For a D-lineman, that is average.

The average D lineman has around 6 tackles and maybe a half sack.

9/29/2006 6:56:31 PM

yea, you said pathetic, so i gave some examples of ncsu players that arent pathetic. i didnt say they were doin good, though i would say right now at least 3 are (p.riv., torry, and wilson)

9/29/2006 6:58:41 PM

I can't believe this hasn't been bttt yet.

Mario gets his first sack (1.5, really)

Bush is still doing his thing, but still hasn't scored a TD.

And...go.

10/1/2006 10:54:11 PM

Bush is averaging 3.7 yards per carry. That is not good, especially for a scatback like Bush who cannot run between the tackles.

He has been very average so far this year, and I expect him to wear down as the season goes on.

Drafting Mario at #1 may have been a mistake on the Texans part, but don't act like Reggie Bush is gonna have the impact on football that Jordan had on basketball.

10/2/2006 12:00:03 AM

maybe next week mario can have as many sacks as bush has turnovers

10/2/2006 12:07:26 AM

Quote :

"Maybe if they didn't play pathetic in the NFL, I wouldn't have to."

Have you seen highlight film Jerricho Cotchery catch an amazing TD last week and another this week? Did you miss Adrian Wilson making a 99-yard INT return for a TD? Do you not see Brian Williams being the best cover corner on a good defensive Jaguars team?

10/2/2006 12:15:03 AM

jco had a pretty nice touch down this week as well

10/2/2006 12:20:07 AM

Quote :

"Bush is averaging 3.7 yards per carry. That is not good, especially for a scatback like Bush who cannot run between the tackles."

More like 3.3 after today.

10/2/2006 1:11:29 AM

Again the arguement to be made is not that Mario sucks, or that Bush is the Jordan of football. It's that the Texans made a poor choice drafting Mario #1 Every other team would have drafted Bush #1 so why not trade down or pick Bush and trade him later ala SanDiego with Rivers. Then if Bush busts and Mario turns out to be Reggie White, they saved some money and look like geniuses. THAT is the point of this thread.

10/2/2006 9:49:40 AM

I was at the Panthers Saints game yesterday

Reggie Bush didnt do jack shit

Oh whats that? Mario got a sack and made a game-winning pass deflection? And Houston won the game? Oh ok, just checking

Mario: 1.5 sacks, gw pass deflection, Texans win
Bush: 11 carries for 22 yards, Fumble, Saints loss

Mario: 3
Reggie: 0

10/2/2006 10:34:46 AM

Quote :

"It's that the Texans made a poor choice drafting Mario #1 Every other team would have drafted Bush #1 so why not trade down or pick Bush and trade him later ala SanDiego with Rivers."

Not every team is as idiotic as the Giants.

10/2/2006 10:47:37 AM

It was a good decision to select Mario over Reggie. Think about this they saved money and he didn't hold out. Reggie wanted to be paid for what he is a #2 back in the Saints organization. He held out like Rivers did and for that he is getting second shift duty. Everyone says that Reggie is offering so much to the Saints offense. Well by his own numbers he is getting less and less yards per game, mario is increasing his play level and being moved around to different positions. Playing defensive tackle is not the same as D-end. Reggie isn't being asked to play wide reciver in formations. Let this argument die. At the end of the season look back and see who has done what and who has helped their team improve the most.

10/2/2006 11:10:22 AM

Quote :

"Again the arguement to be made is not that Mario sucks, or that Bush is the Jordan of football. It's that the Texans made a poor choice drafting Mario #1 Every other team would have drafted Bush #1 so why not trade down or pick Bush and trade him later ala SanDiego with Rivers. Then if Bush busts and Mario turns out to be Reggie White, they saved some money and look like geniuses. THAT is the point of this thread."

You don't think the Texans tried to move out of the spot? Hell, the Saints tried to move out of #2 with no luck. The problem is, every other GM in that range was equally privy to their opportunity to get a player that would make a difference on their team, it would just be a matter of who that player was.

And if it means anything, Bush AND Young got a higher dollar value on their contracts. Williams can make no more than $54 million with the Texans. Bush and Young can possibly make $62 and $58 million, respectively.

10/2/2006 11:39:46 AM

10/2/2006 11:59:32 AM

Hey MacTuckIzzle...how'd your boy Reggie Bush do against the Panthers on Sunday? I was at the game but in the upper deck...maybe you saw things more clearly than I did

10/5/2006 12:48:51 PM

Quote :

"Again the arguement to be made is not that Mario sucks, or that Bush is the Jordan of football. It's that the Texans made a poor choice drafting Mario #1 Every other team would have drafted Bush #1 so why not trade down or pick Bush and trade him later ala SanDiego with Rivers. Then if Bush busts and Mario turns out to be Reggie White, they saved some money and look like geniuses. THAT is the point of this thread."

10/5/2006 1:06:22 PM

Bush had 11 carries for 22 yards and a fumble

wow what an amazing game

10/5/2006 1:16:41 PM

Quote :

"Not every team is as idiotic as the Giants."

10/5/2006 1:58:37 PM

Looks like out of tons and tons of points Mac had, he is down to only one.

10/5/2006 3:22:08 PM

Not at all. The arguments still stand.

Its pointless to even argue it on here. Most of you are to blinded by your man love for Mario to look past the facts. Which is expected. Atleast there are a few NCSU fans on here that can admit he wasn't the correct choice at #1.

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 3:25 PM. Reason : .]

10/5/2006 3:24:31 PM

Quote :

"You don't think the Texans tried to move out of the spot? Hell, the Saints tried to move out of #2 with no luck. The problem is, every other GM in that range was equally privy to their opportunity to get a player that would make a difference on their team, it would just be a matter of who that player was."

10/5/2006 3:27:38 PM

Still loving the fact that the guy who drafted Mario got canned. HAHA, can't look past that one.

10/5/2006 3:29:02 PM

Quote :

"Its pointless to even argue it on here"

because its too early to tell

THATS WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING SINCE BEFORE THE PRESEASON

10/5/2006 3:39:42 PM

"Again the arguement to be made is not that Mario sucks, or that Bush is the Jordan of football. It's that the Texans made a poor choice drafting Mario #1 Every other team would have drafted Bush #1 so why not trade down or pick Bush and trade him later ala SanDiego with Rivers. Then if Bush busts and Mario turns out to be Reggie White, they saved some money and look like geniuses. THAT is the point of this thread."

10/5/2006 3:42:02 PM

pete and repeat were sitting on a log...pete fell off...who was left?

10/5/2006 3:45:27 PM

The Bush next to the log because its better.

Like I said, you people are just blinded by your man love for Mario, which is fine. Nothing wrong with that. But when 99% of people dealing with sports say you are wrong, I am gonna go with them over a few obsessed fans on a school message board.

Sure, Mario could turn out to be better than Bush, but that still won't change the fact, that at the time of the draft, he was not the correct pick at #1. It has nothing to do with how they end up turning out, it has to do with who and what they were at the time of the draft.

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 3:48 PM. Reason : .]

10/5/2006 3:46:10 PM

before the draft, it is true that the bush hype could've allowed the texans to move around, still get their guy and perhaps get some additional value along with it, but if they tried to trade away and couldnt, then your point is moot.

10/5/2006 3:48:28 PM

The whole thing got fucked up by them resigning Carr. Why on earth the think he has more potential than Vince Young is beyond me.

10/5/2006 3:49:34 PM

Quote :

"Sure, Mario could turn out to be better than Bush, but that still won't change the fact, that at the time of the draft, he was not the correct pick at #1. It has nothing to do with how they end up turning out, it has to do with who and what they were at the time of the draft."

i like how your argument keeps getting longer and involves more commas and qualifiers now to defend Bush

ps: wtf happened to him versus the Panthers?

10/5/2006 4:00:39 PM

The argument on page one pretty much says all that.

10/5/2006 4:08:21 PM

what about all your arguments about Mario not having a sack and Bush making defenders miss? Cant really stick to those arguments

Mario: 1.5 (sacks)
Reggie: 0 (TDs)

10/5/2006 4:10:31 PM

Shall we post the rookie stats again? Because Mario isn't doing shit in any of them.

ESPN even ripped on him because the sacks he did have were a joke, so if you really wanna get on that subject we can. I was being nice and not bringing it up.

10/5/2006 4:15:12 PM

espn is a joke. whatever happened to lettin rookies develop and giving them at least a season before you start panning them and calling them busts?

10/5/2006 4:20:55 PM

Maybe now you are understanding why it was a bad pick.

10/5/2006 4:23:49 PM

haha....if assinine, premature assessments by the media determine the quality of a draft pick, then the professional sports leagues are screwed.

10/5/2006 4:24:55 PM

Ok, then how about you go interview some Texans' fans and see what they think. Something tells me its gonna be total opposite of what you guys think.

10/5/2006 4:28:46 PM

IN 240 MINUTES OF NFL REGULAR SEASON GAMETIME

HOW MANY POINTS HAS REGGIE BUSH SCORED

i know you're ready to dump your girlfriend and go suck off reggie bush all day, but he hasnt really proven he can be an NFL back...YET

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 4:29 PM. Reason : .]

10/5/2006 4:28:54 PM

Quote :

"Still loving the fact that the guy who drafted Mario got canned. HAHA, can't look past that one."

The manager of the marlins got canned too.

Man that guy must have sucked.

10/5/2006 4:30:50 PM

Quote :

"Ok, then how about you go interview some Texans' fans and see what they think. Something tells me its gonna be total opposite of what you guys think."

haha....if assinine, premature assessments by the fans determine the quality of a draft pick, then the professional sports leagues are screwed.

10/5/2006 4:31:47 PM

Quote :

"IN 240 MINUTES OF NFL REGULAR SEASON GAMETIME HOW MANY POINTS HAS REGGIE BUSH SCORED i know you're ready to dump your girlfriend and go suck off reggie bush all day, but he hasnt really proven he can be an NFL back...YET "

Not the point of this thread. So try again.

10/5/2006 4:35:54 PM

I have decided to never again post my opinion in this thread..... as it is pointless

10/5/2006 4:38:03 PM

At the time of the draft, you can't argue that Bush was the better pick, or even Vince Young.

Bush:

Marketability
Ticket Sales
Jersey Sales
Fan Excitement
Draw Interest to your team
Lots of potential to be a star

Compared to Mario"

Piss of your fan base
Lots of potential to be a star

Now which do you honestly think is the correct choice AT THAT TIME?

10/5/2006 4:38:37 PM

which is why they could've traded around, but if they tried to trade and couldnt, then your point is moot.

10/5/2006 4:39:31 PM

BUSH SURE IS A GREAT NFL PLAYER

UNLESS YOU WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT RETARDED SHIT, LIKE MARKETING

INSTEAD OF FOOTBALL PLAYER PERFORMANCE

10/5/2006 4:40:47 PM

ultimately, it comes down to making your team better. people would rather cheer for a good team than a good player. if it angers your short sighted fans for a couple years, so be it, because if you have a solid plan, your team can turn the corner and people will look back on that pick as the cornerstone. this is all reminiscent of the julius peppers pick for the panthers. whether it turns out to have that impact or not, time will tell. i do agree with tuck that it seems that they could've gotten more value out of the 1st pick and still gotten their guy, but as someone pointed out earlier, they tried and couldnt. if this is true, then they did the best they could.

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 4:44 PM. Reason : .]

10/5/2006 4:43:44 PM

At draft time, Bush clearly had more going for him. Thats the argument.

Not when you are the newest team in the league and you need to attract fans.

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 4:45 PM. Reason : .]

10/5/2006 4:43:52 PM

What's the best way to attract fans?

I'll give you a hint...it's not to draft a flashy punt returner who outran PAC-10 defenses on Saturdays

It's to win games

10/5/2006 4:47:33 PM

Tell that to the Falcons.

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 4:48 PM. Reason : .]

10/5/2006 4:48:26 PM

^^^some would disagree.

charlotte bobcats coulda brought in antwan (sorry i dont know how to spell the guy's name) jamison in the expansion draft just to try to drum up some unc fans' interest in the team, but they decided to go for potential talent. now in year 3, there's talk of the playoffs. whether that'll equal fans remains to be seen, but there are alternative strategies.

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 4:49 PM. Reason : .]

10/5/2006 4:48:52 PM

Vick pretty much single handedly saved that franchise because he is a flashy player and people came in the beginning just to see him.

Being the newest team with a small fan base, thats what the Texans needed. I don't think many of them want to wait around 3-5 years before they have anything worth watching.

[Edited on October 5, 2006 at 4:50 PM. Reason : /]

10/5/2006 4:49:46 PM