, and no one really seems to care or make a big deal about it. Honestly, the surprise of him showing up was pretty pointless, and he could have just been with them the entire time.
Basically, the crew and scientists experience a bunch of weird and dangerous encounters, but there is never really any mention of previous scenes or scenes of the people trying to figure out WTF was going on. they just keep exploring like nothing was happening. The characters dont act like any normal person would in those extreme situations.
In ALL the other Aliens movies (I refuse to count Resurrection and I am adding Prometheus to this list now) there are scenes of the characters reacting and discussing the unusual events that they are facing. They are trying to figure out what is happening, what they are dealing with, and trying to make a plan to survive. When major events happened in those movies, they are referenced later in the film. On Nostromo, the crew is seen many times discussing the situation and trying to figure out what is happening, especially as the situation keeps getting more dire. Same thing in Aliens. The survivors are seen in the lab, learning about what they are facing, and trying to deal with the situation. Even in Alien3 (which I personally love) there are scenes of the prisoners talking about the situation and what they are facing. When characters were killed off, it generally mattered and had an impact on later events.
In Prometheus, as the situation rapidly deteriorates, there is no real group discussion or analysis of what the fuck is going on. No one seems concerned about anything, and the survivors go on like business as usual despite person after person getting picked off.
It offers up a ton of questions that are left unanswered, and Im ok with that because Alien did the same thing, leaving the origins a mystery. But within the movies own internal universe and story, the characters really showed no reaction to what they were facing. They just kept going like nothing was wrong, trying to talk to the engineers.
I also thought the chain of events that created the actual Alien was retarded. For me personally, I will not consider this movie cannon towards the alien serious. For me it will always be a trilogy with some questions left unanswered.
[Edited on June 8, 2012 at 1:55 PM. Reason : .] 6/8/2012 1:50:52 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
Did you miss the scene where the Cappy and Shaw have a discussion about the black ooze the engineers and the fact that they should just GTFO?
Plus, it was obvious by Weyland showing up that they he really just funded the mission so that he could contact the engineers and maybe have them prolong his life. If he had been on a ship all along then people would have figured this out.
[Edited on June 8, 2012 at 3:08 PM. Reason : g] 6/8/2012 3:08:08 PM |
roguewarrior All American 10887 Posts user info edit post |
A lot of people are complaining about how the Xenomorph came about in this movie and how it ruins Alien. However, there are other Xenomorphs prior to this movie...I don't think that is the first one. It was certainly weird how it happened, but I don't think it ruins the whole mythos.
Also the Space Jockey in Prometheus isn't the same one that is in Alien. It isn't even the same planet. 6/8/2012 3:51:59 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah I dont get that. It was obvious and stated in the plot that chest bursters had wiped out the space jockeys. 6/8/2012 4:04:42 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
This pretty much sums up how I feel about the movie: http://www.memphisflyer.com/SingAllKinds/archives/2012/06/08/answers-prometheus-part-ii
If indeed this is turning into a franchise akin to the matrix, im on board.
Also, does anyone notice if the Space Jockey has male or female parts?
[Edited on June 8, 2012 at 6:38 PM. Reason : ced] 6/8/2012 6:30:53 PM |
Money_Jones Ohhh Farts 12521 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "A lot of people are complaining about how the Xenomorph came about in this movie and how it ruins Alien. However, there are other Xenomorphs prior to this movie...I don't think that is the first one. It was certainly weird how it happened, but I don't think it ruins the whole mythos.
Also the Space Jockey in Prometheus isn't the same one that is in Alien. It isn't even the same planet." |
pretty much exactly what i came to post after reading the thread. Did people miss the silver placard in the giant head room that they showed multiple times with a picture of a Xenomorph on it?
I think red baron 22 has some valid points, it did notice some of the things he mentioned while watching, but for some reason it didn't really bother me. I liked it.6/8/2012 7:14:17 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
^ I don't really think so. They did discuss the goo and the impending doom and what to do about it. Shaw also repeatedly questioned if she was contagious at which point David stated that there was no further need to worry. Consider the fact that after she had her c-section that they had just learned about the living engineer and that they were going to be able to meet and greet with him. Think about it, if you had the chance to meet with your creator and have a conversation with him/her, would you be worried or thinking about anything else?
I really felt like they handled that scene perfectly. Yes she just had to cut a fetus out of her, but if there were spend 5 minutes debating about it then it would have taken away from the gravity of the moment.
Plus, who is the guy that the captain referenced too as the owner of his little music box? I didn't recognize the name.
[Edited on June 8, 2012 at 7:47 PM. Reason : jh] 6/8/2012 7:42:52 PM |
red baron 22 All American 2166 Posts user info edit post |
I read an article someone posted on IMDB that basically stated that Jesus was a space jockey and that the race was going to wipe out hummantiy 2000 years ago because they crucified space jockey jesus. however at some point the space jockeys weapons turned against them and they were destroyed.
thats reading a bit much into it.
More of my isses with this movie. SPOILERS below.
On a side note, the effects of the goo were so inconsistent and stupid that its basically just a lazy plot device. If an engineer drinks the goo, he breakes down into genetic material, seeding the earth and creating life. If holloway drinks the goo, he slowly mutates into something that is able to sexually reproduce alien squid face hugger things. If the worms crawl in the goo they turn into bigger worm/snake/cobra things. If Fife falls face first into the goo, after having acid melt his face, he turn into an infected agressive night of the living dead zombie.
Also, with the classic xenomorph that we know and love, it is implied that the "classic" ones already exist because of the mural on the wall that looks like the original from Alien. So one can infer based on cannon that they were created or engineered the usual way....ie the engineers made a queen that laid eggs which produced face huggers which find a host which produces more aliens. Yet the movie implies that the very first ancestor to the xenomorph was created by an infected Holloway who fucks and impregnates Shaw with the squid face hugger which produces the early xenomorph.
I personally think that this ending was merely tacked on to appease fans and act as sequeal bait, and that it was never the intended ending. I also dont want to hear that "oh but see there are different types of aliens based on DNA" because you know damn well that was not what they were going for. they were implying that this alien was the FIRST, the ANCESTOR and the begining of the classic alien, therby ignoring the fact that they already had images in the movie of the classic one already existing. this ending and explanation is stupid, and obviously tacked on the make the fans happy that it feels like a prequel. they were absolutely implying that this alien was the ancestor and not just some new type we have not seen before.
And please dont tell me I am stupid or that I just dont get it or understand. That is such a fan boy response to mask or neutralize their own secret dissappointment, or as a security blanket to protect themselves from really critcally looking at the movie. I am serioulsy one of the biggest fans of the aliens movies you will find, and I really wanted to love this movie. I love the films, I read and collected the comic books and graphic novels as a kid, I also used to collect the toys and action figures and now the NECA modles, and I played all the video games. I am an admitted alien nerd. In short, I am not shitting on this move to be a troll or for fun, I am truly very disappointed with it because I wanted it to be great
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[Edited on June 8, 2012 at 9:18 PM. Reason : .] 6/8/2012 9:11:44 PM |
roguewarrior All American 10887 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Yet the movie implies that the very first ancestor to the xenomorph was created by an infected Holloway who fucks and impregnates Shaw with the squid face hugger which produces the early xenomorph. " |
I don't think that was the implication at all. That may be how you choose to read into it.
The way I see it is that the Derelict ship from Alien had eggs. An early form form of the bio-weapon. The ampules from Prometheus are a much more advanced form of the same weapon. The new weapon has been refined down infectious eggs in goo basically that are able to infect, mutate and eventually reproduce into a xenomorph.
That's just my theory though.6/8/2012 9:37:17 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
Thats what I like about it, the mystery. Very reminiscent of the matrix and alien 6/8/2012 10:24:26 PM |
red baron 22 All American 2166 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The way I see it is that the Derelict ship from Alien had eggs. An early form form of the bio-weapon. The ampules from Prometheus are a much more advanced form of the same weapon. The new weapon has been refined down infectious eggs in goo basically that are able to infect, mutate and eventually reproduce into a xenomorph.
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then why is the effects of the goo so damn inconsistent. it has a different effect depending on the scene, which to me is just a lazy plot device6/8/2012 10:48:20 PM |
dweedle All American 77386 Posts user info edit post |
maybe the goo is just a randomizing mutagen
or maybe there are different types of goos that just look similar 6/8/2012 11:06:50 PM |
duro982 All American 3088 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Yet the movie implies that the very first ancestor to the xenomorph was created by an infected Holloway who fucks and impregnates Shaw with the squid face hugger which produces the early xenomorph." |
You must have missed silver/puetor/whatever metal sculpture of the xenomorph in the room where they found the head of the space jockey, where the cannisters of ooz was, the worms, etc. They showed it like 5 times.6/9/2012 1:16:09 AM |
Axelay All American 6276 Posts user info edit post |
I haven't seen this yet, but I was wondering... knowing now that one of the engineers has a chestburster, is there any way in the story that perhaps the engineer was put into stasis after it was infected? Y'know, like what Burke was trying to do with Newt and Ripley. 6/9/2012 1:19:34 AM |
duro982 All American 3088 Posts user info edit post |
you're asking so I'm assuming you won't care about spoilers....
As far as the main plot goes, no. somewhat SPOILER coming right NOW: but there's reason to think there could be more engineers and that may even leave the planet prometheus takes place on. And there is no way to know if they're infected or not.
[Edited on June 9, 2012 at 1:33 AM. Reason : .] 6/9/2012 1:25:48 AM |
red baron 22 All American 2166 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "You must have missed silver/puetor/whatever metal sculpture of the xenomorph in the room where they found the head of the space jockey, where the cannisters of ooz was, the worms, etc. They showed it like 5 times." |
dude I mention the damn statue, mural thing several times6/9/2012 2:50:50 AM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
SPOILER
a couple of questions about the medpod
1. why the fuck was it only calibrated for a male, when the primary user would probably be a female? (charlize theron).
2. if the year is 2093, why is it that none of the ships in the future have this technology (alien, aliens, alien 3). probably would've come in handy a few times here and there
END SPOILERS 6/9/2012 9:41:42 AM |
Money_Jones Ohhh Farts 12521 Posts user info edit post |
^it was probably for her dad, and they said that there were only 12 of them ever made 6/9/2012 9:52:04 AM |
dweedle All American 77386 Posts user info edit post |
maybe it's been discussed, but I'm wondering why the Engineer went after Shaw instead of going to one of the other spaceships, seems like it would have been an easily logical thing to do for what appeared to be a rational species 6/9/2012 9:58:53 AM |
StingrayRush All American 14628 Posts user info edit post |
probably because he figured it would be an easy kill, then he could saunter off to another ship at his leisure.
^^ yeah i know only 12 were ever made, but that doesn't mean more couldn't be made, especially as technology improved. i dunno, i think the part about being for a man bugged me more, because you'd think it wouldn't be that hard to include programming for both men and women 6/9/2012 10:09:49 AM |
Jeepin4x4 #Pack9 35774 Posts user info edit post |
what i don't understand is if the Space Jockeys needed their exo-skeleton helmets on the planet, as we saw in every holographic visualization, how was he able to get from his ship to the escape pod without it?
Quote : | "Plus, who is the guy that the captain referenced too as the owner of his little music box? I didn't recognize the name." |
Stephen Stills of Buffalo Springfield and Crosby, Stills & Nash fame. It was his song, Love the One You're With, the Captain sang a line of before leaving to join Vickers]6/9/2012 10:26:22 AM |
RattlerRyan All American 8660 Posts user info edit post |
SPOILER (as if it really needs to be said again at this point)
I'm with red baron 22 in that my overall feeling upon exiting the theater was disappointment. The way the people acted just didn't make any sense at all. Shaw's husband falls ill and is burned alive in front of her and five minutes later it's like nobody even remembered/cared any more, not even Shaw. Why does David poison the dude in the first place, yet is all about helping Shaw at the end of the movie? There is a machine that repairs people practically instantaneously (only men, seriously that was retarded) but there's also a sick bay and team of medics? Not to mention that tiny little claw holds the mucus-covered squirming alien for like 5 minutes until the thing gets decontaminated. No weapons allowed while discovering a new planet (scientific expedition my ass)? There was no idea that a massive sandstorm was approaching with more than a five minute warning? The use of the term 'weapons of mass destruction' was annoying. The goo turns the 'tough guy' into the Incredible Hulk? The movie started just like Jurassic Park (intense sequence with mystery then cut to great discovery), and Stringer Bell crashing the Prometheus into the other ship was totally Randy Quaid in Independence Day. When Ash gets his head ripped off in Alien, he is terminated. When David gets his head ripped off, no big deal.
To me, there was a lack of originality in some places, but when they had their originality the plot was underdeveloped and not explained. I couldn't tell you half the characters names because only a few were even developed at all, with entirely too much attention to David. I was more pumped up about this movie's release than any other in recent memory, sigh. 6/9/2012 11:38:36 AM |
duro982 All American 3088 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "dude I mention the damn statue, mural thing several times" |
OK, i'll circle around and re-approach...
Quote : | "Yet the movie implies that the very first ancestor to the xenomorph was created by an infected Holloway who fucks and impregnates Shaw with the squid face hugger which produces the early xenomorph. " |
I think you're making some big assumptions.
The statue clearly implies they already exist, as you stated. Yet you go on to say that what happens in this film implies that Shaw's xenomorph was the very first ancestor to the xenomorph.... To me, "very first ancestor" means the very first one ever. Which is it, does the classic xenomorph already exist as suggested by the statue, in which case this one can't be it's ancestor and certainly not the very first one ever, or is this one it's ancestor which means the statue could not be a representation of the xenomorph we already know? I more logical conclusion, imo, would be that the classic xenomorphs already existed, and what was in the movie was simply a different version of a xenomorph. Chimps and Bonobos are very similar looking but are not quite the same thing. Additionally, other primates look somewhat like each other in a lot of ways, and still share a lot of the same DNA. I'm not sure there's any reason from the movie to think that it's THE ORIGINAL XENOMORPH rather than just something closely related to the xenomorphs we know. Or that it simply looks different based on it's host mother.
There is also no reason to think that what we see at the very end is the VERY first ALIEN. What we see is a version of the alien. Perhaps it's the first one and later evolves, but perhaps it's slightly different because it gestated in the engineer. Or perhaps they're cousins which come from a common ancestor (maybe the classic xenomorph in the statue). Just because something mutates and evolves doesn't mean the original line completely dies off.
We now the alien doesn't actually come from the engineers. They didn't produce this thing by attacking themselves. The alien coming from the engineer was simply showing the final phase of the bio-weapon. It was never meant to come directly from the engineers. You need the xenomorph to be created, the xenomorph (which may look different based on the host/mother) then finds and attaches to a host, does it's thing and then you have an alien, which also looks slightly different based on host.
IMO, that's all just as possible as this "ancestor" idea. I'd go along with "common ancestor", but original doesn't add up... as you've pointed out. Which makes it even more confusing as to why you think that's what they intended.
Quote : | "I'm wondering why the Engineer went after Shaw instead of going to one of the other spaceships, seems like it would have been an easily logical thing to do for what appeared to be a rational species" |
That was the first thing I wondered. Then I thought about the questions that weren't answered. Why did they create the humans on earth? And why were they want to eradicate them? Which made me wonder if that's why he went after her. For some reason unknown to us, they wanted to destroy the humans. And maybe it had to be every last one of them. The bio-weapon was unleashed onto the engineers LONG before earthlings had the ability to travel to that planet. Maybe he went after her because they needed ALL of the humans dead.
And that brings up the most interesting thing about this movie. Why did they create the humans. All of the cave drawings led the humans to that specific planet. If we created something and wanted it to find us, we wouldn't point it to weapons plant that was so dangerous it needed to be on a completely different planet than our civilization. We would point to either our true home, or more likely a welcoming "station" of some sort.
That specific planet was a bio-weapons manufacturing plant. They're suggesting that the humans came from that planet. That then begs the question, imo, were humans the original or another bio-weapon of the engineers? Maybe earth itself was one of their manufacturing sites? Now that is an interesting plot device and idea to me. And it could even be construed as commentary of some sort.
Granted, that may not be the case at all. but it's a question i left with.
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