^^
I don't personally think it's okay. I also don't think Paul Bannon expected to ever be working in the White House.

11/14/2016 1:21:43 PM

Went to The_Donald to see if it changed. It didn't. FFS man there are Soros/Jewish conspiracies on the front page.

You had a common enemy in Clinton, which is why they were welcoming.

11/14/2016 1:25:15 PM

Quote :

"Are we seriously debating whether or not the least qualified candidate in history, who only just took up politics last year as a hobby just to boost his own sense of self worth, and used nationalistic and racist sentiment to appeal to white impoverished America, actually deserves a chance? No, man. This was not a normal election. We did not have civil disagreements on minor policy disputes. We've slowly built up the largest and most destructive government for decades. We've created the largest surveillance state known to mankind, have the highest levels of incarceration on the planet, have the largest military that the planet has ever known, and have systematically stripped average Americans of their due process. And we just gave all of that to a madman who is now surrounding himself with members of the radical right who openly fan the flames of racial hatred and hyper masculinity (a message that is being received to a rabid base of gun owners, by the way). And you people want to give this motherfucker a chance? Fuck that. We're fucking screwed, man."

Pretty much this. Couldn't have said it any better myself.

11/14/2016 1:26:57 PM

^^
Just because he's Jewish doesn't mean it's a Jewish conspiracy. I mean come on. You're pulling the same shit as people who said everyone who dislikes Obama is a racist.

Soros = Koch brothers for hardline Dems. They have a right to dislike the guy.

[Edited on November 14, 2016 at 1:29 PM. Reason : .]

11/14/2016 1:28:47 PM

Quote :

"If I'm wrong about all this, I'm wrong. I don't care. We'll see."

Listen, I didn't mean to attack you (that's def how my posts came off) but all I'm asking is, once the shit starts to hit the fan, that you treat him the same way that you treated Hillary.

11/14/2016 1:29:48 PM

I've said that all along. I hope protesting is still cool when/if real shit happens.

11/14/2016 1:31:44 PM

^^^ separate. Soros conspiracies AND Jewish conspiracies (not to mention FOUR stories from PrisonPlanet on the first two pages).

Again I'm giving Trump a chance. I'm not giving a lot of his supporters and especially that Reddit community a chance.

[Edited on November 14, 2016 at 1:33 PM. Reason : X]

11/14/2016 1:32:49 PM

The left is starting to use the term "conspiracy theory" as a broad brush to avoid discussing very reasonable issues.

Alex Jones talking about the government poisoning frogs or whatever the hell it was is a conspiracy theory and should be dismissed as such.

George Soros manipulating currencies and funding very questionable groups for political influence is not a conspiracy, it's fact.

11/14/2016 1:41:27 PM

In terms of actual credibility have we heard anything about his businesses? It was MAJOR news when it was said that Chelsea was going to continue on with the foundation.

I've heard next to nothing about his actual for-profit business interests. Can anyone point me in a direction on that? I assume it's been talked about?

^ yeah man it's totally legit that Soros is going to start a war, abolish the electoral college and appoint Clinton commander. I read it on The_Donald!

[Edited on November 14, 2016 at 1:44 PM. Reason : ]

11/14/2016 1:41:58 PM

Quote :

"I've heard next to nothing about his actual for-profit business interests. Can anyone point me in a direction on that? I assume it's been talked about? "

Trump basically said he's going to keep letting his kids run the business and he's asserting there's no conflict of interest. There will be no divestment or meaningful separation.

Media is completely befuddled by this (as with everything trump says/does) so it'll take them a few days to try and understand the laws/precedents/impact of the unprecedented scale of this conflict of interest.

11/14/2016 1:48:28 PM

Quote :

"“Are you suggesting that when you say, ‘In a legal sense,’ are you suggesting that Donald Trump might sue Harry Reid?” Wallace followed up. “No I’m not suggesting that at all. I’m calling for responsibility and maturity and decency from someone who has held one of the highest positions in our government.”"

lololololololol

http://theslot.jezebel.com/kellyanne-conway-says-sen-harry-reid-should-be-very-ca-1788949224

11/14/2016 2:09:49 PM

im behind....

[Edited on November 14, 2016 at 2:11 PM. Reason : Lolz]

11/14/2016 2:11:17 PM

So about the businesses. Trump is pushing for highest security clearance for his kids. If you criticized the Clinton Foundation and not this you are a 100% fraud.

11/14/2016 8:03:16 PM

I assume you mean Raj Fernando?





Aren't Trump's kids some of his most trusted advisors? If you want your trusted advisors to advise you, they would need to know on what to advise you.

And, on the topic of security clearances, anyone who has never held a government security clearance and supported the Queen of Security Violations doesn't have any credibility in a discussion of security clearances.

That would be like you trying to explain how painful childbirth is because you saw a video once in high school sex ed.

Stay in your lane, mate.

11/14/2016 8:25:15 PM

You can throw a rock in DC and hit ten assholes with a top secret clearance.

11/14/2016 8:28:13 PM

Yep, and none of them did what Clinton did as Sec State.

11/14/2016 8:31:50 PM

Again, the only people to ever be charged with a crime related to mishandling of classified information actually did way worse. Petraeus, for example, took information he received at a high level briefing in a SCIF and handed it to his mistress. He was only charged with a misdemeanor. Nothing Clinton had on her email server originated from an SCI access control system. So actually, yes, plenty of people did way worse than what Clinton did as Sec State. What she did barely qualifies as a policy violation, let alone a crime. You've basically proven you're a liar who actually knows dick all about government security clearances.

11/14/2016 8:39:42 PM

I don't know. I've actually read a few of them. Some in the last year. I've shaken my head and laughed a little each time I got to the "unintentional disclosure" part.

Now I'll laugh even harder.

11/14/2016 8:42:27 PM

If there was anyone guilty of "unintentional disclosure", it wouldn't be Clinton. It would be whoever originally authored the email with classified information and sent it to her account. Remember, the primate email server thing is a red herring, having SCI on an @state.gov account would be no better. We know from the FBI investigation that she never actually authored an email with information originating from an SCI access control system. Comey, for as much as he fucked up, had it right when he said that the decision to not recommend an indictment was "not a cliff-hanger". They didn't have squat.

11/14/2016 8:53:56 PM

again, I've seen the NDA's. there is an explicit warning of "unintentional" disclosure...meaning intent doesn't matter

and the reason why "gross negligence" exists is when a person doesn't have intent, but the violation is so egregious that it cannot be ignored

and I just don't believe there was no "intent" with the emails we have seen (claims of her telling Huma to remove the class markings and then print, claims of her telling her maid to print)

there was definitely intent to set up the server and use it as her email while SecState...that there is intent...how could she, being the SecState and knowing the classification of information she was going to receive, not think people (staff, POTUS) would not send her classified information

again...I'm not expert in classi......nevermind

11/14/2016 9:15:46 PM

So, for the record you are OK with his kids getting all security clearances and still running his businesses of which we have no clue the extent of foreign entanglements of?

To be completely honest it doesn't matter much to me. They won't jeopardize their fortune. It's just the mental gymnastics that fascinates me.

11/14/2016 9:35:34 PM

^^Dude, what you're talking about isn't some secret statute that only people with clearances are privy to. It's right here,

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

so you can drop your "trust me, I'm an expert" act, you haven't demonstrated knowledge of anything that isn't publically available. You're also grossly misrepresenting the facts. There's no evidence that any SCI was "disclosed" to anyone without the requisite clearances. The State Department itself has already proven, with records, that the specific instance you're talking about was not a violation.

As for the email server, while it may be evidence of intent to circumvent FOIA, it's certainly not evidence of intent to mishandle classified information. You can't send/receive SCI on an @state.gov account either. Again, it was a red herring and only used as a talking point by the right to make the whole thing sound shadier than it was. Hell, the official @state.gov system was actually hacked, her server never was.

[Edited on November 14, 2016 at 9:50 PM. Reason : .]

11/14/2016 9:44:16 PM

Quote :

" Can't wait to see John Oliver EVISCERATE Trump! That'll show everyone! Ooh or maybe Lena Dunham will do another rap video."

OopsPowSrprs

http://www.theonion.com/article/dnc-aiming-reconnect-working-class-americans-new-h-54707

11/15/2016 1:34:44 PM

Quote :

"Obama in a state of denial about Trump, as Democrats work through the stages of grief"

I tend to agree with this. Obama needs to be gracious, but he's treating trump as a misguided youth who just needs some attention, instead of the manipulative narcissist Trump actually is.

Maybe Obama knows this, but he can't be too conciliatory towards Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2016/11/15/daily-202-obama-in-a-state-of-denial-about-trump-as-democrats-work-through-the-stages-of-grief/582a5edee9b69b6085905df3/

11/15/2016 1:41:18 PM

Can we give the President of the United States some credit? He did spend an hour and a half speaking with Trump, more since then I'm sure.

11/15/2016 1:54:34 PM

I'm sure it's a bit of Obama trying to manipulate him too. We know Trump reacts like a dog does to treats when given affirmation.

11/15/2016 2:11:41 PM

^^^^ lol, if that wasn't the Onion I would have believed that shit

The DNC should just buy ad time in Midwest stations to show Trump dancing to Hotline Bling on SNL. That would be 100 times more effective than anything they are planning now.

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 2:20 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2016 2:14:37 PM

Quote :

"Can we give the President of the United States some credit? He did spend an hour and a half speaking with Trump, more since then I'm sure."

It's not like he wanted to. It's more of the fact that he is under a huge obligation to at least try to teach they guy what it means to be president, since Trump seems to think he can just live life in Mar Lago mostly working from and commuting to Washington when he feels like it.

11/15/2016 2:19:49 PM

You guys are saying the exact thing I did when Bernie endorsed Hillary. Just something to think about.

11/15/2016 2:21:24 PM

You're equivocating Trump with Hillary and they aren't equally terrible. I know you refuse to admit that, but Hillary had actual political experience (whether you like what she did or not), while Trump's got nothing. Apples and rocks dude.

Feel free to give Trump a chance all you want. Whatever makes you feel better right now. But to question the rest of us who aren't going to support him until he proves us wrong isn't really fair.
And on top of that, plenty of Sanders supporters refused to give Hillary a chance, which is why we're in the situation we are in now.

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 2:33 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2016 2:30:55 PM

No he's definitively worse. I'm not asking anyone to support Trump, fuck no. I'm asking people not to burn it all down before he's even taken office.

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 2:36 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2016 2:34:56 PM

maybe it's semantics, but "giving him a chance" seems an awful like like supporting him.

11/15/2016 2:37:26 PM

I only meant keep an open mind. Support things like campaign finance reform and non-interventionism (if you're into that.) I'm just not all about the "fight everything" attitude I'm seeing on social media and regular media.

11/15/2016 2:42:47 PM

You have to take him at his word at this point, because he has zero political track record. There's reason to be concerned given his rhetoric.

This was not a normal election. He is not a normal candidate. And in all likelihood, he will not be a normal President.

Rub his head and give him a treat when does something good, sure. But don't leave him alone or he'll shit all over the rug and destroy the good furniture.

11/15/2016 2:49:21 PM

Or burn the entire house down, along with the rest of the neighborhood.

11/15/2016 3:46:37 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-15/trump-trade-snub-set-to-boost-china-s-bid-for-its-own-asia-pact

TPP had some big issues, but China will eat our lunch if Trump actually embraces the protectionism he's been calling for.

11/15/2016 4:31:25 PM

Quote :

"Total false equivalence. Every politician makes campaign promises and doesn't keep them. This is about what he's said after the election."

The evolution of the Trump-supporter rhetoric:

"I'm voting Trump because he speaks his mind and tells it like it is!"

"He didn't actually mean all those hateful things he said, he was in campaign mode."

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 5:40 PM. Reason : -]

11/15/2016 5:40:16 PM

I'm not a Trump supporter.

I give up. We are fucked, and it's everyone's fault.

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 5:47 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2016 5:45:05 PM

You kinda sound like one, or at the very least an apologist since you're making excuses for him and expecting people to have an open mind.

11/15/2016 5:46:44 PM

Quote :

"Can we give the President of the United States some credit? He did spend an hour and a half speaking with Trump, more since then I'm sure. "

I'm giving him some credit, I said "maybe he knows this".

But this is the MO of a bully that Trump has, he manipulates other peoples indulgence of social norms ("give him some credit", "wait and see", "maybe he's joking") to push his viewpoint, but does not indulge other people the same way, and this is how he gains ground. He did it through the primaries and election. It's the literal "give someone an inch, they take a mile". He's even specifically said a few times that if someone gives him grief, he gives it back 10x worse, which is what he did with Cruz's wife, or the "lock her up" rhetoric (scorched earth strategy).

If you want to see Trump continue to get his way, let him manipulate your innate sense of fairness, but based on the past 15 months, Trump is manipulating people.

The problem is this isn't a sustainable strategy, especially on the international level, where retaliation could be deadly or costly.


“When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time.”
? Maya Angelou

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 5:59 PM. Reason : ]

11/15/2016 5:55:13 PM

^^
Because I correct people when they spread media lies? And I agree with Obama on Trump?

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 5:56 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2016 5:56:25 PM

^^Not everything is about you. You just happen to be spewing the same crap the rest of them are. And not enough people are calling them on it. We can't let people praise a guy for being honest (especially while pegging his opponent as the most untrustworthy candidate in history) and then say "Oh don't worry about the racist, sexist, and homophobic stuff, he was just lying to get ahead."

11/15/2016 5:57:02 PM

you gotta be fucking kidding me

11/15/2016 6:06:47 PM

I guess you expect too much out of a group of people who are beyond pissed and completely terrified.

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 6:11 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2016 6:11:22 PM

I guess I assumed people gave an actual shit and would keep working if things got hard. I'm just going to give it a rest and wait until more cabinet members are chosen.

11/15/2016 6:14:31 PM

Oh people definitely give a shit, and they're also working hard. To stop him.

You are trying to convince people to be less reactive and patient, while they've already had enough and are going to do whatever it takes to play prevent defense for the next four years.

Sitting back and "seeing what happens" isn't all that proactive though. It's actually pretty lazy and based on optimism and hope.

11/15/2016 6:18:06 PM

What are they doing exactly? What is the goal of all this? Because I asked in another thread what I should be doing and no one had an answer.

11/15/2016 6:21:08 PM

From what I can tell based on the overwhelming number of friends I have on Facebook that lean left, they're figuring out which charities/organizations to donate to or join, how to mobilize and coordinate protests/demonstrations (none of them I've seen condones the BS that involves vandalism or violence), or how to vote in upcoming local elections. All of it is local stuff. And then you have nut jobs like me who are joining a far fetched independence movement for CA, but that want to work in tandem with other progressives to tackle a lot of the same issues on the local level.


[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 6:28 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2016 6:25:42 PM

nm

[Edited on November 15, 2016 at 6:27 PM. Reason : .]

11/15/2016 6:27:34 PM

Good to hear.

11/15/2016 6:27:58 PM