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"maybe in your personal opinion it doesn't, but history can be pretty unkind to shady coaches/athletes"

do think he isn’t as good of a coach because he got caught?

[Edited on September 28, 2017 at 2:36 PM. Reason : .]

9/28/2017 2:34:56 PM

Do you think he would have been so successful without paying for players?

9/28/2017 2:44:13 PM

do you think he’s the only coach to have paid for players?

you also still have to be able to coach the players

[Edited on September 28, 2017 at 2:52 PM. Reason : it’s not like he’s always had loaded rosters, either]

9/28/2017 2:46:12 PM

obviously he's still a great coach. but his reputation has been tarnished badly at this point. let's not act like this is the first scandal of his.

what could save his legacy and reputation would be if there's some insane fallout with dozens other coaches and schools and the scandal as a whole overshadows him specifically in it.

9/28/2017 3:01:27 PM

I’m not arguing that it isn’t part of his legacy, just that it doesn’t destroy it

and I’m pretty confident that this is just the tip of a really big iceberg

9/28/2017 3:10:19 PM

I mean if you still think Lance Armstrong is a hero, I could see why you'd think Patino would get a pass and deserves to be remembered for all the great stuff he did. Otherwise, nah.

9/28/2017 3:25:00 PM

have I ever claimed that Lance Armstrong is still a hero?

9/28/2017 3:32:16 PM

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"he’ll now be remembered for getting caught, but it definitely doesn’t destroy his legacy"

Yours Truly,
Joe Pa

9/28/2017 3:32:56 PM

I think its funny and telling that this whole thing started with a dude involved in the original UNC football scandal.

9/28/2017 3:35:08 PM

My question is when does Calipari's name show up?

9/28/2017 3:35:57 PM

The schools that are better at this stuff know that there were too many people involved here. They have one guy probably that handles all this and that one guy knows if anything were to ever happen he was acting as a lone wolf and no one knew anything. Clearly these other guys got sloppy and it caught up to them as soon as one person snitched.

9/28/2017 3:38:35 PM

^^^^ you really wanna compare pedophila and pay-for-play?

[Edited on September 28, 2017 at 3:39 PM. Reason : .]

9/28/2017 3:38:54 PM

Joe Pa wasn't a pedophile, he was a guy that didn't fire his friend for being a pedophile. And no, I'm not comparing the two, I'm comparing who coaches who have damaged reputations because of controversy, of which they are both now a part.

9/28/2017 3:50:31 PM

Roy knew. Dean knew. They both belong on this list we are making.

9/28/2017 3:52:44 PM

not all controversies are created equal

one controversy is common in college athletics

the other is not

9/28/2017 3:52:53 PM

I'm interested in the incidence of FBI investigation in college athletics. I'm not convinced "common" is the appropriate adjective

9/28/2017 4:00:45 PM

do you not think that pay-for-play has been going on for decades and decades?

[Edited on September 28, 2017 at 4:09 PM. Reason : .]

9/28/2017 4:09:19 PM

I would imagine that is pretty much pervasive in major college athletics

9/28/2017 4:22:32 PM

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"have I ever claimed that Lance Armstrong is still a hero?"

You're still not getting it. Athletes and coaches are capable of doing extraordinary things like winning multiple titles, breaking records, etc. But once one of them gets caught up doing shady stuff like doping, recruiting violations, point shaving, gambling, etc people tend to remember them for getting caught doing something unethical/shady vs. achieving greatness. You could say that's 'unfair', but that's about it.

You're arguing that his 'legacy' doesn't deserve to be tarnished, because despite being a slimeball, he still coached teams to multiple titles. I'm saying that this type of opinion tends to get shot down pretty quickly, because although cheating is an unsavory part of sports, most people are bothered when cheaters get caught red handed. It's the principle of the matter.

Personally, I don't really give a fuck about Patino, but he's got much bigger things to worry about than preserving his legacy now that the FBI is involved.

9/28/2017 4:51:48 PM

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"I could see why you'd think Patino would get a pass"

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"I don't really give a fuck about Patino"

9/28/2017 4:57:18 PM

See his legacy is already tarnished. People are already conflating him with Piterno.

9/28/2017 5:05:32 PM

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"You're arguing that his 'legacy' doesn't deserve to be tarnished"

no, I’m not

and your weird Lance Armstrong comparison makes zero sense

9/28/2017 5:52:45 PM

Ah, so you don't have an argument then. His name is being dragged through the mud and it will only get worse. Glad we cleared that up.

And the Armstrong example makes perfect sense if you get the concept that cheating (even it can occur in a variety of different ways, and some penalty are harsher than others) is still cheating, and most people have a problem with it.

9/28/2017 5:56:52 PM

when was Rick Pitino ever held in the same regard as Lance Armstrong?

the original point that was being discussed is Pintino’s legacy being destroyed. it’s not destroyed, and this is now part of said legacy

to argue that his legacy is now destroyed is to be under the assumption that he’s the only coach to have ever been a part of what he’s been accused of doing and that he was pure before any of this broke

[Edited on September 28, 2017 at 6:10 PM. Reason : .]

9/28/2017 6:05:07 PM

He never was. He's always had a shady past. The fact that you think his legacy is going to survive shows you still don't get it. LOL

9/28/2017 6:07:52 PM

the shadiness is part of his legacy

it was before, and it is now

9/28/2017 6:09:28 PM

is a 'legacy' a good thing to you or a bad thing?

9/28/2017 6:14:56 PM

it’s both

9/28/2017 6:15:59 PM

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""he’ll now be remembered for getting caught, but it definitely doesn’t destroy his legacy""

so what won't be destroyed? the part where he was always known for being shady? or the part where he was known for winning multiple titles?

maybe the word legacy is a tough word to use in this case, because I'm confused about what you're actually saying.

9/28/2017 6:19:33 PM

he’ll forever be known as an all-time great coach who was fired over a pay-to-play scandal

the scandal doesn’t outweigh his coaching achievements, therefore doesn’t destroy his legacy

all of which is part of his legacy

9/28/2017 6:23:37 PM

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"the scandal doesn’t outweigh his coaching achievements, therefore doesn’t destroy his legacy"

cool, you restated exactly the same opinion you had in the first place using slightly different words, but it's still an unpopular one- especially if you read how the media is reacting right now.

Time will tell how he will be remembered, but if he winds up in prison, my guess is that people remember why he got there before all of his coaching achievements. Kinda like Lance Armstrong is being remembered these days.

9/28/2017 6:31:40 PM

If UJust was banned from Sports Talk...he'd be a good dude.

Instead...

9/28/2017 6:32:37 PM

So I know you're a lawyer, but does the "I may have done X illegal thing, but I'm still awesome at doing Y, and I should be remembered more for Y than X!" defense fly in legal court?

Pretty sure it doesn't fly in the court of public opinion, but hey, I'm not a lawyer for either.

[Edited on September 28, 2017 at 6:41 PM. Reason : .]

9/28/2017 6:41:05 PM

Court of public opinion is pretty fucking fluid.

Bob Knight is still a coaching legend and I wouldn't let him teach my son how to tie his shoes.

9/28/2017 7:25:55 PM

state fans arent going to let this legacy thing go because they've practiced it with jimmy v for decades

9/28/2017 7:55:33 PM

^, ^^ excellent points

9/28/2017 9:04:03 PM

Louisville are goners. With Carolina, they have a lot of power in the ACC as its oldest blueblood. Louisville are a jonny-come-lately only added to increase geographical footprint.

9/29/2017 6:11:11 PM

....and UNC benefits from this shit by getting a commitment from Nassir Little/player 12. Because of course.

10/4/2017 8:02:55 PM

98% of Adidas' previous deal with Louisville was personally paid to Rick Pitino.

10/6/2017 12:25:27 PM

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-college-basketball-scandal-20171010-story.html

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"Two people involved in the case, who spoke on the condition they not be identified because of the ongoing legal proceedings, said they expect more college coaches and others involved with grassroots basketball programs to be charged later this month. “This is the tip of the iceberg,” one of them said. One former high-major college coach who retains deep connections in the business said he believes the case will lead to 40 to 50 job openings for head and assistant coaches by the spring."

10/11/2017 9:57:59 AM

Larranaga hit with a grand jury subpoena for texts and emails.

10/18/2017 9:41:01 PM

What is the wisdom of playing a college game against an american team in China? Makes no sense to me.

I get it when pro leagues do it, or even playing against pro teams abroad but why georgia tech?

11/10/2017 3:03:39 AM

Because many large research institutions have sizable international student bodies. If I'm not mistaken, NC State has quite a large number of Chinese graduate students.

11/10/2017 8:00:10 AM

paging shoot

11/10/2017 8:17:26 AM