any chance of that died when she went to syria

11/14/2017 9:42:35 AM

That article was written long after her trip to Syria which actually resonated with a lot of people. Most americans don't want to fight a war on the side of ISIS and a lot of Americans don't want war at all.

She's lost any chance of getting the neocon vote but if democrats are looking to secure neocons, they've already lost.

11/14/2017 9:16:52 PM

Boom! Now democrats are going to have to ask Franken to resign or look like complete hypocrites.

11/16/2017 11:53:52 AM

Yep. Depending on how many more top level celebrities and people in positions of power fall due to shit like this, we'll likely see an increase in the populist rumblings that got Trump elected, not a decrease.

11/16/2017 11:58:32 AM

democrats were okay with bill, they were okay with how hillary treated his victims... they'll be fine with franken

11/16/2017 12:02:54 PM

I'm not entirely sure in this case. I will say, though, that the picture of him on CNN doesn't appear to be anything more than a joke to me. I'm not sure how you could actually grope someone through a flak jacket...

11/16/2017 12:05:38 PM

yeah, the sleeping woman is totally in on the joke

11/16/2017 12:07:42 PM

I'm not saying it's tasteful. I'm also not saying she wasn't asked to pretend to be asleep and I'm not saying she wasn't actually asleep.

I'm simply saying that from that picture alone, I'm not sure how he was expecting to "cop a feel" through armor. I also don't know why a sitting US Senator would pose for a photo if he wasn't intending for it to be a joke.

Thankfully none of that is up to me to decide legally.

11/16/2017 12:09:25 PM

This is an easy one. Franken needs to step down, Minnesota's Democrat governor appoints Keith Ellison to his seat. As much as I like Franken, he's got no one to blame but himself on this one, and Ellison or another younger Dem from Minnesota will better for the party in the long run.

Also, this should be a reminder why most smart Dems want Biden to stay away from the 2020 Presidential race. Even if there's nothing to them, there's enough pictures of him acting creepy that it's just not worth the risk.

11/16/2017 12:10:40 PM

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"I'm not sure how you could actually grope someone through a flak jacket..."

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"I'm not sure how he was expecting to "cop a feel" through armor"

Exactly. He clearly wasn't touching her (much less groping her)

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"I also don't know why a sitting US Senator would pose for a photo if he wasn't intending for it to be a joke."

He wasn't a Senator until 3 years after this pic was taken.

This is mostly outrage culture with a healthy dose of LOOK AT ME by the "gropee" who is a newscaster



[Edited on November 16, 2017 at 12:26 PM. Reason : VV we are in agreement ]

11/16/2017 12:20:56 PM

she's wearing a grope-proof vest

11/16/2017 12:22:32 PM

^^there is a difference between "touching" and "groping" otherwise every single form of contact would be sexual harassment

also, I believe the bulk of the complaints has to do with an alleged forceful kiss, not the above groping, so that's probably the more important aspect to assess

[Edited on November 16, 2017 at 12:29 PM. Reason : a]

11/16/2017 12:24:28 PM

I don't think he groped her and it's a cringey picture more than anything, but it does suggest he's being demeaning.

But I do think he probably forced a kiss onto her.

However, it's not a pattern of abuse like Weinstein or Moore or Trump or Bill Clinton, yet, but Franken does have some explaining.

11/16/2017 12:38:36 PM

its the worst timing ever. its probably retaliation from the WAPO. We're probably going to see a tsunami of allegations about all sorts of people because you know a lot of these powerful men have done the same sort of shit.

11/16/2017 12:41:06 PM

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"This is mostly outrage culture with a healthy dose of LOOK AT ME by the "gropee" who is a newscaster"

just stop with this

would he have done it if she were awake? seems to be an easy answer.

11/16/2017 12:41:17 PM

^^He's also part of the Senate Judiciary Committee so I'm looking forward to the incessant GOP calls to close down all of the Russian investigation because he's had some involvement with questioning.

[Edited on November 16, 2017 at 12:43 PM. Reason : a]

11/16/2017 12:43:04 PM

I'm not condoning this, but I really don't think this is a big deal. Just like I don't think the Bush Sr. stuff is really a big deal. They should be called-out about it, and hopefully learn a lesson, but it's definitely more sensationalism than substance.

11/16/2017 12:50:24 PM

Just like I said

11/16/2017 12:53:11 PM

what about non-consensual sexual contact is sensationalized?

it’s wrong. it’s as simple as that.

11/16/2017 12:56:49 PM

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"would he have done it if she were awake? seems to be an easy answer"

Answer doesn't matter. In neither case is it sexual assault.

[Edited on November 16, 2017 at 1:05 PM. Reason : He touched a flak jacket not a breast]

11/16/2017 1:04:40 PM

of course it matters, as consent matters

11/16/2017 1:07:30 PM

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" it’s wrong. it’s as simple as that."

No doubt, it's wrong. But it's not a "simple" issue. Some will try to compare it to what Bill Clinton did (like dtownral), and it's not that simple. Some people will try to compare this to what Roy Moore did, and it's not that simple. Some will try to compare it to what Kevin Spacey did, and it's not that simple. Some will try to compare it to what Weinstein did, and it's not that simple..........

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"He touched a flak jacket not a breast"

I don't agree with this. It was done in a "sexual" manner, without consent, even if it just a "joke", even if she was wearing a flak jacket.

[Edited on November 16, 2017 at 1:12 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on November 16, 2017 at 1:15 PM. Reason : ]

11/16/2017 1:09:05 PM

All I can say is that with any crime, context matters. The context of this, at least at the moment, is far different from the context of what Moore is accused of. As such, any repercussions or fallout or legal penalties should be adjusted to reflect the difference in context.

[Edited on November 16, 2017 at 1:12 PM. Reason : spelling]

11/16/2017 1:10:26 PM

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" Answer doesn't matter. In neither case is it sexual assault."

roy moore only touched fabric

11/16/2017 1:12:01 PM

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"It was done in a "sexual" manner, without consent, even if it just a "joke", even if she was wearing a flak jacket. "

Definitely. A sexual manner. It was clearly wrong. It was not assault.

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"Some will try to compare it to what Bill Clinton did (like dtownral), and it's not that simple. Some people will try to compare this to what Roy Moore did, and it's not that simple. Some will try to compare it to what Kevin Spacey did, and it's not that simple. Some will try to compare it to what Weinstein did, and it's not that simple"

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"The context of this, at least at the moment, is far different from the context of what Moore is accused of. As such, any repercussions or fallout or legal penalties should be adjusted to reflect the difference in context."

100%. It's ridiculous that the default knee jerk response is BURN HIS LIFE DOWN. Context matters.

[Edited on November 16, 2017 at 1:22 PM. Reason : lol fabric = a flak jacket good try. knew it was coming]

11/16/2017 1:16:24 PM

I think he's being accused of harassment, not assault.

11/16/2017 1:19:47 PM

She accused him of groping her. That's assault.

[Edited on November 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM. Reason : http://www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/]

11/16/2017 1:20:47 PM

Keep it up Dems. Your hypocrisy is delicious.

Already circling the wagons on Franken. He should resign yesterday.

11/16/2017 1:28:17 PM

^lol, says the blatant hypocrite who recently praised trump because of unemployment numbers, but was called-out for criticizing obama for unemployment numbers because "people dropped out of the work force and were unaccounted for". delicious.

Do you care to explain the "hypocrisy"? Is it because some aren't reacting the same way to this as they are to Moore's numerous allegations of pedophilia?

[Edited on November 16, 2017 at 1:34 PM. Reason : ]

11/16/2017 1:30:52 PM

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"blatant hypocrite resident hypocrite in chief "

11/16/2017 1:33:26 PM

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"Do you care to explain the "hypocrisy"? Is it because some aren't reacting the same way to this as they are to Moore's numerous allegations of pedophilia? "

Maybe just look at the responses on this page. But honestly, who cares what a few schmucks on TWW have to say. Already, Democrats are trying to sweep this under the rug. Franken admitted it himself! He needs to resign.

11/16/2017 1:44:18 PM

So Donald Trump also needs to resign, right?

11/16/2017 1:48:07 PM

You didn't answer my question, guy (much like you couldn't answer why you praised one president for the same thing you criticized another for), unless you're trying to say the hypocrisy is because people aren't reacting the same way to this as they are to Moore's numerous allegations of pedophilia. So you seem to be equating this to pedophilia. Hypocritical schmuck.

11/16/2017 1:48:36 PM

Schumer and Franken have already called for ethics investigations. Compare that to the obfuscation and victim attacks by the GOP on accusers.

Conservatives are desperate AF to get anything to stick to anyone else right now. Sad!

11/16/2017 1:50:44 PM

^I've not seen one Republican Senator or Congressman defend Moore. They are all calling for him to drop out of the race.

What is there to investigate? Franken has admitted that it happened. An investigation just sweeps this under the rug, and the Democrats know it.

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"So Donald Trump also needs to resign, right?"

Anyone who sexually assaults another person should not be in a position of power. This is not a hard or controversial issue.

11/16/2017 1:59:29 PM

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"I've not seen one Republican Senator or Congressman defend Moore"

Have you seen one defend Franken on this? And do you think this is the same as molesting numerous children?

11/16/2017 2:03:50 PM

“well at least he didn’t grope children” is gross and needs to stop

11/16/2017 2:14:44 PM

That sort of black-and-white reasoning is usually utilized by conservatives.

It's wrong, I'd never do it, I condemn Franken and anyone who thinks it's ok, but I don't think it's as baig a deal as molesting children or raping someone. It's gross if you think it is.

11/16/2017 2:25:03 PM

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"I've not seen one Republican Senator or Congressman defend Moore."

Senator Wicker (MS-R)

http://m.msnewsnow.com/story/36817894/sen-roger-wicker-reacts-to-roy-moore-allegations

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"But they're very very old charges," added Senator Wicker. "You have to ask and I think people in Alabama will be asking why this hasn't come out in the 40 years time with him running for so many offices." ...... "It really shouldn't have surprised anybody that I would be there supporting the Republican nominee to try to keep that seat out of Chuck Schumer's hands," noted Wicker. .... "I hope the truth will come out and I'm sure it probably will," Wicker explained. "I just have no idea where the truth is in these allegations. I know they're very very old." "

11/16/2017 2:25:57 PM

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"“If they believe this man is predatory, they are guilty of allowing him to exist for 40 years. I think someone should prosecute and go after them. You can’t be a victim 40 years later, in my opinion,” Henry told the Cullman Times. Henry does not actually believe the allegations, however. “I’m not buying it,” he said. “It’s too easy for someone to make these accusations.”"

https://shareblue.com/you-cant-be-a-victim-40-years-later-alabama-rep-wants-roy-moores-victims-prosecuted/

11/16/2017 2:27:51 PM

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"Have you seen one defend Franken on this? And do you think this is the same as molesting numerous children?"

Yes, I've seen one say Tweeden was a playboy playmate, and context matters when a woman is assaulted. But the fact that no one is calling for him to resign is all the coverage he needs.

Where did I compare this to Moore? Can you stop your rationalization of sexual assault?

[Edited on November 16, 2017 at 2:31 PM. Reason : And now a second accuser has come forward.]

11/16/2017 2:30:22 PM

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"and context matters when a woman is assaulted."

You should probably read the entire statements you cherry pick here. Context matters with respect to the punishments, not with respect to whether a law was broken.

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"All I can say is that with any crime, context matters. The context of this, at least at the moment, is far different from the context of what Moore is accused of. As such, any repercussions or fallout or legal penalties should be adjusted to reflect the difference in context. "

And yes, it is fair to say that one is less appalling than another. It's literally the reason we have different types of homicide.

[Edited on November 16, 2017 at 2:45 PM. Reason : a]

11/16/2017 2:43:27 PM

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"but I don't think it's as baig a deal as molesting children or raping someone. It's gross if you think it is."

who has attempted to make this argument?

the only reason to bring up the Roy Moore situation in regards to this situation is to attempt to downplay what Franken is accused of doing.

11/16/2017 2:47:42 PM

I only brought up Moore because of Republican/Conservatives like HCH who are trying to score political points by pointing out the "hypocrisy" of democrats/leftist/liberals/whatevers, and I assume they must be referring to the Moore allegations and the reactions to that.

11/16/2017 2:58:58 PM

Moore should step aside and Franken should step down. Enough of this crap already.

11/16/2017 3:01:50 PM

^Finally a voice of reason.


(hows the Californian succession from the US going?)

11/16/2017 3:46:05 PM

The third, fourth and ninth posts on this page were voices of reason as well.

California's succession to what? Or do you mean secession?

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-russian-bot-pushed-calexit-movement-20171102-htmlstory.html

http://mashable.com/2017/11/07/calexit-texit-russia-internet-research-agency/#bdna4YCBcZqO

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/356522-bannon-warns-california-may-try-to-secede

And now for a credible post regarding California and secession: http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/356598-becerra-on-question-about-secession-california-is-economic-engine-of-us

[Edited on November 16, 2017 at 3:53 PM. Reason : a]

11/16/2017 3:51:32 PM

^^ You do realize that plenty of other "libs" feel exactly the same way I do and think sexual assault/harassment/rape/etc are disgusting regardless of who commits it, right? YOU are the one trying to call Dems hypocrites when plenty of people are disgusted and outraged.

^ https://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=648228

It's filled with trolling from multiple angles, but I enjoyed it for what it was worth.

11/16/2017 4:07:19 PM

Oh man I had no clue this was a thread. I hope I can make my way through it hahaha.

11/16/2017 4:12:55 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/360726-stone-appeared-to-know-franken-allegation-was-coming

If Roger Stone was involved, I'm immediately skeptical as fuck. Bring on the investigation.

11/16/2017 5:25:38 PM